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DOOMSDAY Preppers vs. DISASTER Preppers - What We Have Here Is A Failure To Communicate
Emergency Management ^ | December 2, 2012 | Valerie Lucus-McEwen

Posted on 12/05/2012 7:58:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A few days ago, I posted this blog: Doomsday Preppers are Socially Selfish. The role of a blogger is to foment discussion an it certainly appears that’s what I did. I very much appreciated most of the 150+ comments – except perhaps the ones that called me ‘stupid’, ‘nuts, ‘arrogant’, ‘ignorant’ – and a few personal emails that were much more graphic.

I wrote this for the emergency management community, who pretty much misunderstood what I was saying. Social media is certainly powerful and I had no idea this would be so controversial.

FIRST .. let me offer a heartfelt apology. The title of that blog was misleading because there is a difference between DOOMSDAY Preppers and DISASTER Preppers. My sister, Marilyn, is a great example of a Disaster Prepper – although she calls it stocking up while working with her community. I asked her what the difference was and she said Disaster Preppers want to prepare for a prolonged power outage (all to common these days), while Doomsday Preppers are preparing for half the world to be destroyed.

For the record, I was a practicing emergency manager for over 20 years before I retired last year. The words 'All Disasters Are Local' are permanently inscribed on my brain. I would NEVER discourage or disparage work being done in communities as part of CERT or any other volunteer group. Those are the folks who are going to save the world. I can also unequivocally state (and I don’t know an emergency manager who would disagree with me) that NOBODY should expect help from their government during the first few weeks of any major disaster. The issues we saw in Katrina and Sandy (among others) only confirm it. The people who needed help right away were the ones who didn’t prepare...

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KEYWORDS: apocalypse; disaster; fema; preppers; survival
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1 posted on 12/05/2012 7:58:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wonder how that crow tastes, and if it's cold.

/johnny

2 posted on 12/05/2012 8:00:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is against the law to be the little red hen or the hard working ant...

We are living in the animal farm of the lazy grasshoppers...


3 posted on 12/05/2012 8:06:28 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How is it selfish to be storing food and medicine for an emergency? I have to be storing it for my entire community, otherwise not at all?

This author seems more like a liberal do-gooder to me. And makes no sense.

Whether I prep because there might be an earthquake or financial collapse, the end result is the same. I’m ready, no matter what scenario plays out.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 8:08:30 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is PURE CYA

She probably will never actually tell us what is selfish about preparing for troubled times.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 8:10:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: yorkiemom
What you are, is not a burden on emergency services. Some of us thank you for that. Some, of course, condemn you for it.

/johnny

6 posted on 12/05/2012 8:12:00 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: yorkiemom

survival of the human race doesn’t mean saving the entire membership of the species. Just enough to carry on.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 8:12:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She’s right on target.


8 posted on 12/05/2012 8:14:33 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The title of that blog was misleading because there is a difference between DOOMSDAY Preppers and DISASTER Preppers.

Yea, just like there's a difference between a storm and a tempest. *rollseyes*

9 posted on 12/05/2012 8:15:20 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: GeronL
survival of the human race doesn’t mean saving the entire membership of the species. Just enough to carry on.

And if I'm sharing my stockpiles, I get to chose who carries on. ie., NO Obama voters - I'd like to raise the IQ of gene pool.
10 posted on 12/05/2012 8:16:05 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Yardstick

This woman is insane. This is a CYA to another article she wrote.

Preppers are selfish? -BOGUS

Preppers hurt others?? That is insane.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 8:24:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Second Civil War File.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 8:25:03 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hahahha, this woman is a commie/thug/thief If I’ve ever read/heard one.

I read the entire thing, all comments, etc.

She wouldn’t bat an eye to jack your well planned supplies to give to thugs and idiots.

Also, she even admits in one post that “of course I’ll be taken care of, I have a government post to help other losers” (paraphrased).

I mean, these people really do think we are stupid like their followers.

I think the real mind blow for people like her is that there are so many people not so stupid as to buy into her commie crap hook line and sinker.

Phsaw!

And I hate this “old-white-angry man” meme (tangent). I’m white and 30 (hardly old), and not really “Angry” so much as terribly disappointed in my fellow countrymen.

This country simply can’t survive united, it gets clearer every day.

WHY does everyone insist on sticking together? What is in it for each group?

We can be separate and still engage in trade and resource mixing, just like we do with China, now.

bleh.

Bring on the calamity!


13 posted on 12/05/2012 8:33:12 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Let's settle somewhere new?~ I'm thinking places people call "blue".)
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To: GeronL

The selfishness of the doomsday preppers is real but is harmless because the scenarios in which they get to play out their selfishness will never come to pass. They’re harmless in the same way that the rapture crowd is harmless. The rapturists fantasize about airliners full of unbelieving doubters getting their just comeuppance when the Christian pilot is raptured out the cockpit. But it ain’t never gonna happen. Likewise the doomsday preppers look forward to the day when the doubters are either herded into FEMA stadiums or are forced to beg at the doorstep of the doomsdayers’ hidey holes for a few C-ration crumbs. But again, it’s never going to happen. What will happen is what the lady who wrote this piece describes: the local community will rally to meet needs. The doomsday crowd is correct only to the extent that the more people have stocked away some supplies, the less difficult will be the work of the community.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 8:43:09 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick; GeronL
Projection..... tiptoes away....

/johnny

15 posted on 12/05/2012 8:59:49 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm...

Preparations for a social collapse or disaster: non-perishable foodstuffs, water (and water purification equipment), medications and bandages, firearms and ammunition, firewood and facilities to use it for heating and cooking, . . .

Preparations for doomsday: rightly confessing faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ, baptism and chrismation, repentance and confession of sins, prayer, fasting, vigils, frequent reception of the Holy Mysteries, . . .


16 posted on 12/05/2012 9:00:56 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah, we’ve been through this before, twinkletoes.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 9:05:55 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Actually, I suspect that the community will confiscate “excess food” for the “community good”. Which is why advertising that you’re a prepper is incredibly stupid. . .


18 posted on 12/05/2012 9:06:40 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Salgak

Right. That’s why doomsdayers need to practice good “OpSec”. You don’t want the zombies to know about your stash.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 9:10:36 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Because you conflate preparation with disaster.

I prepare to live. Regardless of the circumstances.

Just like great grandma did.

You want to make out that preppers on FR are evil.

Guess what?

I don't have fantasies about disasters.

You might have fantasies about people you imagine might dream about disaster.... but that's several removes from reality.

/johnny

20 posted on 12/05/2012 9:12:38 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You know I’m right about the prepper community’s nutty doomsday tendencies.

Last time you even admitted it was silly — I think you used the word “idiotic” — to prep for some improbable SHTF fantasy. I’m with you 100% that it makes sense to stock up a few weeks worth of supplies so you’re not screwed when the next flood or tornadoe or regional power outage comes. But that’s as far as I’ll go with it.

To say the prepper community isn’t caught up with fantasy BS is to ignore all the SHTF junk they write about day in and day out.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 9:20:21 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

You seem as obsessed with it as most anyone else, I’m sure glad that I do long term prepping, it has sure helped my the last couple of years.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 9:25:04 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Valerie Lucus-McEwen”

I live by the rule “Never trust a woman with a hyphenated name”. It’s never steered me wrong either.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 9:29:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Yardstick
How far is too far? I've got a years worth of coffee now. I'm thinking of buying two more, given the conditions. Is that crazy? Should I be flogged?

/johnny

24 posted on 12/05/2012 9:36:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

There is no bright line but that doesn’t mean there isn’t such a thing as too far. You know this. That’s why you acklowledged a distinction last time.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 9:39:25 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Ping me back to that thread, then. Twinkletoes.

/johnny

26 posted on 12/05/2012 9:40:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

What Stash ??? We’re Extreme Couponers, not Preppers. . .


27 posted on 12/05/2012 9:42:17 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Here you go.

Here's your post (my comment in italics):

What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

Anyone that does that is an idiot.

In my area, most likely threats are tornados, damaging straight line winds, wildfires, and personal financial events.

Those preps also work for someone in an earthquake zone, or a hurricane, or a blizzard.

I'm not prepping for earthquakes, I'm prepping for tornados, but if the New Madrid goes off (unlikely, in my lifetime), the tornado preps cover me.

/johnny


28 posted on 12/05/2012 9:52:17 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author makes reference to Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. The first lines (inside the front cover) of the paperback version I read are as follows:The chances that Lucifer's Hammer [a comet] would hit the earth head-on were one in a million. Then one in a thousand. The one in a hundred. And then...

The book may be a work of fiction, but the premise is not that far fetched. Today, astronomers are aware of a Potentially Hazardous Asteroid (PHA) labeled 2012 DA14 which will miss the earth by less than 25,000 miles or approximately one tenth of the distance between the earth and the moon. Granted, this PHA is not a comet and is a rather small asteroid measuring about 60 yards wide. If it were to hit the earth the impact would be equivalent to a 2.4 megaton nuclear bomb. The resulting crater could be about a mile wide and 500 feet deep. The date of the upcoming close encounter is February 15, 2013. Hypothetically speaking, what is the possibility that if it were to hit the earth, scientists would have the faintest idea exactly where or when the impact would occur? Even if they knew (or guessed) the location of ground zero, what are the odds the local or federal governments would have any ability to prepare for the event or react to the devastation after the fact? I'm not confident.

29 posted on 12/05/2012 9:56:01 PM PST by immadashell
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To: Yardstick
I don't see any problem with that. Anyone prepping for the end of the mayan calander or Yellowstone going off (except for some folks in Balknour) is crazy.

Prepping for WWIII? Or CWII? Maybe not so much.

/johnny

30 posted on 12/05/2012 10:00:00 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
I don't understand why you have no problem preparing for an imaginary serious disaster but are unable to consider a scenario just one single step further leading to a total societal meltdown. If you acknowledge that there are circumstances where government, police, fire, grocery stores, gas stations, power companies, and water systems cease to function why is it so hard to imagine a doomsday panic? How many weeks do you think people will happily share community resources until things turn ugly? I dunno!

Your unwillingness to entertain the idea that one more domino could fall.... Well, to me that sounds like believing in the Easter Bunny while denying the existence of Santa. But what do I know? :p

31 posted on 12/05/2012 10:02:21 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Okay, and now I want to see you say that prepping for a SHTF scenario, as generally understood by the prepper community, is crazy.


32 posted on 12/05/2012 10:03:21 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: immadashell
Hypothetically speaking, what is the possibility that if it were to hit the earth, scientists would have the faintest idea exactly where or when the impact would occur? Even if they knew (or guessed) the location of ground zero, what are the odds the local or federal governments would have any ability to prepare for the event

Not hypothecially speaking... the last time a large enough object was detected early enough, it was filmed from aircraft as it fell, and picked up after it fell.

Them math guys... They know when and where stuff meets atmosphere.

/johnny

33 posted on 12/05/2012 10:03:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
Okay, and now I want to see you say that prepping for a SHTF scenario, as generally understood by the prepper community,

You got some serious control issues going on...

First. Get the prepper community to define SHTF. I've said mine. Oct 2008 market crash.

/johnny

34 posted on 12/05/2012 10:07:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Uh huh. You dodged it. Speaks volumes.

Have a good evening.


35 posted on 12/05/2012 10:08:31 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Pretty much misunderstood what I was saying”

Anymore when I read those words, whether from Zero, Costas or whomever, my first thought is, now there’s some great rhetoric: “You were too stupid to comprehend my meaning.”


36 posted on 12/05/2012 10:11:28 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Boogieman
I live by the rule “Never trust a woman with a hyphenated name”. It’s never steered me wrong

Word to that. As soon as I see one using a hyphenated name, they go on my 'do not communicate with' list.

37 posted on 12/05/2012 10:12:52 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Yardstick
Didn't dodge anything, control guy.

I said my personal SHTF mark is the market crash of 2008.

You are the one that had the 'generally understood' thing going on.

You have a great evening.

And remember, out here, somewhere, somone is doing something you don't like.

/johnny

38 posted on 12/05/2012 10:13:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Individual Rights in NJ said: "WHY does everyone insist on sticking together? What is in it for each group?"

Every communist nation that ever existed has built walls to keep their people from escaping. The need for these walls is because the people who are more productive know that they will be better off outside the walls rather than inside.

For the same reason, those who support socialism realize that no productive person who could, say, leave Kalifornia and move to Texas if the nation split up, would stay in Kalifornia. The socialists cannot afford to have the nation split up.

Many posters on this thread seem to be blind to what is happening in Greece and, more importantly, what is yet to happen.

There is simply not enough wealth in the world to do that which the socialists among us have promised to do. This reality is slowly being recognized.

Another poster on this thread points out that there is a limit to just how long productive people are going to be willing to be "fair" to those who expect themselves to be supported. I predict an UNCIVIL WAR.

39 posted on 12/05/2012 10:27:42 PM PST by William Tell
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To: GeronL
This is PURE CYA

I would say she isn't CYA-ing at all. It sounds more like she is doubling down on her own stupidity:

Selfish is defined as concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself, seeking or concentrating on one’s own advantage or well being without regard for others. By that definition, Doomsday Preppers are socially selfish – Disaster Preppers are not.

40 posted on 12/05/2012 10:39:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Yardstick
Actually, after contemplation... It's you who is dodging defining SHTF. So define. Or dodge.

/johnny

41 posted on 12/05/2012 10:42:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Salgak
Actually, I suspect that the community will confiscate “excess food” for the “community good”.

Yep, and Ms. Hyphenated-Name is just doling out the standard patter to soften up anyone who would strenuously object. Only, things don't seem to be working according to plan right now. Preparedness takes many forms :)

But, of course, the patter would work once amplified by demagogy if the S really hits the F. Sadly, the demagogy will largely broadcast what already lurks in the heart of many men.

42 posted on 12/06/2012 12:39:13 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what the hell is it her concern why people plan for whatever level of problem they think could occur?

not everyone preps for the same reasons, and not everyone plans as long or as detailed as’others. you do what you can, you plan for what you feel you need to, and if you want to keep going, you do.


43 posted on 12/06/2012 12:57:22 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
This country simply can’t survive united, it gets clearer every day.

WHY does everyone insist on sticking together? What is in it for each group?


It's no different than the Euro concept. All the countries either fail together or succeed together. So the more successful countries are forced to prop up the losers.
44 posted on 12/06/2012 8:37:32 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
This country simply can’t survive united, it gets clearer every day.

WHY does everyone insist on sticking together? What is in it for each group?


It's no different than the Euro concept. All the countries either fail together or succeed together. So the more successful countries are forced to prop up the losers.
45 posted on 12/06/2012 8:37:32 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Yardstick
The selfishness of the doomsday preppers is real but is harmless because the scenarios in which they get to play out their selfishness will never come to pass.

Selfish? You're as bad as the socialist author.

If every time you go to the grocery store, you only buy food for your family and not the entire neighborhood, then you are being 'selfish'. Everything you do must be for the common good, after all.
46 posted on 12/06/2012 8:46:51 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: William Tell
Every communist nation that ever existed has built walls to keep their people from escaping. The need for these walls is because the people who are more productive know that they will be better off outside the walls rather than inside.

For the same reason, those who support socialism realize that no productive person who could, say, leave Kalifornia and move to Texas if the nation split up, would stay in Kalifornia. The socialists cannot afford to have the nation split up.

Many posters on this thread seem to be blind to what is happening in Greece and, more importantly, what is yet to happen.

There is simply not enough wealth in the world to do that which the socialists among us have promised to do. This reality is slowly being recognized.

Another poster on this thread points out that there is a limit to just how long productive people are going to be willing to be "fair" to those who expect themselves to be supported. I predict an UNCIVIL WAR.


Excellent post. And exactly why I am prepping. And have found other intelligent, conservative, productive people to be around if/when the time comes. The ignorant Obama-voter socialist masses will have to fend for themselves.
47 posted on 12/06/2012 8:53:02 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Yardstick

Well one event you haven’t considered is a solar-orbit asteroid or low-magnitude comet impact approaching from the sun, ala the Tanguska impact. No one saw that coming since it approached from the sun.

SOHO might pick it up but radar systems eventually would.

All of a suddent lots of people are leaving Washington and the news networks reporters are all low-level subs or go to taped programming. That’s how you’ll know. And you won’t have time to make a trip to the stores you’re completely dependent upon.

I know from comet Lee in 1999 that if there’s any reason to be concerned Americans will be the absolute last to be informed.


48 posted on 12/06/2012 9:32:49 AM PST by Justa
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To: Yardstick

“The selfishness of the doomsday preppers is real”

Define ‘selfish’. You talk too stupid to know the meaning of the word without distoring the definition like a liberal. So, go ahead. Give your best liberal try.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 7:14:52 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Yardstick
"...tornadoe..."

Dan, is that you?

50 posted on 12/08/2012 7:15:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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