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War is the Answer
Sultan Knish ^ | November 21, 2012 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:41:38 AM PST by expat1000

For the last hundred years the best and brightest of the civilized world have been engaged in the business of peace. In the days before the Nobel Peace Prize became a joke, it was expected that scientific progress would lead to moral progress. Nations would accept international laws and everyone would get together to replace wars with international conferences.

Instead technological progress just gave us better ways to kill each other. There have been few innovations in the moral technology of global harmony since Immanuel Kant's "Perpetual Peace" laid out a plan to grant world citizenship to all refugees and outlaw all armies, invasions and atrocities with the whole shebang would be overseen by a League of Nations.

That was in 1795 and Kant's plan was at least more reasonable than anything we have two-hundred years later today because it at least set out to limit membership in this body to free republics. If we had done that with the United Nations, it could conceivably have become something resembling a humane organization. Instead it's a place where the dictators of the world stop by to give speeches about human rights for a show that's funnier than anything you could find eight blocks away at the Broadway Comedy Club.

Since the League of Nations folded, the warring peoples of the world have added the atom bomb, the suicide bomber, the jet plane, the remotely guided missile, the rape squad, the IED, the child soldier and the stealth fighter to their arsenals. And the humanitarians have murdered a few billion trees printing out more useless treaties, conventions and condemnations; more dead trees than accounted for by every piece of human literature written until the 19th Century.

There is no moral technology to prevent war. Or rather war is the moral technology, that when properly applied, ensures peace.

The humanitarians had gone down a dead end by trying to create perpetual peace by outlawing war, but the peace-shouters who wear their inverted Mercedes Logo don't really want peace, some of them reflexively hate war for sentimental reasons, but their leaders and most committed activists don't hate war, they hate the people who win the wars.

The plan for perpetual peace is really a plan for perpetual war. It necessitates that the civilized nations who heed its call amass overwhelming quantities of firepower as deterrents against war, which they will pledge to never use because if the threat of destroying the world isn't enough, their bluff will be called and they will fold. And if they don't fold, then the world will be destroyed because the humanitarians said that peace was better than war.

It also necessitates that the actual wars that they fight be as limited as possible by applying precision technology to kill only actual armed enemy combatants while minimizing collateral damage. And that humanitarian objective also necessitates that the other side reply with a counter-objective of making it as hard as possible to kill them without also killing civilians.

The humanitarian impulse makes the anti-humanitarian impulse inevitable. The more precisely we try to kill terrorists, the more ingeniously the terrorists blend into the civilian population and employ human shields. The more we try not to kill civilians, the more civilians we are forced to kill. That is the equal and opposite reaction of the humanitarian formula.

In Afghanistan, the Rules of Engagement were overhauled to minimize Afghan civilian casualties. This was so successful that not only did the casualty rate for American soldiers dramatically increase because they were not allowed to fire unless they were being fired at, but the number of Afghan civilian casualties killed by American forces also fell dramatically. It was a great triumph. But sadly the number of Afghan civilians killed by the Taliban increased dramatically and more than made up for the shortfall.

When the Taliban have won the war, the number of civilian casualties will be tremendous once Obama pulls the troops out and the cheerful bearded boys march into Kabul and start killing every woman who can read. But it was still a better thing than the unacceptable levels of civilian casualties under Bush. It was a better thing that the Taliban have free reign to kill as many Afghans as they want than that American soldiers should have been able to fight the Taliban without the humanitarian handcuffs.

Because sometimes you have to destroy the village to save the village, and that is true whether it's American planes bombing a terrorist hideout or humanitarians letting the Taliban take the village and kill every tenth woman in it.

And yet for all this monumental effort, for all the soldiers dead because they weren't sure if the man planting an IED in the road was a terrorist or just a decent upstanding poppy farmer checking the soil composition, for all the Afghan civilians killed by the moral technology of inaction, your unfriendly neighborhood peace-shouter is about as satisfied as a cannibal at a vegan banquet. Give him, her or it five valuable minutes of your time and it will begin shrieking about drone strikes, kill lists and the murderous rampage of a technology that is as far from Shock and Awe as you could possibly imagine without going completely Gandhi. If anything it hates drone strikes more than it hates Hiroshima. Mass killing justifies its smug contempt for the machinery of war, but anything that smacks of an attempt to moralize warfare challenges its principles and urges it on to greater displays of outrage.

Israel, in the name of peace, turned over the lives of millions of people to the control of a terrorist organization which taught their children to believe that their highest purpose in life was to die while killing Israelis.

The Oslo Accords turned stone-throwers into shooters and suicide bombers. It allowed the kind of people that most of Israel's Muslim neighbors had locked up and thrown away the key to, inside the country and gave them charge of the economy and the youth. Every peace dove, every peace song, every peace agreement, made the rivers of blood that followed not only inevitable, but mandatory.

For decades, every time that Israel was on the verge of finishing off the terrorists, there came a call for a ceasefire or a peace agreement. The call was heeded and the violence continued because all the peace agreements and ceasefires were just prolonged unfinished wars. They were a game of baseball that never ended because no home run was ever scored. Instead the New York Yankees were being forced to play the Martyrs of Muslimtown for thirty years with the umpire stepping in every time the hometown team was on the verge of winning the game. Each peace agreement did not mean peace, it meant that the Muslimtown Martyrs would have another few years to go on killing and being killed.

Peace meant that the war would never end. Instead of perpetual peace, it made for perpetual war.

In 1992 Israel deported 400 Hamas terrorists. It didn't kill them, lock them up or bake them into a pie. All it did was kick them out of a country they didn't recognize and closed the door behind them. That deportation became the leading human rights cause of the day. The UN issued a unanimous resolution condemning the deportation. The Red Cross brought them blankets. Newsweek accused Israel of "Deporting the Hope for Peace."

And so Israel took the 400 Hamas terrorists, the hope for peace, back. Over the next 20 years they shed rivers of blood and rivers of blood were shed because of them. There was never any peace with them and they made peace impossible.

But the humanitarians had gotten their way, as they always got their way, and their way was the blown up bus and the shattered cafeteria, the burning building and the suicide bomber making his way through a crowded mall, the child's mother lovingly tying on his martyr costume complete with Alfred Nobel's great invention, the jet plane releasing its cargo of bombs and the television screaming for war. But all these were far better than that 400 Hamas terrorists should sniffle into their Red Cross supplied cups of dark coffee on the hills of Lebanon.

To those who croon to that old Lennon song, peace is always better than war, and good intentions lead to good results. The only way forward is to keep extending your hand to the enemy and doing it over and over again no matter how much effort the doctors have to put into stitching it back together again after the last handshake.

Peace is still better than war. It is better that Israel and Hamas fight escalating mini-wars every 3 years than that Israel finish off Hamas once and for all. That price wasn't worth paying 20 years ago when all it meant was that 400 terrorists would have been forced to get jobs slinging Halal hash in Lebanese Hashish joints. It certainly isn't worth it today.

A flock of peace doves wings to Israel with proposals for engaging Hamas. But it's Israel that is supposed to figure out a way to live with its explosive bride. All the proposals call for some gradual process by which Hamas will be courted, engaged and weaned off terror to become an upstanding member of the international community. And that's all well and good if you have soy for brains.

Hamas is not interested in being engaged. Its goal is the destruction of Israel. This isn't posturing, it's not sullen resentment over being blockaded by Israel or outrage over the latest round of fighting. This is the essential ideology of Hamas, derived from the core Islamic principles over the proper role of non-Muslims in the Muslim world. It is not interested in a two-state solution, job creation programs or any of the meaningless shiny toys that diplomats wave when they arrive in the region. Its goal is to make Islam supreme over all other systems by destroying a non-Muslim state in what it considers to be Muslim territory.

Perpetual peace was not made for such conflicts. Peace was made for reasonable people who are willing to give and take. It was not made for those who only take.

Peacemaking is not a policy, it is a religion that we are all obligated to believe in. It is an immoral moral principle that ends in war. Peacemaking in the World War II cost more lives than Hitler could have ever taken on his own. Peacemaking in the War on Terror has cost a hundred times more lives than the terrorists could have ever taken on their own.

The business of peace is the industry of death. Behind the peace sign is a field of flowers with a grave for every one. Behind the peace agreement and the ceasefire is another war that will be worse than the last.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; peace; peacemaking; war

1 posted on 11/22/2012 4:41:43 AM PST by expat1000
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2 posted on 11/22/2012 4:44:14 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Excellent.

I might add that the “peaceniks” were responsible for the Vietnam war lasting 11 YEARS instead of 11 MONTHS.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 4:52:59 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: expat1000

Truces and ceasefires don’t bring peace, only total victory in war brings peace.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 4:53:08 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yup, if we fought WW2 like Israel is fighting Hamas/Iran..et. al. we would still be at war with the Empire of Japan.


5 posted on 11/22/2012 4:54:51 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: expat1000
"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."

~ William T. Sherman

6 posted on 11/22/2012 5:01:33 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Bobalu

We won WWII because we snuffed out the enemy’s ability - and WILL - to continue.

How is it that, since WWII, OUR will to continue has consistently been snuffed out?

Sorry. Rhetorical question.


7 posted on 11/22/2012 5:08:16 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

War is s simple equation: The winner is the side willing to inflict more damage than the other side is willing to accept.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 5:19:51 AM PST by ozdragon
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To: expat1000

“In the days before the Nobel Peace Prize became a joke”

Yep, it’s a political Crackerjacks prize. Not surprising in that the Swedes sat out WWII, being `neutral’ and above it all, while selling their iron ore to the Nazis.


9 posted on 11/22/2012 5:22:02 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: left that other site
So very VERY true.

In 1964 LBJ won the Presidential Election because Goldwater wanted to bomb North Vietnam back to the Stone Age via B-52 strikes.

Eight years and a month later President Nixon effectively ended the conflict when he sent the B-52s north to bomb North Vietnam back to the Stone Age. And how many of the 58,000 men on the wall died in those eight years? How many civilians all over SEA died? Now many Vietnamese military, South and North, died?

PS - my very liberal college professor uncle and godfather no longer talks about Vietnam with me any more. What a DEAL!!

10 posted on 11/22/2012 5:22:16 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: expat1000

Please add me to the Sultan Knish ping list. He is rapidly moving into my elite echelon of must-reads. Now off to see what Mona Charen thinks...


11 posted on 11/22/2012 5:22:36 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez

>>Please add me to the Sultan Knish ping list. He is rapidly moving into my elite echelon of must-reads. Now off to see what Mona Charen thinks...

Welcome to the Sultan Knish/Daniel Greenfield ping list!


12 posted on 11/22/2012 5:26:13 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

The Sultan is sounding like a Saint.

...and that’s a good thing.

The word Peace has been bastardized just like the word “gay”.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 5:28:59 AM PST by wita
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To: expat1000

Basic rule of all societies has been when negotiation and discussion do not solve the problem, war is the only alternative. Winner of the war writes the history!


14 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:06 AM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: Nip

Since George W. Bush was very young at the time, it is difficult to BLAME the Vietnam War on him.

So why even bother talking about it? /sarcasm.


15 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:30 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: expat1000
Who is responsible for creating this travesty:

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16 posted on 11/22/2012 5:42:33 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: expat1000
There is no moral technology to prevent war. Or rather war is the moral technology, that when properly applied, ensures peace.

The only reason I would ever "turn the other cheek" is so that you can kiss it!

To the Sea, Israel, to the sea.

Life belongs to the strong.

17 posted on 11/22/2012 5:48:38 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: tumblindice
Yep, it’s a political Crackerjacks prize. Not surprising in that the Swedes sat out WWII, being `neutral’ and above it all, while selling their iron ore to the Nazis.

One of those Swedes nominated Hitler in 1938. Stalin was nominated twice after that.

18 posted on 11/22/2012 5:58:52 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: expat1000
Instead the New York Yankees were being forced to play the Martyrs of Muslimtown for thirty years with the umpire stepping in every time the hometown team was on the verge of winning the game. Each peace agreement did not mean peace, it meant that the Muslimtown Martyrs would have another few years to go on killing and being killed.

Using an excellent metaphor such as this may just penetrate a few thick heads. The unfortunate thing is that people who need to understand it are not likely to read it in the first place.

19 posted on 11/22/2012 6:32:49 AM PST by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: expat1000
War is Cruelty, There is no use trying to reform it. The Curler it is the sooner it will be over.-William Tecumseh Sherman

"The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility"-British Sea Lord John Fisher.

Only Complete and Total Victory brings lasting peace.-Me

20 posted on 11/22/2012 6:58:17 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: expat1000

War, by itself, is not the answer. “Conclusive war”, or “winning the peace”, *after* the war, is the answer.

Let’s examine wars that are won by winning the peace after; and wars that are won, then lost, by not winning the peace.

Start with World War I. It ended in armistice, not victory or defeat. But Germany was treated as if it *had* been defeated, and subjected to humiliating and destructive terms, that to a great extent not only caused the international depression; but pushed Germany into the Nazi era and World War II.

The big villains here were the French, because they wanted revenge, not peace, against the German people, now a democracy, instead of against their former Imperial regime, now deposed and long gone.

Compare that to what happened after World War II, to Japan. After the war, General MacArthur(PBUH) took charge of their government, gave them a western style constitution and institutions, with an almost total disregard to their cultural institutions, and basically put them on the path that, “The business of Japan is business”.

They thought they would achieve their “place in the Sun” through militarism. He showed them that the path was instead hard work and business. MacArthur(PBUH) won the peace.

Iraq and Afghanistan are two more examples of winning and losing the peace. When H.W. Bush invaded Iraq, he quit too early, and left the peace to the scoundrel Saddam.

George W. Bush, however, invested an enormous amount of money in rebuilding Iraq; and we learned that every new, proven system we gave them generally worked, but every system of theirs we tried to reform was an utter failure.

Still, all told, the longer Iraq can keep it together, the greater their chances for a lasting peace.

Afghanistan, however, from the onset was a lost cause, because W. Bush made no effort at all to create for them a system, and a constitution, that worked; but instead he bowed to “cultural sensitivity” and tried to use worthless and antiquated cultural and government systems. So of course they were and are an utter failure.

We lost the peace in Afghanistan.

We could have written a constitution for them. We could have created a safe polytechnic school in Kabul for every orphan in the country, raising them to be the new government, military and business leaders of the future.

Because they were so bad off, with a tiny wage, we could have literally hired every unemployed man in the country to perform massive infrastructure projects, for under one billion dollars a year.

We could have won the peace in Afghanistan, breaking their 3,000 year curse. But we didn’t.


21 posted on 11/22/2012 7:27:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: expat1000

Proportional responses to aggression allows your foe to dictate the course of the war. This leads to long wars that you will lose.


22 posted on 11/22/2012 8:43:26 AM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: expat1000

I think this is a great article.


23 posted on 11/22/2012 9:19:54 AM PST by Albertafriend
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks expat1000.
Kant's plan was at least more reasonable than anything we have two-hundred years later today because it at least set out to limit membership in this body to free republics. If we had done that with the United Nations, it could conceivably have become something resembling a humane organization... There is no moral technology to prevent war. Or rather war is the moral technology, that when properly applied, ensures peace. The humanitarians had gone down a dead end by trying to create perpetual peace by outlawing war, but the peace-shouters who wear their inverted Mercedes Logo don't really want peace, some of them reflexively hate war for sentimental reasons, but their leaders and most committed activists don't hate war, they hate the people who win the wars.

24 posted on 11/24/2012 6:17:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: left that other site
Our national security philosophy has devolved into a Star Trek episode .
25 posted on 11/24/2012 5:45:01 PM PST by Bratch
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To: expat1000

Add me please!


26 posted on 11/24/2012 6:07:14 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Bratch

I thought of that one too!

GMTA!


27 posted on 11/24/2012 6:48:34 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Welcome to the Sultan Knish/Daniel Greenfield ping list!


28 posted on 11/24/2012 7:54:51 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Thanks!


29 posted on 11/24/2012 7:56:09 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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