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We could have had it All if we allowed God to go Before Us ^ | Scott Ryan

Posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:18 PM PST by publius321

And Asa cried unto the LORD his God, and said, LORD, it is nothing with thee to help, whether with many, or with them that have no power: help us, O LORD our God; for we rest on thee, and in thy name we go against this multitude. O LORD, thou art our God; let not man prevail against thee. II Chronicles 14:11

Sadly, we could have had both prosperity -and- a great awakening if we had sought first the kingdom of God as our founding fathers did. Following is my opinion of the Republican Party’s problem from back in February, during the time when Karl Rove was spending a quarter of a billion slandering and libeling Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

Many Republicans who led us down this path to destruction are still out there making excuses and are fighting for their positions of esteem. They need to go away gracefully while they still have the chance, especially the "leaders" of the RNC.

Nevertheless, God is and always has been in control. America has been given over to the enemy and we must face the truth if there be any hope of an exodus or deliverance from our present ferments. People just do not want to admit it.

The following is from my February 29th, 2012 essay The GOP is Serving Mammon (a false object of worship and devotion) with a link from an independent site. I posted the second half of the essay as the first part was an appeal to stop Republicans from voting for Romney (which is pointless now). I have posted the part that I believe all conservatives need to embrace while in captivity. | Scott Ryan

"... no matter HOW much we point out Romney’s ignominious track record and the basic logic that explains it – people enchanted by their pre-determined outcome are “all-in” like the residents of Jones Town and we will not break their trance.

Hence, we have indeed met the enemy and he is us. We have the votes as a whole but we are talking about a few points needed to win those delegates. We don’t have the willingness to get behind one of the two conservative candidates. Therefore we will nominate Mitt Romney and we will lose.

America may very well be destroyed by Barack Hussein Obama. You might as well start making your plans accordingly. The question left will be which states will secede from the Union when Obamacare and effrontery against the constitution like you never imagined possible is implemented at a pace far greater than what we have seen or fathomed. You may want to consider South Carolina as a new residence.

The Republican Party has abandoned its platform and the values upon which it was founded by adopting the old Clinton mantra “it’s the economy stupid”. The party has gone on record stating that moral issues are not as important to us as our own back pockets. Like Israel, “the Apple of God’s eye” as God called them did after the death of King Solomon, we are going into apostasy. God prospered Israel up to that point because they obeyed God. Seeking the prosperity was not what made them prosperous and victorious even when overwhelmed by their enemy.

Prosperity was a byproduct of virtue and obedience. After King Solomon died Israel and its Kings turned their back on God and disobeyed God. They adopted the false gods of those they defeated and built alters on the high places in direct disobedience to the one true God.

God was patient and he warned them. They did not listen and they were sacked by their enemies and handed over to slavery for centuries because they “kindled His anger against them”. It was not that God suddenly favored their evil enemies and was on the side of the nations to which he handed over Israel into captivity. It was His righteous discipline.

God does not work on man’s timeline and through the prophets he told His people the Jews that he would deliver them when they repented. But generations of people and their posterity lived in slavery while God still kept his covenant with His people, that nation, Israel.

America was founded upon those Judeo-Christian principles. Though we are much larger geographically speaking, we were once like a “little-Israel” by adoption. It was those same principles and an extension of that same promise “I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you” that made us.America, especially under Barack Obama is not only getting closer to the day when we curse Israel and betray her, we have adopted the idols of this world.

We are a nation addicted to entertainment, pornography and all kinds of sexual immorality (possibly our leading export and among the few things we currently “manufacture”). In the past few years we have seen state after state going on record and giving legal approbation to homosexual “marriage”. That’s not just our President but also our courts, state government after state government and legislatures.

Our President has violated our military by not only allowing homosexual activity within but encouraging it. The federal government and state governments are indoctrinating –children- with homosexual propaganda. Major corporations like Home Depot, the NFL and a great many others are flagrantly funding and encouraging such sexual immorality.

The basic sense of morality is almost gone from all aspects of life and it is leading to anarchy, the vacuum from which will always be despotism as our founders consistently warned. Balance sheets, income statements, housing appraisals even audited financials of the highest “blue chip” companies can no longer be trusted because a rapidly augmenting percentage of the people of this nation and this world have no sense of morality or honor.

Courts repeatedly issue verdicts of injustice because the efficacy of oaths has been destroyed and perjury runs rampant throughout the nation as lying has lost any stigma. In this culture glorifying violence and debauchery, children going to school and murdering other children in our public school system has become so common that the story of it barely makes the headlines through an entire day unless it is for the purpose of blaming the freedoms expatiated in our constitution.

Our President and Attorney General give assault weapons to drug lords resulting in murders of American citizens – then commit treason against the people of the United States. They not just knowingly cover it up – but rather they exploit it for the purpose of blaming it on our constitution and exploit the tragedies they caused by using it as pseudo-justification to restrict more of our rights.

Then we find ourselves giving them undue deference and ask whether such people should be impeached at a time where historical precedence and our founding documents should demand they rightfully face trial for treason. We have now murdered over 50 million babies in the woumb since Roe v. Wade.

Anyone who examines the current moral state our nation and does not conclude that we are a society that is not on the verge of becoming a footnote in history and should instead focus on the economy has lost all sense of reality.

The final question is whether we will elect the leader who used to turn around companies or the leader whose rightful conclusion is that this once Christian nation needs to do what Israel eventually did under a righteous king who feared the Lord, tore down the alters in high places and declared a national day of repentance and mourning. As Job said “He makes the nations great, then destroys them.” America, unlike Israel does –not- have an eternal covenant with God. His children who follow him do; but his children can also be found all over the world being persecuted even onto death. What should make us so special as to warrant exception?

What I am seeing in the GOP among the liberal faction is acrimony toward the conservatives who are doing everything they can to save this party. Santorum has been ridiculed, libeled and slandered for being “too religious”. This is not a good portent for America, especially when it is from within the Republican Party.

One thing that is for certain is that Barack Obama is an evil man with treacherous plans for America. But Americans including some Republicans are incredibly arrogant to think that just because we are America, that we can violate Gods commands without compunction and go on record stating as a people that our mammon is more important than standing for the godly principles upon which we were blessed to be founded – without thinking we will be held accountable.

As Isaiah said, the pride of men will be humbled and the loftiness of men will be abased.

Freedom is the natural state of man. Tyranny is the result of sin. Prosperity will naturally occur in a righteous nation. I believe we were already handed over to our enemy in 2008 and if we do not repent and turn from the wickedness to which we are enslaved, it is going to be over.

There is something spiritual going on in America that is far beyond anything we can see. It was palpable 2008 when we witnessed the masses in a state of unprecedented public euphoria, hand over our nation to a charismatic socialist. I was as though their eyes had been blindfolded and no matter how hard we tried to show them the clear evidence, they could not see the obvious.

Those blindfolds are now on the GOP and just like with Obama followers, the more they are shown the truth, the more obstinate they become. It cannot be mere irony that after years of being under this affliction of Obama, we in the Republican Party are faced with the prospect of nomination –another- charming figure of our own - who has a track record that opposes most of the fundamental values of our platform.

Out of 300 million Americans from which to select a nominee, we are getting closer to nominating a charming man who causes the blind-folds to cover the eyes and seduce our own. After being handed over to the enemy for the past three plus years, out of the 300 million Americans, we are close to nominating one who follows one of America’s greatest false prophets, Joseph Smith.

The God of Israel and the God upon which this nation was founded made it clear who He is. He said “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End”. He made it clear that there is only ONE God. At a time when we need to turn back to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, we are about to follow a different route and choose as our presidential nominee, a man who believes not only that there are infinite gods – but that He too can become god.

There is no irony at this cross-road. It is easy to go through the motions day by day and not think about the significance of what we are doing and the choices we make. To borrow a phrase from the American “Great Awakening” theologian Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758), “the physical universe is only the skeleton of reality”. Taking a circumspect view of the choices with which we are faced,

I conclude that there is –no way- the monumental decision we are making is not a spiritual moment in our history that will determine whether we are on the side of the One who blesses this nation for the past centuries."

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: asa; god; gop; mammon; obama

1 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:18 PM PST by publius321
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To: publius321

America long lived a “charmed” life, even if that charm were marred early on by the in-humanness of chattel slavery and by the strife of a civil rebellion followed by a bloody civil war. Its presidents of all parties were for a long time all sincere Christians, its major statesmen deists at the weakest, and until the last the country, from the President on down, unashamedly proclaimed the Judeo-Christian bible to be its moral light. Open atheists were rare birds on the political scene.

The GOP gets such intense attention today only because the Democrats ceased to sincerely care about God, even erroneously, at about the time of Jimmy Carter (I’ll allow that even Jimmy might have been sincere, though misinformed and bumbling, during his presidential tenure). Not that the GOP is by any means God’s Own Party, but it’s the only major viable one left in which serious Christians can still find a voice, and almost nobody is striving for a revival in the Democrats any more. If the light blinks out in the GOP, it has for all intents and purposes blinked out everywhere in the major political life of the land.

And thus is the status quo. Future decades of Christians not so far from now may see the American government only as a distant, hostile Caesar.

2 posted on 11/15/2012 7:35:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: publius321
131M voted in 2008. As of now, 124M votes have been counted. Evangelicals were 26% of the vote both in 2008 and 2012. They went 78% for Romney vs 74% for McCain.

There are at least a couple of million votes yet to be counted, so Romney will almost certainly exceed surpass McCain in both % support and in absolute numbers among evangelicals.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 7:37:47 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Thanks for that info. Here is some data for Alabama FWIW

Alabama went for Santorum in the primaries.

Republican Democrat
2012 1,253,790 (61%) 793,966 (38%)
Gary Johnson siphoned off 12,292

2008 1,264,879 (60%) 811,764 (39%)
Ralph Nader siphoned off 6,616

less turn out in 2012 vs 2008 for both dems and republicans but we are talking fairly small numbers here. even more of a lower turnout for dems in 2012. certainly had little effect on the percentage voting Republican in this state.

Of course this is Alabama. What makes more of a difference is turnout history in the swing states and exit poll data & internals etc

4 posted on 11/15/2012 8:08:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Ken H

So more evangelicals voted for Romney than McCain, that is good news. The other problem is that the American people believe tha the have to experience rligious experience over objective truths. Spo part of the problem is that across the entireity of American Christianity the emphasis is on the subjective comes before the objective.

Christianity is to be based on the objectivity of the Cross and through the objective understanding that Christ died for the sins of mankind, that are sins are forgiven. The Christian experience comes from a knowledge of a relationship with God, an attitude of putting God first and foremost and the willingness to serve ones fellow man without having to announce to the world Christian Charity and Christian love.

King Solomon wrote in 2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and prayer and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

remember Solomon was a wise king, but Solomon had a problem he allowed through multiple marriages to adopt many of the religious views that brought about the idolatry of the nation of Israel, his offspring did not utilize wise judgement, the nation of Israel split up into two nations, Israel and Judah. Today the nation of Israel is actual the land of the nation of Judah. the nation of Israel is rooted in its land.

many of the forefathers and other founders of this country founded this nation as a beacon on a hill, a nation called into existence by God.

America has turned its back on God. So Solomon in writing in regards to hearing from God if his leadership would turn its eyes on God the nation of Israel would survive.

America’s leadership is in the toilet. the American people have become disheartened by the false leadership. The current leadership of the USA is not of God and was achieved by falsehoods, dishonesty and cheating. God will take care of Obama.

The solution is that the American people must turn their hearts and minds to God. The American people must take a leadership role at the local level to get the local governments in line with Godly principals and values that the nation was founded. The only way to change the leadership in Washington DC is to work at the home (municipal) level and strive to change the state level and than the federal level. For example look at Wisconsin - the state level maintained many republican leaderships in spite of the losses that occurred at the federal level. fraud and deceit caused for the losses for the federal levels Baldwin/Thompson and Obama/romney - look at Racine, Kenosha, Dane (Madison) and Milwaukee areas - Chicago unions were brought into to vote fraudulently.

In Michigan where I live at the local level Benishek defeated a career democrat McDowell for the federal race. benishek being local for the UP of Michigan. in other local races - the democrats that ran against republicans and or independents were defeated. the oddity is the democrats that ran unopposed did win. An independent defeated a long term democrat for County Commissioner at majority level.

maybe the 2012 race was not perfect in the resuls what many wanted. But God may be utilizing the concept of a 2X4 to smack someone Americans to get their attention - you allow for a godless leadership there are consequences to your religious freedom

Wake up America it is now the time to fight for your freedom. The freedoms that you have can be stolen from you because you have forgotten to focus on the objecive truth of God is in control and he sometimes has to hmble people to wake them up from the stupor that they have been drawn into by a false teacher.

Someone can claim they are a christian. But christians will see the fruit they bear. Lying by a president of the USA is only the tip of his true character. Under the charismatic leadership their is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

( Sorry to be preachy)

5 posted on 11/15/2012 8:27:59 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: publius321
The author seems to be blaming Mormonism and Romney,
when it is the American people who have turned it's back on YHvH.
We have voted in leaders to bring about our own destruction.

Our elected leaders have pandered to
the most perverse and perverted agenda.

We as a Nation have cursed YHvH after His warnings.
We have called down on ourselves the curse of Isaiah 9:11-21

After years of pagan idolatry, YHvH allowed the hedge
of protection to be lowered and the nation of Israel
was attacked by the Assyrians.

On September 11, 2001, YHvH allowed a breach in our hedge of protection.
The following day, Democrat Tom Daschle called down a curse on America.
On September 11, 2004, Democrat John Edwards repeated the curse on America.
On February 24, 2009 Democrat Barack Hussein Obama repeated the curse for the third time.
(Matthew 18:16; 2 Cr 13:1; Deu 19:15 & Amos 3:12)

The stock market fell 7% on Sept 17, 2001
( 29 day of the month of Elul)

Seven years later on the 29th of Elul,
it fell again 7 %
At the end of each Sabbatical year,
all debts are made worthless.

Seven years after the attack on September 11, 2001,
We elected a man to lead this country whose
whole persona is built on lies.

In 721 BCE, the walls of Israel were breached.
The nation's leaders with pride and in arrogance
of heart cursed YHvH.
See Isaiah 9:10.

Isaiah 9:9 .....Asserting in pride and in arrogance of heart:

Isaiah 9:10 "The bricks have fallen down,
But we will rebuild with smooth stones;

The sycamores have been cut down,
But we will replace them with cedars."

This nation was dedicated in St Paul's chapel
located at the corner of Ground Zero.
The Sycamore tree at St Paul's chapel
was destroyed by a steel beam from
the World Trade Center.

The New York Stock Exchange was
chartered under a Sycamore tree.

Ten years after the initial breach
the nation of Israel was attacked
and overrun by the Assyrians.
Half the nation was captured
and taken off to imprisonment.

I love metaphors;
they teach those who have ears to hear.
For more information read the book Harbinger
by Jonathan Cahn

if my people,
who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways;
then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.
Seek YHvH in His WORD !

Ask and you will receive His Salvation !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

6 posted on 11/15/2012 8:30:01 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: publius321

We ran a sober man who teaches that God was once a man who was good and followed the faith, and then became God of this planet, as his father before him had became a God and ruled a different planet, and so on.

The man we chose to lead our party is in the process of becoming a God himself, and will be Holy Father to another planet, just as our Holy Father is God to this planet.

We chose, but yet God still didn’t let us win the election.

7 posted on 11/15/2012 8:35:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: hondact200
Glory to God in the highest, peace on earth, good will toward men.

Note the requirement of the first part before the fullment of the second part.

8 posted on 11/15/2012 9:44:14 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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To: Conservative4Ever


9 posted on 11/15/2012 9:45:18 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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