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Why Hispanics Are Natural Democrats And What The GOP Can Do About It
Super-Economy ^ | November 12, 2012 | Tino Sanandaji

Posted on 11/14/2012 10:57:52 AM PST by OddLane

There has been no shortage of commentary on the impact of the Hispanic vote on the election outcome. Much of the Republican post-election commentary has focused on the failure of Romney to gather a sufficient share of Hispanic support. Much of the discussion is confused.

Two factors decide the impact of the Hispanic vote. One is the percentage of Hispanics who vote Republican. The other is how many Hispanic voters there are. Empirically, variation in numbers was far more important than variation in voting patterns.

Romney did not lose because he lost the Hispanic vote in some unusual fashion. Rather, he lost because of rising number of Hispanics. In 1992 Hispanics were two percent of voters, in 2012 ten percent of voters. If the Hispanic vote share would have been what it was in 2000, let alone 1992. Romney would have won. Romney however would not have won with the vote share Bush got among Hispanics with the current composition of the electorate.

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1 posted on 11/14/2012 10:57:59 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

The inscription on the Statue of Liberty should be changed to “Give me your tired huddled masses yearning for freebies.”


2 posted on 11/14/2012 11:02:39 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: OddLane

The answer is definitely not to pander


3 posted on 11/14/2012 11:03:28 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: OddLane
Here's something they've yet to do - Hammer the rats good and hard on abortion. If they were hammered properly, we'd get the Catholics AND most of the hispanics.

Hammer them hard on gay marriage too. Hispanics don't like faggots either.

4 posted on 11/14/2012 11:04:25 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: OddLane

Can be summed up in two words: free stuff


5 posted on 11/14/2012 11:04:56 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: OddLane
Yes, we have long been fed a rosy scenario that Hispanics are "natural conservatives," due to being Catholic, pro-family, pro-life, hard workers etc.

I wish I could still believe that, but I don't. Too many illegals were allowed to flood our country, and have been bought off by the Dems already.

Thus the majority of Hispanics are already committed Dems and will not change this voting habit, even if our side does a good job explaining why our traditional free enterprise system was better than the current welfare state.

6 posted on 11/14/2012 11:06:16 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: OddLane
Thanks to democrat efforts over the years most non-whites feel its their duty to vote against the republican party.

The charge the GOP is too white is the biggest 'dog whistle' ever devised.

7 posted on 11/14/2012 11:07:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: GeronL; shhrubbery!; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Slump Tester; forgotten man
I agree.

The only thing pandering will do is hasten the demise of The Stupid Party

8 posted on 11/14/2012 11:09:50 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

As I posted elsewhere, the culture has a different view of government. When in power, take all you can for yourself. You are the law.

That is NOT our system. These people are the political losers in their home countries. Now they are using the SEIU and others to take over our system to turn it into THEIR corrupt system.


9 posted on 11/14/2012 11:15:54 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: OddLane

The truth is that they come from a infantile culture where some rich, powerful, monarch or one sort or another leads them around by the nose.

They got the worst of europes government style. Between Austrian monarchs, the Spanish, the Catholic church in earlier eras that justified these monarchs, etc,, the Mexicans simply do not have a tradition of the individual being empowered to rule the government.

Hundreds of years of experience tells them they should be ruled over. With a vote, they select the one that will be a good parent for the child they emotionally are.


10 posted on 11/14/2012 11:17:47 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: OddLane

Give all Hispanics free cable, free TV’s, Free Ipads!!!


11 posted on 11/14/2012 11:19:55 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: OddLane

The whole idea of identity politics is hurting the GOP and conservatives.

The narrative is that anybody who is allegedly some oppressed minority should vote Democrat.

This includes any with some grievance, including black, Hispanic, Asian, young people, girls worried about birth control, enviro extremists, poor people, single mothers, you name it.

The liberals are running with the narrative that so many people are victims, and that these victims should vote Democrat.

The ugly truth is that Democrats have no solutions to problems. The liberals bitch about who is to blame for this and that, but don’t offer any constructive solutions to the alleged problems. And the icing on the cake is that we’re all victims somehow.


12 posted on 11/14/2012 11:21:57 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego ('s)
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To: skeeter

White liberals are fools if they think that Hispanics and
Blacks are going to allow them to rule them,when they become a majority.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 11:25:13 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: OddLane

Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups. Moral conservatism hasn’t been implemented in politics for several decades. For example, over 3 decades of feminism and homosexualism pushed in politics by both parties.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 11:25:34 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Slump Tester

Agreed.

Dear God, give us an elected official who will get in front of a camera and ask the following question:

“Who gets to decide which unborn babies deserve the death penalty?”


15 posted on 11/14/2012 11:26:14 AM PST by TheRobb7 (Patriots don't negotiate the terms of our enslavement)
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To: OddLane

The GOP promised jobs. The Dems promised handouts.
The GOP ran a proven job creator. The Dems ran a community organizer.

While I don’t doubt for a moment that there was massive vote fraud—especially in the inner city areas that have no bipartisan oversight-—I do feel the republic is doomed. Going straight down the toilet. In ancient Rome, first in the latter stages of the old republic, then during the empire, politicians and emperors bought off the urban masses (most of whom did not work) with free stuff-—free food, free grain, free spectacles in their great stadiums. We’ve seen this story before. We have not really progressed since then. Welcome to hell. Welcome to the jungle. Our limited government constitutional republic first came under assault during the Woodrow Wilson Administration. Then the New Deal basically killed it off. Now we have Obama in there essentially following the footsteps of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Take over the key industries. Redistribute wealth. Make most people dependent on the government. Throw in some vote rigging in the one-party inner city districts and precincts. That’s how Chavez stays in power. That’s how Obama stays in power. The work ethic is gone. It’s all about the free stuff. The DJIA is now down over 100 points again. I can’t believe how many stupid morons live in this country.


16 posted on 11/14/2012 11:27:55 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Not all of us. I’m a straight white male. I don’t get victim status. EVER!


17 posted on 11/14/2012 11:31:38 AM PST by The Toll
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To: OddLane

Oh gimme a break they are natural democrats because they come from a socialist country where socialism does not work because the goodies can’t come fast enough or plentiful enough and if you complain your beloved Government see’s that you become a vapor or threaten you into silence whats not understood is that when they transfer that political power to a freedom structure freedom is no more how can you not see the very thing you are running from {poverty and oppression} follow them here with their votes for more goodies paid for by the very folks who are more than anxious to give wages to a person who would work for less wages than normal just to boost the bottom line

It’s not just the illegal perpetrating these socialist acts but the employer who is looking to cheat the government out of revenue who is also dragging the dead carcass of socialism whith it to the future ......


18 posted on 11/14/2012 11:31:48 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (100% voted Obama in precincts in Ohio ? NOPE i don't believe it ! someone CHEATED !)
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To: GeronL
The answer is definitely not to pander.

Correct. I'll post again what I posted on a couple of threads following the re-election of Steve Pearce in NM-2. It will amaze readers who haven't seen it:

In New Mexico, Congressional district 2 occupies the southern half of the state. The boundary is a slightly WNW-ESE line south of the I-40 corridor (south of Gallup, ABQ, Santa Rosa, Clovis). Republican registration is 34%. The area includes lots of Latino voters, the oil and gas fields, Mexican border counties and rural ranchers.

Tea-party conservative Steve Pearce won re-election with 59.2% of the vote not only in the oil patch but in most counties too (The Democratic candidate was Evelyn Madrid Erhard). I'm not sure of his secret (besides hard work) but the GOPe needs to emulate this for future victories.

Democratic counties and percentages:

Republican counties and percentages: One more thing -- Lea, Eddy and Chaves counties make up SE NM Oil Patch - jobs are plentiful, "help wanted" signs everywhere, and skills bring a premium salary and benefits. These folks vote to protect their jobs and are rightfully wary of what Obama will do to shut down their livelihood.
On the other hand majority-Hispanic counties in NM-3 (from District 1 due-north to the Colorado border) voted 79%-83% for the Democratic candidate, Ray Lujan. They have been the recipient of years of government largesse, especially since the rabid enviros in Santa Fe and elsewhere shut down mining, lumbering and other natural resource extraction. Interestingly, the Navajo's in the four-corners region did not necessarily vote for the Dems as many are employed in coal mining or as power plant workers. They, too, realize their jobs are on the line as a result of a second-term Obama administration.
19 posted on 11/14/2012 11:32:48 AM PST by CedarDave (Presstitutes: Journalists who refuse to ask hard questions and who report by omission or distortion)
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To: OddLane

Self-ping.


20 posted on 11/14/2012 11:32:57 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: OddLane

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can do about this matter.
This election confirmed that we are now going to be a Communist country and Obama will bleed every penny he can to give it to the rest of the world until everyone makes the same level of income. (HIS VERY WORDS).
Good luck with spinning your wheels because that is ALL you will be doing from here on out.


21 posted on 11/14/2012 11:33:20 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Dr. Ursus

Our society has been wearing blinders on this issue for decades. Completely oblivious to human nature.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 11:36:42 AM PST by skeeter
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To: familyop
Not quite.
23 posted on 11/14/2012 11:37:00 AM PST by OddLane
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To: familyop

“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups” BULLSHIT! PROVE IT!!


24 posted on 11/14/2012 11:41:06 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: cizinec

You are right. Another issue is PAYING TAXES. Many of these immigrants come from countries where they LAUGH at the prospect of paying taxes. They consider us fools in the U.S. to honestly pay taxes. How will this EVER change?

They may have a great work ethic while here in the U.S. but that may never translate to:

!) honestly paying taxes
2) stopping the money laundering for associates/relatives who have criminal/drug enterprises (using small businesses)
3) honestly using our banking, mortgage and credit card systems

I see this in Florida all around me. MANY (not all):
They don’t use the banks but prefer cash under the table, pawn shops and check cashing services. They think nothing of using false ID’s and information for obtaining mortgages or credit. Many small businesses pop up with no paper/money trail to honestly pay taxes. They play the race card when it comes to honoring HOA regulations or honestly paying HOA dues.

The politically inspired expansion of home ownership brought out this behavior. They would use false information to obtain mortgages, then use false information to receive a home equity loan on their new home. They would take the money and run. You can’t find them because they used false ID’s.

There is NO WAY our current financial institutions or tax-funded government can possibly survive waves of new citizens with this behavior. I am waiting to hear from a politician from any party to explain how they feel this behavior can be changed.

The more you sit back allow fraud of any kind, the more of it you will receive. (voter fraud, tax fraud, benefit fraud, mortgage fraud) We will need a major overhaul of the tax code, benefit allocation systems, and financial institutions to accommodate the inherent behavior of many new immigrants.

It would be wonderful if I was wrong and all new immigrants would assimilate in these areas, but watching the changes directly around me in Florida makes me doubt this possibility.


25 posted on 11/14/2012 11:41:13 AM PST by ruralvoter
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To: familyop

“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups. Moral conservatism hasn’t been implemented in politics for several decades. For example, over 3 decades of feminism and homosexualism pushed in politics by both parties.”

That is mostly true within the family, and in the personal zone. But in politics they are the children, ruled over for centuries by a Patron, a monarch, etc. They have no tradition of regular people truly controlling the government the way we do. They are very very happy with an oligarchy as long as they think the oligarchy likes them.
BUt that is the mentality of MEXICAN citizens here illegally, who are not supposed to be voters.

The voters who hurt us are Americans. Hispanic Americans. FAR too often, they are racist. Their main loyalty is to foreigners of the same race over America.


26 posted on 11/14/2012 11:41:13 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: The Toll

Well, if you were a homosexual, then you could claim victim status based on that. Straight white men are out of luck in the victim game.

That’s where we are today. If you can claim victimhood, Democrats promise to fight the oppression which made you a victim.:


27 posted on 11/14/2012 11:42:12 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego ('s)
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To: familyop

I live in California. I don’t buy the argument that Mexicans (that is what they call themselves) are natural conservatives. Our prisons are full of Mexicans. The girls get pregnant out of wedlock and go on welfare. The boys join gangs and wind up in prison. The parks in their neighborhoods have murals of Che Guevarra and communist slogans painted all over the place. Go to Chicano Park in San Diego and see for yourself (but don’t get out of your car). They vote to raise other peoples taxes. I seen nothing conservative in 99% of them.


28 posted on 11/14/2012 11:42:27 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: cizinec
Hispanics are the conservatives in Mexico, the Mayans and other South and Central American Indians are the Democrat equivalents. Most of the illegals in the USA have little Spanish blood in them. It isn't the northern Mexico Hispanics that are coming in illegally with 3 pesos to their name signing up for welfare, foodstamps, section 8 housing, free medical care, and filling up the jails.

Where someone falls on the political spectrum has a lot to do with where they fall on the bell curve. In Mexico the Hispanics are on the right side of the bell curve, in the USA less so.

29 posted on 11/14/2012 11:44:02 AM PST by Reeses
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To: CedarDave

“On the other hand majority-Hispanic counties in NM-3 (from District 1 due-north to the Colorado border) voted 79%-83% for the Democratic candidate, Ray Lujan”

And those counties are all well aware that he is gay. Worst kept secret in NM. SO much for hispanics being good little anti gay catholics. Hispanics in some large areas are not nearly as conservative as some like to fantasize they are.


30 posted on 11/14/2012 11:46:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: OddLane
Interesting! A group of people enter into the United States without permission. These aliens then form a bloc designed to influence American economic and political policy and in fact are succeeding in driving such policies.

Venal American politicians then create a "need" to "reach out" to the illegals; as for one group of politicians the Mexican represents votes and for the other group of politicians low labor costs for their constituents.

The net result of aforementioned alien influence will be governance by an alien people in the United States. A conquest if you please.

31 posted on 11/14/2012 11:50:21 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: OddLane

Beginning in the 8th century with the Muslim conquest, Spain /Hispania/alAndulusia lost its Celtic and Germanic ideals of individual liberty and its Roman ideals of republican govt. In its place the idea of the caudillo/alcalde/strongman form of govt arose, fed by the Islamic caliphate. When the reconquista ended this political direction was married to the new idea of nation state and the right of divine absolutism. The role of the Catholic Church exacerbated these political assaults on liberty. Now 500+ years later when you look at hispanic political culture worldwide you see no love of liberty but a great popular investment in the strongman govt who panders to the masses. The idea of an hispanic culture creating and sustaining a successful democratic republic with individual liberty as its core is unlikely. hence the affinity of Hispanic Americans for liberal democrat ideas of big govt and statism.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 12:01:06 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: forgotten man

I don’t live in the culture of California, although that does tend to ooze into other states through socialist politics and social pathologies.


33 posted on 11/14/2012 12:03:09 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“Venal American politicians then create a “need” to “reach out” to the illegals”

What a lot of people arent getting, is that the outreach isn’t all to the illegals. It’s mostly aimed at American citizens who happen to be hispanic, but who’s loyalty lies with ethnically similar citizens from a foreign country.

Traitors.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 12:04:06 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Clemenza; Cacique

ping


35 posted on 11/14/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by OddLane
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To: xkaydet65

Exactly.


36 posted on 11/14/2012 12:05:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: OddLane
Illegal aliens are much more dangerous than democrats. The repeated story of Latin America over the last century has been violent communist revolution followed by violent military dictatorship. Back and forth, egged on by drug money on the one hand and Chinese and even recently Islamic money on the other. Folks interested in the deatils would be interested in this book by John Poole.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 12:08:08 PM PST by SENTINEL (Election 2012....One more false prophecy by FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups” BULLSHIT! PROVE IT!!”

They proved it themselves by voting 71% for Obama. These exceptionally “moral conservatives” voted just like the black preachers concerned by his stand on homosexuals, abortion, manic spending, ad nauseum. It didn’t stop them from voting for four more years of it!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/latino-vote-key-election/index.html

Like their tin god Obama, forget what they say and watch what they do.
“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups”
That’s rich. Go peddle your papers!

Trying to fix the GOP is like shutting the barn door after the horses have scattered.
We conservatives are on our own.


38 posted on 11/14/2012 12:14:52 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Dr. Ursus
Yep, look at Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, Los Angeles and many other large cities. There will never be another White mayor in any of those cities and in many cases there won't even be a White council member. Soon you will be able to say that about whole states

And while Blacks & Hispanic may vote Liberal when the goodies are flowing, they really don't care about the same things White Liberals care about, like Woman, Gay and Animal rights, the Environment, etc. And they certianly aren't going to be up for paying for old, white childless female's Social Security.

The same thing happened in Communist Russia, they created a system where they believed they, the elite intellectuals would run everything, but instead they created a system that is run by whoever is strong and brutal enough to take it.

Just like then, many elite intellectual Liberals today are going to be shocked when instead of the utopia they dreamed of, they will instead find themselves lined up against the wall or being dragged out into the street by the mob.

39 posted on 11/14/2012 12:17:15 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: OddLane

I hate abortion and consider it to be a big political issue. The numbers say that the Republicans should be cleaning up on this issue. More and more people say they are against abortion. Anybody can say they are against abortion, but how do they vote on it? I wonder if there are many people who are afraid to tell a pollster they are for killing babies, but, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for abortion? I think that if we had a real “Truth Machine” that could read people’s minds, the blacks and Mexicans would run from the Democrat party. Those white liberals are all for helping the born blacks and Mexicans, but put the old truth machine on them and ask them their feelings about increasing the total numbers of blacks and Mexicans in their neighborhoods and you would see ABORTION!!! Light up in their brains. The white liberals see welfare as the means of assuaging their guilty consciences and minimally helping the blacks and Mexicans. But, they see abortion as the long-term strategy to deal with blacks and Mexicans. And the Blacks and Mexicans vote for the Democrats! The flaw in the white liberal thinking is that the Mexicans are taking the welfare and still having kids.


40 posted on 11/14/2012 12:24:32 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: OddLane

Told my Columbian-American friend about O’s relationship with Chavez with pictures. She was appalled. She had no idea. I told her to tell her friends and she said she would.

I say, link ‘em to the tyrants people were trying to escape.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 12:29:13 PM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: Slump Tester
Hammer the rats good and hard on abortion. If they were hammered properly, we'd get the Catholics AND most of the hispanics.

It doesn't work that way, Catholic Hispanics follow the tradition of Catholics voting democrat, Protestant Hispanics are close to a 50/50 republican block and (somewhat) closely follow the tradition of Protestants voting republican.

Republicans won 56% of the Protestant Hispanic vote in 2004, and 48% in 2008, we need to find out why, and try to expand on that.

42 posted on 11/14/2012 12:30:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Suz in AZ
Maria Conchita Alonso has been banging this drum for years.
43 posted on 11/14/2012 12:40:49 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Dear OddLane, there is no such thing as a Hispanic, and there is no Hispanic vote. In Florida, the Cuban exile community votes Republican because they know that the Dems are in bed with Fidel Castro. In states that border Mexico, the Mexicans vote for big government. In NY the Colombians vote for the Dems because they also love Castro. The Dominicans and Puerto Ricans vote Dem because they got folded unto the Black thing.
Even though you may think that Hispanics are pro family and traditionalists, that applies only to them. They come from unstable, corrupt countries where you get ahead by being part of a clan - think of them as Sicilians - how many of them voted Republican?


44 posted on 11/14/2012 1:07:56 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Reeses

We have to tell the Mexican illegals to stop coming illegally and stop living here like it is a third world nation and importing their socialist behavior and thoughts into America. America can not afford to take on these many immigrants. We need the border fence.

And the legal Mexicans have to be re-educated because they come with little education or with the wrong education into the country and the children get taught wrong values and many end up living a hip-hop gangster lifestyle or a ranchero lifestyle.

Mexican and like minded Illegals will do whatever they can to work as long as the INS doesn’t get involved because they are illegal. It is slave-labor as they can work for 10 cents an hour and never have enough to eat. But they are illegal and have no rights as citizens because they are not citizens. So therefore, they are illegal. Not legal and have no right to legal things.

But making them all legal doesn’t work because they will be too many people to document and they will overwhelm the system. Cloward-Piven strategy.


45 posted on 11/14/2012 1:18:37 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: DesertRhino

There are a group of the Mexican immigrants who have no patriotism toward the USA. They are all about Mexico only and US be dammed.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 1:24:16 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: kabumpo
I didn't come up with the title for this essay-which wasn't written by me.

Also, I completely rejected those assertions earlier in this thread, but okay...

47 posted on 11/14/2012 1:30:20 PM PST by OddLane
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To: DesertRhino

I was born in Bolivia and came here legally at age 4 and I love the country and became conservative. I want fiscal discipline and the best for the place. I am American first and foremost. I see myself as a human being not as a part of just one group in America. I had a very American upbringing. I feel American. Throughout my whole life, I’ve never felt connected to one particular race or heritage, nor did I need to be accepted by any. Look like I grew up differently than the statist, neo-marxist clan coming through the border. Therefore not only do I not agree with them at all, I despise them.


48 posted on 11/14/2012 1:30:50 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
We have to tell the Mexican illegals to stop coming illegally and stop living here

Yeah, that should do it. Rolls eyes.........

It is slave-labor as they can work for 10 cents an hour and never have enough to eat.

In 1890 maybe. The illegals now days get paid plenty and typically pay no taxes.

As to never having enough to eat I also call BS. They are a roly-poly bunch and are usually good and drunk by 6:00pm. The good news is they don't let their drunkenness or lack of a license and insurance stop them from driving or raping women and children.

But making them all legal doesn’t work

Damn right is doesn't work and it is a retarded idea. What we should really do is arm our southern border just like they arm theirs and shoot to kill just like they do. A few hundred buzzard magnets should fix things up nicely.

Here is another one of the illegal alien scumbags favorite things. A rape tree.


49 posted on 11/14/2012 1:43:30 PM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: OddLane

I’ve got it, we can give them a lowrider. Obama has his Obamaphone, but Republicans can promise a free lowrider!


50 posted on 11/14/2012 1:52:13 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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