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Federalizing the Election Process: Just Say No
OK Politechs ^ | 11/13/12 | Charles M. Phipps

Posted on 11/13/2012 7:33:52 PM PST by LD Jackson

On election day there were long lines in some states and many people waited hours to vote.  Even here in Oklahoma, where voting has typically been a fairly quick process, I saw reports of some precincts in the Oklahoma City metro area having more than an hour wait.  I attributed the longer than usual wait to the new voting system selected by the Oklahoma County Election Board which required more time to fill out the ballot than in the past.  Having state questions to vote on just increased the time for voters who weren't prepared in advance since they had to read the questions before making a decision. 
Some of the longest lines in the nation were in Wisconsin, Virginia, Maryland and Florida.  I saw reports of people in Florida still in line to vote after midnight.  People in Lee County waited as long as nine hours to vote.  The number of scanners used in Lee County along with the amendments to vote on have been blamed for the backlog.  But, whatever the reason, it's an issue for the State of Florida to address, not for the federal government.

There have already been calls by some in Congress (all Democrats, so far) to have Congress intervene to "normalize" voting nationwide and avoid the long delays of last Tuesday.  Gerry Connolly, Jim Moran and Elijah Cummings, Democrat Representatives in Congress, have all weighed in on the voting delays.  Moran said it is "incumbent on the Congress" to step in and that delays are "unforgivable in a modern society." Connolly said, "This ought not to be difficult. This is not rocket science.  We've got to figure out how to clean up federal elections."

Even President Obama mentioned the issue in his victory speech.  He said, "I want to thank every American who participated in this election — whether you voted for the very first time or waited in line for a very long time.  By the way, we have to fix that."

Eliminating lines and streamlining the voting process sounds great, but elections are run by the states and the federal government has no authority to step in.  The notion that these are federal elections is a misnomer because all but the president and vice president represent individual states or districts.  Even the vote for president is not really a vote for the candidate, but for the electors from the state who will vote for that candidate at a later date when the Electoral College meets to cast their votes.

According to the Census data, there are currently more than 87,000 local and state governments containing more than 511,000 offices.  The idea that the federal government should be involved in running elections for those offices is asking the federal government to infringe on the sovereignty of 87,000 governments and the authority they have to make decisions about their own election processes.  Should the federal government be involved in your city council election?  Your county sheriff?  Local elections to vote on a sales tax increase?  Historically, when the federal government gets involved in something it becomes a bloated bureaucracy full of wasteful spending, top heavy with overpaid administrators and more problems at the local level than before the feds decided to 'help'.

The United States Constitution gives Congress sole power to decide the date of the presidential election, but that is the limit of their authority over the election.  Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 4 of the Constitution: "The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they give their Votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States."  Authority over how those those Electors are chosen rests with the States, under the authority of the Tenth Amendment:  "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The federal system we have in the United States has shifted over time from dual federalism to cooperative federalism, but even under cooperative federalism the states still maintain sovereign rights.  No doubt there would be some liberal states who would welcome the federal government taking over the election process but most would not.  The Founders so distrusted a strong central control that they made it difficult for the federal government to have a major function in the election process.  They knew keeping decisions at the state and local level were the best way to prevent autocratic control of elections.

And although it has not been mentioned by proponents of federalizing the election process, I believe an eventual goal of doing so would be the elimination of the Electoral College.  There are many people who believe we should elect the president on a popular vote.  This also goes against the intentions of the Founders and the federal system they created.  More on that in my post here if you are interested. 

If there are election problems in some states then it is up to those states to solve their own problems.  Citizens of each state should decide for themselves what their election laws and processes should be.  If the State of Florida wants to continue using chisels and rocks to cast votes that's their decision.  The federal government has no right to intercede.

TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: elections

1 posted on 11/13/2012 7:33:55 PM PST by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson

The fedGOV has every right to intercede when it’s a federal race ... We need standards ... The states can do what they want and the fedGOV can ignore them.

1.) positive id ,, can be biometric or gov’t issued photo id with good security measures ,, d/l or passport
1a.) thumbprint/eyescan or similar traceable signature from voter to be placed on ballot or sign in sheet or both. If Walt Disney World can track 15million visitors a year at one park alone with NO DELAYS and match them up to verify their tickets really are theirs the fedGOV can do it.
2.) approved methods of voting that allow for hand recounts , electronic methods without a paper trail are verboten.
3.) absentee ballots will be tallied and included in the reported vote totals ,, not weeks down the road...
4.)7am-7pm ,,, anyone in line at 7pm will vote , you arrive at 7:01 , you go home.
6.) Observers from the 2 largest political parties will at ALL TIMES have full run of the precincts and the elections office where ballots are counted... and anywhere else connected with the election process without exception.
7.) Any instance of overvoting or other fraud must be investigated and if the guilty party is identified they must be prosecuted.

2 posted on 11/13/2012 7:51:06 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: LD Jackson
Mr. Pipps must live in a cave.

Not one word in his essay about the massive election fraud.

3 posted on 11/13/2012 7:59:44 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I care not who the people vote for, as long as I can count the vote. Stalin/Obama/Stalin/Obama/Stalin/Obama

4 posted on 11/13/2012 8:11:36 PM PST by Texas Songwriter ( i)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Well....Sean Hannity has been giving this election's voter fraud the attention it deserves. Good for him! My confidence in his integrity is restored somewhat even though he ignored Obama’s eligibility.

I was over on the Rush thread. Seems like the Big Weenie is too afraid to mention the topic.

I guess Rush fails to understand that if we can “count on the vote” the natural consequences of Obama can be righted in the voting booth. If we can't count on the honest of the vote....well...what's left? The Second Amendment? I pray it never gets to that level.

He either fails to understand or is a coward.

5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:25:26 PM PST by wintertime
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To: LD Jackson

The idea of federal ID, even voting ID, is horrible. Why would we trust the federal government with this?

6 posted on 11/13/2012 8:29:16 PM PST by GeronL (
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To: Neidermeyer

It’s already interfered too much.

7 posted on 11/13/2012 8:46:13 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Neidermeyer
"The fedGOV has every right to intercede when it’s a federal race ... We need standards"

I agree with you. I wouldn't want the Fed's controlling elections but they could certainly put out minimum standards to ensure fair elections, reduce the opportunity for voter fraud, reduce the opportunity for machine failure and/or tampering and ensure timely access to voting booths.

8 posted on 11/13/2012 9:19:32 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: wintertime

He either fails to understand or is a coward.
Rush Revere is a coward , he is too rich , too comfortable to chance having his empire challenged or to lose a sponsor... just add it to the other things he “doesn’t understand” like eligibility or the economic collapse in 2008.

9 posted on 11/14/2012 3:31:02 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
You want owe-bama’s federal government to count the votes???


10 posted on 11/15/2012 1:33:10 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

You want owe-bama’s federal government to count the votes???
I never said that , just said I want nationwide standards to ensure that votes are valid...


Read this thread ,, you’ll find posts by me which might be educational for you.

11 posted on 11/15/2012 3:43:18 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: wintertime

What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about Patraeus' sex life.

Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

There’s overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here



>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! ‏@PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified. Here’s What You Can Do: - Here

Excerpt from Mitt Romney's reference:

These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here


SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:

>Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. …DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud

>Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.


The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

Sign this petition- Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Atlas Shrugs has a list but cannot copy link. Contains video of eyewitness pollwatcher who verifies busload of Somalians. Google 'Atlas Shrugs voter fraud list'

Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount? If you wish to add your voice, click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here


Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

Join us!! See thread, 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here

12 posted on 11/15/2012 4:27:54 PM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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