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Two Good Things, and It's a Stretch, About the Re-Election of President Obama
The Pat Fish Blog ^ | 11/9/12 | Pat Fish

Posted on 11/09/2012 7:38:32 AM PST by Fishtalk

So we have a new President who was our old President and let me state right now, big and clear, that I respect the will of the people.

The stock market plunges and no one should be surprised at this. Anybody who ever succeeded in achieving a comfortable financial life is now the target but hey, the people have spoken. And the people want free cell phones and food stamps, the hell with working.

There are two good things to have come from the re-election of President Obama. It's small comfort but let's look at the bright side.

First, I really fretted over the notion of this country essentially "firing" America's first African-American President. Sure he deserved it. But golly gee, now that there's nothing we can do about it, I get some comfort that at least the race nuts won't be able to beat us up for the next four years our ugly racist selves who wouldn't even give the hard-working Barack Obama a second chance, that he was just a token not to be tolerated beyond one term.

Second, and this is the big one, it's time for the Tea Party to rise on its own, completely removed from what is the current Republican party.

Lessee…..Dole, George H.W. Bush ("Read my lips, no new taxes", George Dubya Bush (a two termer for sure but his failure to defend himself or his policies caused Conservatives great pain), John McCain and now, Mitt Romney.

I say the GOP Blue Bloods have had their chance. Let's not throw them over, have an overt revolution for the yappy media to snark on.

I've outlined my ideas for the Tea Party rise from the ashes and I know, I know, I can hear y'all yelping now. "Separating from the Republican party will decimate our power."

And with Dole, McCain, et al, it's been astoundingly successful? It will take a while and for a bit the Tea Party will probably not win many national elections. Never forget that it was the GOP Blue Blood establishment that shoved the permanently tanned Charlie Crist at us (who is now a Democrat and Obama supporter as we always knew) as the Tea Party clamored for Marco Rubio. There are other examples but do not, under any circumstances, allow the Blue Bloods to tell us we know not what we're doing.

Here's a sneak peek at my outline for a Tea Party ascendency.

….Spend some time in reflection about Obama voters. Seriously. Do NOT knee-jerk them as stupid and dumb. Let's ponder what they want, their mindset. If they want free cell-phones, free stuff, hey, let's get the Koch Brothers to under-write some sort of giveaway campaign come next big election and hell bell's, let's give them free stuff. This cell phone thing with a free 120 minutes is way less expensive than the millions spent to advertise a Mitt Romney, advertisements ignored by many voters all busy with their free cell phones. We've got to think outside the box here.

….Let's take a close look at some of the active "leaders" of the Republican/Conservative party. Let's start culling them down. I've got a list of some of them who need to go, more on this later. For now, we are going to need the Rush Limbaugh's, the Mark Levin's, even the Huckabees who started the Chick Filet movement.

….Let's base the new Tea Party ascendency on all that we have in modern technology. Twitter, Facebook, Ipads, Bloggers. Once we get those we want to follow via Twitter or other means, may we never have to look at Charles Krauthammer's ugly face again telling us stupid stuff.

….We need to take it slow. I follow below with a list of GOP alleged spokesnoids, let's methodically pick them off.

….The Tea Party will have to methodically review its platform. Using Twitter, Bloggers, Facebook, we need to have a national discussion about our stands. I'll begin with saying that abortion is an issue we need to remove from the table. If nothing else, it needs to be a local issue, not something a presidential candidate should even be discussing.

Oh I know there will be howls from the Evangelicals and such but we've got to be practical. It's not a winning issue for Conservatives, at least on a national basis.

Okay, there's more ideas floating around in my head but for now, please, let's rid the world of those horrible GOP pundits who are always, always, always….wrong.

The list includes, but it not limited to:

Dick Morris-here's the guy who predicted a Condi/Hillary race in 2008 and a 315 electoral vote this past Tuesday. Why does this man collect a paycheck for constantly being wrong? How is giving a paycheck to one so totally not doing the job any different than giving Food Stamps to millionaire lottery winners?

George Will-here's a man so over-the-hill he makes me ill. He predicted an even bigger electoral vote victory than Dick Morris. George, your time has come and gone. Go away.

Charles Krauthammer-I'm sick of this man who hasn't had an original idea since Richard Nixon was President.

Peggy Noonan-please. This woman makes me ill.

Ann Coulter-put a fork in her, she's done. I used to admire Coulter and would emulate her writing style from time to time. But her craziness over Chris Christie was really off-putting. And didn't the Fat Man prove how horrible he is with his Obama slobberfest?

Bill Kristol-for the right price Kristol will stupidly repeat any Democratic talking point if they get it in in time for the next Sunday talk show

Let me end this short list with absolute WORST of them all: Karl Rove!

Rove is the guy who advised Dubya to not defend himself against the shrill hysteria of the liberals as regards Hurricane Katrina, no weapons of mass destruction. He's also the guy who works against so many of our local Tea Party candidates such as mine own state's nomination of Christine O'Donnell. Rove failed miserably this past election so please, let's throw him and his whiteboard out.

I will be blogging more in the future on my outlined suggestions for a new Tea Party. For now, come on, turn off that TV whenever the producers choose to feature Rove, Morris or the others lecture us, losers that they are.

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 7:38:37 AM PST by Fishtalk
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To: Fishtalk

Whoever thought you could win by losing, probably lost.

2 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:25 AM PST by RangerM
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To: Fishtalk

I agree with both points, the race card won’t be able to be played as much in politics, and the Tea Party must rise from the ashes of the Republican party and be ready for 2016.

3 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Fishtalk

“Oh I know there will be howls from the Evangelicals and such but we’ve got to be practical. It’s not a winning issue for Conservatives, at least on a national basis.”

Those annoying 20 million evangelical voters

4 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:14 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Fishtalk

Ping, great post. It is time for the tea party to break away and stand on it’s own. The Republican party is dead, well not totally dead it still will be blamed for all the ills that are coming down the pike.I think the best approach for congress is to give berry what he wants. If 100,000 teacher’s is good, 200,000 must be better. Lets give France a run for the money. If a top rate of 39% is good, gosh 75% must be better.The rich will not pay this rate, they will find away around it like they always do. But the clueless in Hollywood will come unglued.

The ship is sinking, and its time to get off the boat. The faster it hits bottom the faster WE can rise it up and steer it on the right course again. It’s going to take something like the tea party to right this ship. The republican party as a whole is as clueless as the left is right now and I see nothing but the same coming from them in the future.

Time to fish or cut bait!!

5 posted on 11/09/2012 8:19:40 AM PST by woodenickel
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To: Reddy

Another consolation. Mitt is 65 and even though he could have retired years ago - he chose to serve his country. He won’t be the one with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He can travel, jet ski, spend time with his beautiful wife, sons and grand kids. Sounds like he got the better of the deal.

6 posted on 11/09/2012 8:26:06 AM PST by Catsrus (WANT)
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To: woodenickel

You got it down pat.

Please let us begin by throwing Kristol and Rove off the cliff. Let’s show Ann Coulter how dolts who worship RINO Fat Governors end up. Peggy Noonan?

These people need to go. And I believe we have the power to do it. This would be a perfect place for the power of the Tea Party.

Everytime Fox has that awful, awful Rove guy on, call them up, write an email. There are plenty of good pundits out there, do we really need these liars constantly, eh, to lie about everything?

7 posted on 11/09/2012 8:28:47 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Fishtalk
>>>I'll begin with saying that abortion is an issue we need to remove from the table. If nothing else, it needs to be a local issue, not something a presidential candidate should even be discussing. <<<<

Totally, WRONG!

a) Abortion is a winning issue nationally for pro-lifers. Pro-lifer and anti-lifers are about equal in numbers, but Pro-lifers, are generally, FAR more passionate about it and much more likely to make abortion a deal breaking issue than pro-murder in the wombers.

b) Even if it were a losing issue, we need to stand on principle. The murder of over a million, innocent unborn babies is the single, most important issue of our time. I'm glad our Republican ancestors didnt’ say, “We just need to remove that silly slavery issue from the table.”

c) Where the GOP stumbled this cycle was by a couple of well meaning individual candidates making awkward remarks, while falling into the leftist, anti-life trap of discussing the minutia of the abortion issue, rather than the meat of it.

We need to get much better at shifting the focus off the perhaps hundreds of abortions that occur due to rape or incest, and focus on the million plus convenience abortions that are committed every year.

When a leftist, pro-deather says, “What about victims of rape and incest”, instead of babbling on about “legitimate rape”, or whether a child by rape is God's will, we should say something like:

“Instead of focusing on the very rare cases of abortions due to rape or incest, let's focus on the the million plus, totally elective, convenience abortions. If the Democrats are offering to ban all other elective abortions, in exchange for allowing a rape and incest exception, we have a deal! Here is a constitutional amendment to do just that. I trust, that now that we have removed the rape/incest obstacle, our Democrat colleagues will enthusiastically support it!

While we still believe these abortions are morally wrong, it would be even more wrong to allow over a million to be killed each year, to save perhaps a few hundred, that will die anyway, without this deal.”

This would put the ball the pro-death, Demoncrats court. They obviously won't accept such a deal and it will reveal to those in the middle, that they don't really care about rape victims, but are only using them to push their pro-death agenda.

8 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:10 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Catsrus

I liked Mitt, I did. Of course he was running against evil as I saw it. I was against Mitt as the nominee right along but once he secured it I marched lockstep, believing that Obama was so beatable it would be short work.

And our guy didn’t win with all the money he had and against an awful sitting President?

THIS election should be the last time we accept the guys offered up by the Blue Blood GOP. Time for us to admit that they don’t know what they are doing and go off on our own.

What’s that you say? That if we splinter apart we will lose elections?


As if Dole, McCain, Romney were great victors.

First, as I cannot say enough, let’s fire the silly pundits who know less than any one Freeper commenting on this thread.

10 posted on 11/09/2012 8:34:17 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Above My Pay Grade

I knew the abortion thing would rattle cages.

First, come on, I do like your re-phrasing of the stupid, stupid arguments offered by our GOP senator wannabes re no pregnancy from rape, etc.

BUT your offering of abortions ONLY in the case of incest and rape will not work; it’s what Romney and other GOP elites who don’t want to deal with abortion say automatically.

If I’m pregnant and want an abortion, no problem.....I tell them I got pregnant with my brother. Or that late date I had that ended up in the back seat, well I wanted my date to stop but he didn’t so technically I was date-raped.

It will save no unborn babies and it’s just silly and naive to think it will.

And if the stance is that ALL abortions should be illegal, hey I can see the commercial now, a 12 year old girl stands with big belly. A voice in the background tells the viewer that she was raped by her father and the Republicans/Tea Party types now demand that she suffer the bearing of her father’s child.

If you don’t think the libs will do this, I got a bridge to sell, cheap. Now slightly under water due to Sandy but I’ll sell it for a dollar to anybody believes the above won’t happen.

This is a case where we use our advanced technology such as Twitter, Facebook, even FreeRepublic if it’s working, to discuss our concerns, perhaps reach a concensus of some sort.

It’s a losing issue. Which is not to say it should be ignored. It should be dealt with in local races but dear Lord do you know how damn dumb our guys sound when they say a raped woman will not conceive?

There’s got to be a better way.

11 posted on 11/09/2012 8:44:35 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Fishtalk

Oh, and that bit about abortion being legal for the health of the mother....I can see it now.

“It’s imperative that Janey have this abortion as having a baby would greatly upset her.”

There you go, give Janey an abortion for her mental health.

Y’all are deceiving yourselves if you think any of that silly talk will ever be taken seriously.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 8:48:17 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Fishtalk
If stupidity was a disqualifier Obama and Biden wouldn't be in office right now.The problem isn't people saying the occasional stupid thing- there is no such person as one who will not say or write something that can be used to thrash him with. Even a failure to say something can be used to thrash a person.

The problem is that when our guys say the right things, things that will resonate, they get no coverage, and seem to be unable to figure out a way to get the message out.

Even Saddam Hussein got his message oout. Maybe we need to start buying reporters Mercedes autos as he did.

13 posted on 11/09/2012 8:52:05 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Fishtalk

I guess you have never heard of DNA testing (or seen the Maury Povich show)? Incest can be 100% proven or disproven be simple tests.

To get an abortion under a rape exception, a woman would have to file a police report and have a rape kit done.

You seem to be looking for any exuse to get conservatives to surrender to the pro-death agenada. If we do that, we might as well just become Democrats.

14 posted on 11/09/2012 8:59:56 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: piasa

You bring up such a good point.

And you are right.

The Tea Party that will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes of this election will have to deal with a compliant media.

This is where The Wise I sees technology as our friend. Remembering you got to think out of the box and so I shall.

Consider the Benghazi thing. For weeks on end I heard Obama and Rice and Clinton lie and yet somehow, with the help of the very svelte Candy Crowley, managed to put doubt in the public’s mind that it might have been called a “terror attack” right from the start.

I’d decided, as would many of my brethren readers on this thread, long ago as I’ve had to do out here in Realville for yea many years, that the administration had lied about Benghazi in about two days, now let’s talk about why.

Instead the shiny new Tea Party would be fashioned much like our opposition party, the Republican, would use electronic polls (yeah we’d have to work hard on security) to gather the opinions of our members. The new Tea Party would have collectively decided oh in about a couple of days, that the administration was lying about Benghazi.

And instead of agonizing days and days and days of the media tripping all over themselves, including Fox, we could then blast email ABCCBSNBCWAPONYT whoever whoever with demands that we move the narrative along.

Remember, our major strength is in our numbers, witness Chick Filet.

The benefit the Blue Blood GOP and the Dems got from us was the rarity of our collective actions.

I say we use those collective actions and with the right leaders and pundits and scribes such as myself, we could quite effectively use our numbers and there’s no reason not to.

Don’t get me started. I got an idea here and I think I’m waaaaay smarter than Dick Morris and I don’t suck toes.

15 posted on 11/09/2012 9:05:41 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Above My Pay Grade

You may have the last word.

16 posted on 11/09/2012 9:08:17 AM PST by Fishtalk (
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To: Fishtalk

There is a better way -
Instead of trying to make Planned Parenthood look evil (it is) - the Tea Party should offer alternatives. Open up counseling centers/adoption centers for a start - GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

17 posted on 11/09/2012 9:48:00 AM PST by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: Reddy

Good post! The GOP needs to re-think many of its ways and ideas. The Moderate wing should be pushed aside.

18 posted on 11/09/2012 11:03:51 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Fishtalk

Can all of us that were dupped by the republican party say............TEAPARTY!!!!!

19 posted on 11/09/2012 11:12:50 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: ronnie raygun

There must be some way to avoid main stream media and still reach the public. We need our own channels to hell with them. We shouldn’t even quote them. I never watch them myself. They are just liars and commies.

20 posted on 11/09/2012 12:46:46 PM PST by Cowgirl
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