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1 posted on 11/09/2012 7:38:37 AM PST by Fishtalk
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Whoever thought you could win by losing, probably lost.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:25 AM PST by RangerM
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I agree with both points, the race card won’t be able to be played as much in politics, and the Tea Party must rise from the ashes of the Republican party and be ready for 2016.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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“Oh I know there will be howls from the Evangelicals and such but we’ve got to be practical. It’s not a winning issue for Conservatives, at least on a national basis.”

Those annoying 20 million evangelical voters


4 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:14 AM PST by MNDude
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Ping, great post. It is time for the tea party to break away and stand on it’s own. The Republican party is dead, well not totally dead it still will be blamed for all the ills that are coming down the pike.I think the best approach for congress is to give berry what he wants. If 100,000 teacher’s is good, 200,000 must be better. Lets give France a run for the money. If a top rate of 39% is good, gosh 75% must be better.The rich will not pay this rate, they will find away around it like they always do. But the clueless in Hollywood will come unglued.

The ship is sinking, and its time to get off the boat. The faster it hits bottom the faster WE can rise it up and steer it on the right course again. It’s going to take something like the tea party to right this ship. The republican party as a whole is as clueless as the left is right now and I see nothing but the same coming from them in the future.

Time to fish or cut bait!!


5 posted on 11/09/2012 8:19:40 AM PST by woodenickel
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>>>I'll begin with saying that abortion is an issue we need to remove from the table. If nothing else, it needs to be a local issue, not something a presidential candidate should even be discussing. <<<<

Totally, WRONG!

a) Abortion is a winning issue nationally for pro-lifers. Pro-lifer and anti-lifers are about equal in numbers, but Pro-lifers, are generally, FAR more passionate about it and much more likely to make abortion a deal breaking issue than pro-murder in the wombers.

b) Even if it were a losing issue, we need to stand on principle. The murder of over a million, innocent unborn babies is the single, most important issue of our time. I'm glad our Republican ancestors didnt’ say, “We just need to remove that silly slavery issue from the table.”

c) Where the GOP stumbled this cycle was by a couple of well meaning individual candidates making awkward remarks, while falling into the leftist, anti-life trap of discussing the minutia of the abortion issue, rather than the meat of it.

We need to get much better at shifting the focus off the perhaps hundreds of abortions that occur due to rape or incest, and focus on the million plus convenience abortions that are committed every year.

When a leftist, pro-deather says, “What about victims of rape and incest”, instead of babbling on about “legitimate rape”, or whether a child by rape is God's will, we should say something like:

“Instead of focusing on the very rare cases of abortions due to rape or incest, let's focus on the the million plus, totally elective, convenience abortions. If the Democrats are offering to ban all other elective abortions, in exchange for allowing a rape and incest exception, we have a deal! Here is a constitutional amendment to do just that. I trust, that now that we have removed the rape/incest obstacle, our Democrat colleagues will enthusiastically support it!

While we still believe these abortions are morally wrong, it would be even more wrong to allow over a million to be killed each year, to save perhaps a few hundred, that will die anyway, without this deal.”

This would put the ball the pro-death, Demoncrats court. They obviously won't accept such a deal and it will reveal to those in the middle, that they don't really care about rape victims, but are only using them to push their pro-death agenda.

8 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:10 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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Can all of us that were dupped by the republican party say............TEAPARTY!!!!!


19 posted on 11/09/2012 11:12:50 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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Amen Fishtalk.
They warn that “Separating from the Republican party will decimate our power.”

I reply, “Power to do what? To go on losing MORE elections?”

The blue-haired bloody mary crowd currently at the controls of the GOP will not let go. So our only path is to go our own way. If there are enough citizens who believe as we do, and join us, we will succeed. If not, we will be little worse off than we are right this minute.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 2:42:58 PM PST by Tucker39
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P.S. I might add that if a full-blown dictatorship is what results from the devolution of our Country, then all bets are off.....until such time as conditions emerge in which we can, like the the people of Romania, line OUR Caucesceu and his wife up against the wall and pronounce ourselves free men once again.

The caveat is, you and I might no longer be around to see that day, nor even might Mr. & Mrs. Oblamer. In fact, I don’t even believe it myself. That was just a possible scenario.

I believe we are very close to the Rapture of the Church, the 7 years of the Great Tribulation, aka, Jacob’s Trouble, and the end of The Times of the Gentiles, The Millenium, the Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth, followed by The Last Judgment, etc., etc., not necessarily precisely in that order. Then will come New Heavens and a New Earth, The Marriage Supper of the Lamb, and our eternal reign with Christ.

Beyond that, I have nothing upon which to base this, but since I know God is a bigtime operator, I believe that, rather than sitting on a cloud, plunking on one of those primitive little harps, we will spend eternity in our glorified bodies like Christ had when He walked out of the tomb on that first Easter Morning, developing the Universe to the Glory of God, and whatever else He has planned.

Psalms 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 3:10:04 PM PST by Tucker39
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