Skip to comments.The Church Re Elected President Obama
Posted on 11/08/2012 9:43:33 AM PST by massmike
Yes, you read that title correctly.
In total Obama received more support from religious groups than did Romney, but there are some rather surprising totals in the individual listings. First of all, you have the Catholic vote. As we all know there was a huge issue this year when the Supreme Court ruled on ObamaCare because of the mandate that violated the religious freedom of the Catholic Church. It is against the Catholic teaching to use contraceptives or have an abortion, and within this bill is a mandate forcing Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives and abortificient drugs, within their insurance, to their employees. This was a huge deal, AND YET 50% of the Catholic vote went to him?
Then we have the Jewish vote. This is even more surprising because Obama has made it clear in no uncertain terms that his support is with Muslims. You know, the people who hate Jews and want to kill them where ever they find them.
So why then does he receive a whooping 69% of the Jewish vote?
And need I point out the disproportionate amount of black Christians voting for Obama? Need we go there?
This is unacceptable. Before America can have a revolution, the Church must have a revival. This country was founded on Christianity and yet Christians have failed this country in many ways.
This man? This is the man you vote you for? This man who says this is no longer a Christian nation? This man who looks down his nose at people who cling to their guns and bibles? This is you want to rule over you? A man that is disgusted by your faith and works hard at eradicating it completely from the public?
Wake up Church! Wake up Christians! Wake the hell up!
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The “Church” is made up of the “faithful”.
Showing up once in awhile doesn’t make one a faithful Catholic.
Many Bishops and Priests spent considerable time and energy, informing their congregants of their responsibility.
The “Church” is fine in that regard.
It is the pretender in need of examining his conscience.
For some reason our voters stayed home. If Romney had just added a few hundred thousand votes to McCain’s total he would have won.
It just may be possible that the words of Ronaldus Maximus below have never rung more true.
Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors, which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
I think Romney would have been great on the economy but was he just to “pale” to bring out our voters?
I am a practicing Catholic who has been exasperated by the Catholic bishops’ knee-jerk political liberalism (except for abortion), yet even I don't blame the Catholic Church for the Catholics who helped elect Obama. I'd say 90% of the Catholics I know who go to church every week or almost every week voted for Romney. Of the Catholics I know who go about once a month and on Christmas and Easter, about 70% voted for Romney. As for all those Catholics who never go to church...they are not Catholic; they are “Catholic” and I'd bet 90% of them voted for Obama.
In my personal opinion, most Catholics vote like Jews. They get pilloried by Democrats, but they keep right on voting en mass for them.
1: bamboozled by the treatment of the issue in the MSM ("War on women", all about contraception, as if it would be banned somehow without Obamacare..., and the incessant diminuition of the fundamental Rights to practice one's religion and the Right to life, itself)
2: placing greater priority on 'gimmes' than their spiritual future.
Romney's track record on the issues wasn't in clear contrast to Obama's, either (BIG BOO-BOO GOPe, and many of us said so early on).
Without a clear choice on the issue (Obamacare versus Romneycare, even though Romney said that was a State matter, not Federal), it appears people voted for free phones, etc.
Keep in mind that there are swarming hordes who haven't seen the inside of a church in ages who consider themselves "Catholic", including such notables as Kennedys and SanFran Nan...though it is not mine to judge.
Throw some fraud into the equation as well.
It was clear that there was at least one candidate who was morally unacceptable due to his stances on abortion, gay marriage, and the promotion of a fictitious "right" for contraception even when this means infringing upon the genuine Right to religious freedom of others -- 50% of Catholics voted for him anyways.
I would argue that the bishops should have been more clear that pResident 0bama was a morally unacceptable choice. Too many priests and bishops waffled on it, saying "these are the issues, now go vote your conscience." In days past, when most Catholics had properly-formed consciences, perhaps that would have worked. Today, too many Catholics have malformed consciences for the bishops to approach it this way.
Some people were saying that evangelicals would not vote for a Mormon. It looks like that may have been true, at least to some extent.
Some within the visible church have priorities that trump what either the Church or the Bible says. Hispanic Catholics obviously care about something else more than they care about church teachings or matters of faith. Same with Blacks.
Right now I’m trying to decide whether to de-friend a friend of mine who is an LCMS pastor and has been posting a bunch of stuff in support of Obama. His wife was my roommate in college and talked about being so pro-life and was LCMS Lutheran also, but we got in a big argument back in 1993 when she was gung-ho for Clinton. Her justification was that Clinton would increase welfare and that would be a way that Christians could make sure the poor got help. I told her that if Christians had their own money they could make sure the poor got help from somebody who could also tell them the saving news of Jesus, who alone offers real change in people’s lives. Nope. The government was her answer to life’s problems. She had grown up in a democrat, union household and that was just that. The government is her god. She can talk the talk about Jesus being Lord and all that, but when push comes to shove the one she trusts as the answer to people’s problems is government.
And her husband seems to have gone the way of Old Testament Israel, being led astray by an (basically, in her heart of hearts) unbelieving wife.
We haven’t been in contact and I’ve only recently spent much time on Facebook so I wasn’t aware of what was going on. Now I really don’t want to hear from either of them and need to figure out whether I’m just angry, afraid to engage with them, or rightly shaking the dust off my feet. I don’t even know how to de-friend somebody so I haven’t done it. I suppose the Matthew passage means I should go to them privately and try to win them over. Sigh.
While I fully agree with the message that Christians are supposed to be salt and light to this country, that's not the endgame the liberal press is driving this narrative towards. The overwhelming majority of evangelicals who showed up at the voting booth did in fact vote for Romney, but that's not today's narrative. Instead, the press takes the one group that poll exits show voted overwhelmingly for Romney, and tells the nation that this same group should be blamed for the next four years, because they sat out the election?
Does anybody smell a set-up here, besides me?
Naturally, from a voting point of view, this fact should be read in light of one determining factor: religious practice. Catholics and Protestants who go to church every week chose Romney over Obama with a difference of 20%, whereas the Democratic candidate was 25% ahead in terms of the votes gained from individuals who practiced their faith less regularly.
The GOP has problems with blacks, Latinos and single women. They need to appeal to those groups somehow or be locked out of the White House.
In America, the naive dictate the fate of the wise. What a colossal train wreck!
The church is big on charity, which is great, but they merged with government to help them collect funds for the charity - charity by force.
Because they got the 30 pieces of silver they wanted, they overwhelmingly supported big government. The congregation simply followed their leaders.
Now, Satan has turned on them, and desires to devour their flesh. How do they turn to their congregation and say "We want them to steal money for us for the sake of the poor, but now it's time to reap what we've sown. Please pray for us and help us get out of this mess we've created for ourselves. "
No offense Catholics. Your hearts were in the right place. It was the for site that was lacking. When you dance with the devil - you get burnt.
This is a teachable moment for Catholics. Charity through the heart - and only from the heart - is truth. Only the truth will keep you free.
But if they are totally on board with the entire Obama agenda except for that one paragraph about abortion and contraception, I have no time for them.
One of the major problems in Church is that they think they will win over the pagan by giving them stuff with no strings attached. Toy drives, food drives, clothing drives...who shows up for the goodies?? The same people who voted for a man who believes in infanticide and homosexual marriage. Take a look at the Christmas tree in your church lobby next month. Is it filled with the names of the children of hardworking members who show up a serve? I am just rereading Marvin Olasky’s “The Tragedy of American Compassion”. We have created a welfare entitlement monster.
Romney cut into Obama’s 2008 percentages with Catholics, Jews, and even the overall Protestant vote. Obama lost support in almost all of those listed. The problem is that Romney didn’t get his base out there.
Bush 2004 out performed Romney 2012 with Mormons?????????
The difference is that there are huge splits in the Catholic vote, for example La voted 70% for Mclame in ‘08, while NM voted 70% for Obama in ‘08. All we hear of is a national number, which is pretty useless considering splits like that by state, in my opinion.
I would love too see a complete breakdown of the 2012 Catholic vote by state but I guess it is secret information or something and must be hidden. I did see one article that said Ohio Catholics voted for Romney by 9 points.
The GOP has problems with blacks, Latinos and single women. They need to appeal to those groups somehow or be locked out of the White House.
For that to happens the GOP must embrace more welfare and entitlements, open borders, and free contraception and abortions. And even if/when that day comes? True conservatives won't support that RINO candidate. And America will elect the liberal democrat anway. And a repeat of 2008 and 2012 will be the norm.
No, the only way the GOP will be relevant some day will be in an "I told you so" manner. When (not if but when) America fails socially and economically, we conservatives who are left will have to pick up the pieces of a broken, failed America and try to re-introduce sound fiscal and Constitutional principles once again.
When we found out Romney was our candidate, most of us freaked, NO WAY!! He was pro-abort, wanted carbon taxes, presided over homosexual pseudo marriages when his veto pen could have prevented them all, forced Romneycare on the people of his state, and much, much more. When he decided to run for the presidency, he buried it all.
We wanted to stop Oboma. WE sucked it up like fools and supported the Mass. liberal anyway.
Not everyone is as political as we are. They saw two terrible candidates - both liberal, and said screw it. (Especially those who pay taxes and are forced to pay for every liberal policy ever enacted. Neither candiate would have brought them noticable relief, so why bother?)
So-called Christians and Jews voted for the satanic party that booed God. They should be very afraid.
And what about Jews? Have they forgotten about Daniel Pearl? Have they seen the video of his execution? This isn't even really an 'Israel' issue as much as it is a 'Sharia Law' issue; A dire threat when your president is FUNDING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND FUNNELING WEAPONS TO OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS IN LIBYA.
Women (and men) who call themselves “Catholic” are just as likely to have non-marital sex and want free stuff as many other groups;plus for some strange reason Catholics are historically Democrats despite the Democrat Party’s record of tearing down religion and the traditional family.
There is no bigger supporter of the welfare state and thus welfare state politicians and the Dem party than the Catholic bishops. They love this destructive system based on envy, jealousy, covetousness, bitterness and theft. They promote this all the time and then they say oh, no, dont vote for pro-abortion candidates. Good luck with that. Choosing which sins are ok and which are not is kinda tricky business.
Most Christians would rewrite Jesus’s parable and take the golden talents from the man with 5 and give them to those who had fewer or none.
When it comes to the single woman's vote..."It's the crotch, stupid!."
I'd be offended if I was single and the democrats saw me as nothing but a crotch with feet.
Peopele DID vote their pocketbooks!
Those who already receive government goodies and those who expect to receive government goodies vote(d) Democrat !
obamacare’s provision to allow the un(der)employed adult sons and daughters on their parents health insurance for college years and beyond is saving those indulgent parents a lot of money.A couple people mentioned this to me;they didn’t want obamacare ended.
The Democrat Party has discovered it is possible to buy the people’s votes with the people’s money!
COnservatives should use every legal means to protect their assests from the government and also become more careful about charitable giving that goes to people who feel entitled;few anymore are grateful for assistance!
When Romney turned out to be our candidate, I'd say 90% of us freaked. WE didn't want him. Neither did the rest of the country - obviously.
In 2016, the stupid party will do the same stupid thing.
The GOP has problems with blacks, Latinos and single women. They need to appeal to those groups somehow or be locked out of the White House.”
No they have a problem getting out the conservative vote. If Carl Rove spent his money on a ground game instead of Ad’s ,that his buddies profited from, we would have won. Simple as that 300,000 votes in key states and Romney is president
Christianity lost it’s voice in the 60’s-—with Vatican II and the Jim Wallises of the pseudo-Christian platforms, both twisting and watering down Christian Theology and erasing Traditions and history and the concept of sin—giving rise to heresy and no resistance to socialist ideas. Actually embracing Fabian socialism-—that evil, sodomy cult that all the elites glorify at the Bohemian altars of Baal. It ended the likes of Archbishop Fulton Sheen and the Legion of Decency so children and adults could be easily corrupted and their “thinking” changed—transformed—flipped.
(Now, for those who think that is a “radical” statement-—no—it is normal in the Skull-and-Bones-type group of men who get together and sacrifice while wearing KKK-type costumes—to venerate Satan or Baal or the “architect in the sky” in homosexual orgies-—while they write and control curricula in schools and ideas in movies and music so your children will “think” a certain way.) Control ideas-—you control all perceived ideas. If you have your children in public school and plugged into the TV—they are being manipulated and formed by the sodomites-—Fabian Socialists. Their worldview will be the same. They will judge everything by “emotions” and thus, be easily manipulated. Intellect is grown by reading Classical thought and “doing” not sitting and absorbing the ideas of evil socialists.
Remember, Christianity is in direct conflict (should be) with Socialism, because socialism treats human beings as a means to an end. Never can the dignity of an individual be erased for the “good” of the collective. ALL Christians should HATE the evil of Socialism which Zero preaches. But many infiltrators of the Churches preach socialism and social “justice”—code for Marxism. Subsidiarity is necessary in Christian ideology—autonomy of the family unit.
Pastor Bonhoeffer wrote about the Christian Church in 1931 in America (Rockefeller, jr—Riverside) -—as being “Religionless Christianity” and he explains why. It is important because he was killed by Nazis because he noted the same loss of Christianity in Germany. Catholics self-destructed with Vatican II. Removed the awe and mystery and replaced “worship” with a syncretism which gives paganism and Islam credibility—never before done in Catholic Theology. Errors were noted and never corrected—still this syncretism and ejection of Traditions makes Catholicism no different than Lutherans. One World Religion scenario is still noted by many in the “Catholic” “faith” as the reason for the abrupt change in Catholic Theology-—anti-popes.
Infiltration of the Churches—all Christian ones by Fabian Socialists/Freemasonry—was noted in the encyclical by Pope Pius X in 1907. We have to kick the ideas of Marx (social justice) and “tolerance for evil”—out of the Christian Churches before there will be a Great Awakening—which is sorely needed.
Without Christianity, we will never be exceptional. It is the ideas of self-sacrifice and family which made this nation great and only comes from Christian Ethics.
Without commitment to family and children you will destroy reason and logic in the next generation-—the Laws of Nature— which are the formation of Reason (cause and effect)—which created the great Western Civiliation. We were built using the intellect with Faith in Higher Power....which led to the greatest freedom for the individual and women in the history of the world.
With homosexual marriage—you have lust and selfishness the center of a sexist, illogical view of “family”—which destroys Christian Ethics and leads to the denial of Natural Rights to children to have a loving mother and loving biological father-—the way God designed man to “flourish”. Children are warped under the homosexual paradigm—an artificial illogical construct of family destroys Reason in children and Laws of Nature (Common Sense)—like all homosexual societies (Samurai, Afghanis, all ancient civilizations where women were slaves/chattel—like Ancient Greeks and Rome, etc.)
Without Reason and Logic-—we implode-—or live like all the Middle Eastern countries where little boys can’t wait to have harems of boys when they grow up. Kill ethics and logic in children with homosexuality. It is the Fabian plan—google Sugar Keynes-—that Fabian Socialist whose ideas warped Harvard and all of America through our “educational” system of indoctrination.
Keynes is laughing at us from his hell-hole now in those states that uphold Vice with their passing of homosexual “marriage”. What stupidity and mocking of God!!! and Christianity!!! You tell me if this WASN’T the fault of the Christian Churches-—it was planned-—they were infiltrated to create a godless world where sodomy is the glorification of Satan—the new god. They are working for a One World Order-—where they invent their own religion where there is no sexual morality whatsoever. “Freedom” from God—Satan’s World.
The “rape” comments were a minor non issue in this election. They pale in comparison to the crap Biden was spewing out on a daily basis. Why bring that up?
The Church re-elected Obama
The Jews re-elected Obama
The Blacks re-elected Obama
The Whites re-elected Obama
The “Hispanics” re-elected Obama
How about Rove and Romney ran poor campaigns
Maybe next time the GOP could try nominating an actual Christian.
Worth a shot right?
Now we must support Obama! What ever he wants! Lets change the law so he can have a 3rd and 4th term! Congress should be rendered powerless (it already is ) Lets change the flay to include his face! lets change the name of the nation to the United States of Obama! lets elect his wife to supreame court! Lets set up his health care! Everyone needs to quit their jobs and go on welfare!
I thought of that and modified my tagline.
..And look who the OTHER candidate was!
I, too, wish the clergy would excommunicate Pelosi et al. However, the point of my post only was to rebut the idea that at least half of whom polls identify as âCatholicâ are so far from practicing that it as if I, a practicing Catholic, were to identify myself as Jewish because I eat kosher hot dog and once went to synagogue with a friend on Shabbat.
According to the statistical table most White Catholics vote like White Protestants. White Evangelicals balance out Black Protestants to bring up the percentage of Republican votes by Protestants. White Catholics don't vote as overwhelmingly Republican, so they don't offset Hispanic Catholics votes for the Democrats in the same way. But what I take away from the chart is that Protestant and Catholic voting isn't so different when race or color (or whatever you want to call it) isn't a factor.
I voted for every CONSERVATIVE on the ballot. Take that however you want.
Take that however YOU want.
So do 'hispanic' Catholics get taught a different social justice than the 'whites'? Now I have a flu bug and am not feeling peppy, but this hair splitting and excuse making just does not float. Joe Biden is a Catholic, regardless of what the lay people claim. How about that so called conservative democrat Bart Stupak, where does he fit in the excuse making. Realville is here and the numbers tell the story. You cannot honestly claim that 50% of Catholics that voted for Obama are 'hispanics' or part time church goers. And there is nothing 'hispanic' about Joe or Bart or Nancy, Roberts, I could go on and on naming non-hispanic elected liberal democrats. I also see the 'big boys' in the hierarchy of the Catholic religion supping and back slapping with the liberals more than I ever see them standing on any kind of 'religious' let alone faithful foundation. The alsmith dinner showed what fun it is to hang with the liberal crowd.
This election demonstrates by the numbers that American Catholics in majority are LIBERAL!
Akin didn't think it a minor issue - the MSM exploded over it and the GOP withdrew all financing of his campaign - he received a lot of pressure to withdraw. At any rate, both senate candidates lost and we really could have used those seats. In WI, where the other clown was from (Donnally I think his name is), the state assembly and senate was returned to all GOP majorities giving Walker free reign again.
Single women are afraid Roe will be overturned by a GOP POTUS via SCOTUS appointments -- it should be moved to the states like many other things to shrink the fed govt.
Overturning Roe v. Wade would help accomplish just that. Feds say it's legal, period. States declaring it illegal wouldn't have a leg to stand on in follow-on challenges.
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