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WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING
The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

Posted on 11/06/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Seizethecarp

To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.

Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.

An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.

Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


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To: Candor7

You’re closer than you know, mine is A RED BMW convertible!
And I’m a little older than the lass with the long blonde hair, but one is never too old to have a fling, is one? Now go and tell your family I wish them all a fabulous merry Christmas, and a very happy and properous new year. May the apple blossoms on your trees grow thick and smell sweeter than ever next Spring!


401 posted on 12/21/2012 10:12:49 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: rxsid

A similar scenario could be made for two children of the Muslim President of Egypt who were born in the USA when that father was a student/professor at a university. The eligibility quandary has not helped the USA. Think Obama.


402 posted on 12/21/2012 10:45:14 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: little jeremiah

http://www.johannesburghypnosis.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Field-of-Flowers.jpg

I saw this and it reminded me of you. My best wishes for a happy Christmas holiday and all the best imaginable for the New Year.


403 posted on 12/21/2012 10:45:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Merry Christmas to you and yours Fred! I bet Santa Claus will enjoy riding in your new sleigh, singing "Six White Boomers", LOL.

Klicka Har, Six White Boomers

It will be a very interesting New Year as the free world struggles with the absence of political, social and economic leadership.

When no politician will bite the bullet, it is a Maxim ( pardon the pun) that the bullet will bite them.

When the major social value is in establishing a utopian religion of "The Immaculate Kicking of the Can Down the Road," then every one is ordered , some on the pain of death,to get canned.

When matters of economy are regulated by executive order from a purposefully failing "presidency," which exists only by the unfailingly methodical inflation of its body politic by propaganda and a continuous campaign, then poverty is unavoidable.

The dark days of the enslavement of a hitherto free people are about to begin. At least some of us will be safe.The only quesstion is whether America still has the capacity to shake off its infestation of fascist fleas and other sundry fatal parasites that are killing their host.

404 posted on 12/22/2012 3:47:53 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fred Nerks; David; Polarik; All

“There’s very little common courtesy, and the one freeper with whom I had the longest, most productive FRiendship told me that I shouldn’t have engaged in a p+ssing contest with her, after she circulated my private mail to a ping list she admitted was 150 long.

“Were you on that list, Seizethecarp? Is that how you became so knowledgable all of a sudden? Because the person who offered to keep the material safe off-site circulated it? While we were still checking leads...”

Fred Nerks:

As was pointed out to you several times on the Mal-Val thread, it was you, yourself, who revealed your big secret that your “researchers” were pushing Valerie Sarruf as Barry’s mom based on nothing more than a morphing video put up by Polarik.

As to my being more broadly “so knowledgeable all of a sudden,” am a careful student of your claims, which I regard to be non sequitur conclusions piled onto previous non sequitur conclusions.

To All:

Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative violates numerous basic forensic principles of investigation and also violates elementary rules of logic.

Key delusional lynchpins of the Mal-Val narrative:

1. Mary Toutonghis’ 50-year-old memory of the age of her own child when she babysat a child in Seattle supports a conclusion that the babysitting event took place in January 1961, not January 1962. (Not!)

2. BHO Sr. sitting next to an Asian woman named Anne (and actually ID’d with a Japanese last name by the Cambodian, IIRC) validates a claims that BHO Sr. was married to a Filipina named Anna S. and had a child by her that was taken to Seattle in January 1961 and appeared in Polk and had her baby babysat by Mary Toutonghi. (Not!)

3. The fact that, in baby pictures, Barry resembles his half-brother David is PROOF that David didn’t exist and that Barry is actually David. (Not!)

4. The fact that a man in Ghana, Roman Obama, with the same last name as Barry happening to be within one year of Barry’s age but no factual family connection in evidence, leads by twists and turns to a conclusion that Roman is the son of BHO Sr. born in 1960 to a Filipina wife of BHO Sr. despite having no Filipino features and a total absence of evidence or testimony to any such wife or connection to BHO Sr. (Not!)

5. The fact that pictures of Barry cant morphed into pictures of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf supports an a priori claim that it must be true that they are his parents. (Not!)


405 posted on 12/22/2012 8:21:25 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: David

The foundation of the intent of ‘natural born Citizen’ means born in the US borders is completely shot by the immigration Act of 1790. Though the since dropped language was probably unconstitutional and hence why it was probably dropped. It indicated what was conisdered critical to be ‘considered as’ a ‘natural born Citizen’.


406 posted on 12/22/2012 10:42:42 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: little jeremiah

“1. Can an adopted child (even if un-adpoted later on) gain access to the original birth certificate and then if he wants to, make it public?

2. IMHO from reading research on FR since summer 2008, I do not think that the purported parents are the real parents. If that is the case, then the current President is using a fake ID. Aside from any forgeries, he is using someone elses’ name that he was not born with and never was issued via a legal name change.”

It is important to understand the difference between “date accepted” and “date filed” printed on a Hawaii OLFBC or COLB.

If “date accepted” is on either the Hawaii OLFBC or COLB, then it is indicative of the fact the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics has accepted the affidavit of vital statistics submitted to the registrar and sworn as true and correct by the signatures of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital administrator.

If “date filed” is on either the Hawaii OLFBC or COLB, then it is indicative of the fact the Hawaii registrar was sent a Court order to create a vital statistic record according the information provided by the Court order. So, if the Court orders the paternal parent to be Barack Hussein Obama Sr. with his race listed as “African,” then a COLB is created and it is filed as ordered.

We know Barack Hussein Obama II is his legal name because the Court ordered it when the Soetoro adoption was annulled. Previously, the Court ordered the OLFBC to be sealed and archived when the Soetoro adoption was finalized. Consequently, the OLFBC was sealed and archived after the Soetoro adoption was finalized, the Soetoro COLB was sealed and archived when the Soetoro adoption was annulled, and the Obama COLB with a “date filed” is the only vital statistical record that can be considered or examined in any Court or administrative proceeding. As far as the Courts are concerned, the OLFBC and Soetoro COLB do not exist and never have existed because they have been ordered sealed and archived.

Yet, Hawaii is one of the few states to allow adult adoptees to examine a copy of a sealed and archived OLFBC for genealogy purposes only. Consequently, Obama will never submit his OLFBC as evidence of his birthplace in any Court or Administrative hearing. A sealed and archived OLFBC can only be used for historical reference.


407 posted on 12/22/2012 11:22:09 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; Polarik; bluecat6; null and void; little jeremiah
Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative violates numerous basic forensic principles of investigation and also violates elementary rules of logic. Key delusional lynchpins of the Mal-Val narrative:

Your position on the substance of the actual events here is a sufficiently extreme rejection of the substantive evidence that no one is really paying much attention to you. You are so far off reality that the general consensus is that you are probably a Zero supporter and engaged in attempt to defuse the effort to smoke out additional hard data.

To be fair, the pictorial image manipulation and attempted identification of relationships based on images is not a reliable method of achieving proof--although in Zero's case, his skin color and features are very much like his mother and her family.

However there is now a fairly substantial body of hard information out there that constitutes a pretty conclusive rejection of virtually all the elements of the fairy tale and supports an alternative story that will be seen at some future date.

408 posted on 12/22/2012 12:44:36 PM PST by David
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To: Seizethecarp
...As to my being more broadly “so knowledgeable all of a sudden,” am a careful student of your claims, which I regard to be non sequitur conclusions piled onto previous non sequitur conclusions.

I have a huge problem with that statement, everything you throw at me is nothing but the conclusions you've reached yourself from the images and sources I have posted. If you didn't read the private mails that were circulated, which were originally intended to be kept off site as part of the research repository, that's the only other way.

I've shown what Mary said in her own words many many times, I've shown the mistake Charlette Le Fevre made about the date, I've shown the photograph of two little boys and asked 'who do you think they might be?' side by side with composites of the two children they resembled to the extent that anyone with an open mind might see who they were, I didn't beat anyone over the head with it. Yes, I indicated that there never was a David, but I also made it clear that no one else had been able to find him either.

People can make up their own mind, they have eyes. I showed the Background Search document from the PI which, when he placed a certain name into Search with nothing more than name and a STATE IN THE US - brought up the birthdate and details of an indvidual whose ethnicity was shown as Equatorial Guinea, which was the stated origin of the 31 year old student who was interviewed at the Lumumba University on Moscow in 1992. He said he planned to work for the World Bank, which is where he ended up for a time, and then showed at the Equatorial Guinea Consul in Accra, Ghana.

I don't recall issuing any proclamations that this man was the same man, I simply showed his photographs, the article and documents, and that allows the reader to reach their own conclusions.

The Polarik video was created by Polarik, he was carrying out his own research, he gave me the link, I found it of interest, I posted the link into FR comments, I had very little to say about it, the video asked it's own questions.

There's more, I could go on all the way through what you have written, and show that all I ever did was try to provoke THINKING to get out of the

his mother was SAD, she had the hots for an ugly black man 35 years older and had to go to Kenya to have a baby because her mother would have been so embarrassed

...bunkum, which is all you've ever had to offer, and about which you will attack anyone who doesn't come to heel over. Your tactic is painfully obvious, you run every cockamamy charge you make into a litany of unanswerable mush, you do that because you know, that were you to frame your comments into indiviual questions, I have the documents, the links to articles and the photographs to go with them...and would blow your unfounded accusations out of the water. You are, on this thread, for example, pulling rabbits out of hats that any newbie has never seen before and can't hope to know what breed or colour they are...but that's your MO, isn't it, RIDICULE because you know it works, so you keep repeating BS out of context because what you want more than anything, is for the reader NOT to be allowed to THINK.

I sure hope who-ever you are working for is paying you enough, I would hate to think you are a successful OBSTRUCTIONIST for nothing.

You gotta keep repeating yourself because you don't want me to show freepers any more. I planned a further segment on the question of who might Lolo Soetoro have been, but you don't want me to do that, do you? You ridiculed that in advance by your convoluted charge that the Indonesian story was going to involve a Lebanese context, a right-regular piece of BS misinformation that was, and no one, not even you could be that stupid, so it had to be deliberate.

Why does the potential truth scare you that much? Why the desperate need to destroy the credibilty of the only freeper on these threads who writes about who he might be and where he might have come from?

Remember, I'm only on the thread because you pinged me, if only to once more attempt to belittle me. You're a bully, and your tactics work because your disgusting behaviour drives any decent, honest freepers away. So, in their absence, I won't be adding any further information here. Like I already said, the only time you get any oxygen is when it comes from me, you boring little man.

409 posted on 12/22/2012 1:04:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: All; Fred Nerks

Per Fred Nerks’ faulty memory:

“There’s more, I could go on all the way through what you have written, and show that all I ever did was try to provoke THINKING to get out of the

“his mother was SAD, she had the hots for an ugly black man 35 years older and had to go to Kenya to have a baby because her mother would have been so embarrassed

“...bunkum, which is all you’ve ever had to offer, and about which you will attack anyone who doesn’t come to heel over.”

To All:

The comment above is the third time, IIRC, that Fred Nerks has posted the false claim that I have claimed that FMD is Barry’s dad as a fact along with a gratuitous smear of 53 year-old men of any race, in this case black. SAD was 18, so 35 years older would be 53 and supposedly UGLY, in Fred Nerks assessment of the handsome, dapper FMD who bedded women of all ages and races per his literary accounts. Fred Nerks has insulted the intelligence of FReepers by repeatedly posting pictures of 80-year-old FMD and inviting FReepers to judge him at that age as being repulsive and an impossible sexual partner for 18-year-old SAD.

I have only stated that FMD is one of two known black men in HI in 1960 with the means, motive and opportunity to have impregnated SAD and also to have interested parties with the financial means to have her spirited her off to Kenya for the birth of Barry.

Funding and motive for FMD could have been through KGB/Chicago Commie connections thus avoiding scandal undermining his Commie effectiveness by getting caught having impregnating a very young, white girl. For BHO Sr., possible KGB, Mboya or missionary resources could have been found prompted by a desire to prevent a scandal from getting him deported even earlier that similar scandals eventually did, thus derailing his promising political future career in Kenya. This could well be the motivation for a pregnancy cover-up trip to Kenya.

Given the facts revealed in INS FOIA docs that BHO Sr. WAS deported for sexually rampant activities including a pregnancy of a co-ed from Kenya resulting in her being sent to the UK abortion, it is not much of a stretch to imagine that parties deeply invested in his success would have put up the funds previously to pack off another pregnant girl to a foreign country, in this case Kenya not for an abortion, but for a delivery.

I have never claimed either man to conclusively be Barry’s dad. The forensic evidence is not there. But I have said that the very strong likeness between Barry and his half-brother David points towards them having the same father, but only DNA could prove that.

Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative and his a priori investment in it seems to motivate him to stalk, hijack and spam eligibility threads to contest any evidence that BHO Sr. MIGHT be Barry’s dad or that SAD MIGHT be his mom and to assert delusional confabulations pointing to Malcolm X being the father and Varlerie Sarruf being the mother.


410 posted on 12/22/2012 3:08:01 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
...the handsome, dapper FMD who bedded women of all ages and races per his literary accounts...

...and in his wet dreams, no doubt.

411 posted on 12/22/2012 4:04:06 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: David; LucyT; All; Fred Nerks

“You are so far off reality that the general consensus is that you are probably a Zero supporter and engaged in attempt to defuse the effort to smoke out additional hard data.”

Straight-up Alinski tactic, David.

You presume to know that there is a FReeper “consensus” that I am probably a Zero supporter?

You, David, have taken the lead in calling the U of WA’s SADO transcript a forgery when it is obviously cross-corroborated “hard data.” If Corsi dared to put up a forged State of WA archived document of the President’s mother online don’t you, who have claimed to be a lawyer, IIRC, believe that an Obot member of the WA bar, U of WA legal department or Law School, not to mention the DNC lawyers eager to get even for Corsi’s successful Swift Boat attack on Kerry...don’t you think there would be a stampede to haul Corsi into court for defamation and forgery?

I would think that Obots would be especially keen to get Corsi since his overwhelming proof that SADO attended U of WA from the fall of 1961 to the spring of 1962 DESTROYS OBAMA’s LITTLE FAMILY narrative. This narrative about the little family cherishing the dream of the US civil rights movement was the foundational myth behind Obama’s progressive holiness.

I sure would be a big failure as an Obot if I were to conclude that Corsi was correct in this instance and affirm it at every opportunity, wouldn’t I? Now you and Fred Nerks are the ones who appear to be trying to protect Barry by seducing FReepers into making fools of themselves by buying the Mal-Val narrative of Malcolm X as dad and Valerie Sarruf throwing gullible FReepers totally off the likely birth of Barry in Kenya, doubtless providing amusement at DU.


412 posted on 12/22/2012 4:11:07 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Candor7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MKg-AHA4tE

Silent Night, German Original Version from the year 1818. Stille Nacht Kapelle in Oberndorf Österreich. An diesem Platz wurde das Lied “Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht” am 24.12.1818 zum erstenmal gesungen. Die Kapelle erinnert daran.

It was composed in OBERNDORF where my grandmother was born.


413 posted on 12/22/2012 5:28:10 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Candor7; little jeremiah

and while I’m in the mood, don’t miss this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be


414 posted on 12/22/2012 7:55:11 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Merry BMW Christmas Fred!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEYIjZ2du8g


415 posted on 12/22/2012 11:48:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fred Nerks

Beautiful Fred! We have about 1 foot of snow here and the piece went very well with it!


416 posted on 12/22/2012 11:52:47 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: noinfringers2
I did think of Barry. It's why I posted the parallel to the irony.
417 posted on 12/25/2012 11:21:02 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Seizethecarp

“I would think that Obots would be especially keen to get Corsi..”

Ha Ha.
It’s always been clear that u were an Obot, and your sock puppet colleagues also.

Maybe u mean well, but even u have to wonder why all the lying....?


418 posted on 12/31/2012 2:51:57 PM PST by ABrit
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To: Fred Nerks; Seizethecarp; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot

“...the handsome, dapper FMD who bedded women of all ages and races per his literary accounts...” STC

Good grief! STC hasn’t seen my pictures or read my literary account in the Library of Congress! The trail of women extends across the continents!

To call a pedophile who “bedded” children including 0b0z0 (you can read 0b0z0’s own literary “poem,”) dapper, handsome and cite his stories and fantasies about himself in his own literary accounts is nothing less than the atrocity of 2012 in Time Magazine!

My, my, I’m glad it’s 2013!

Happy New Year all.


419 posted on 01/01/2013 1:53:40 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: melancholy

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

“Pop”

Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken
In, sprinkled with ashes,
Pop switches channels, takes another
Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks
What to do with me, a green young man
Who fails to consider the
Flim and flam of the world, since
Things have been easy for me;
I stare hard at his face, a stare
That deflects off his brow;
I’m sure he’s unaware of his
Dark, watery eyes, that
Glance in different directions,
And his slow, unwelcome twitches,
Fail to pass.
I listen, nod,
Listen, open, till I cling to his pale,
Beige T-shirt, yelling,
Yelling in his ears, that hang
With heavy lobes, but he’s still telling
His joke, so I ask why
He’s so unhappy, to which he replies…
But I don’t care anymore, cause
He took too damn long, and from
Under my seat, I pull out the
Mirror I’ve been saving; I’m laughing,
Laughing loud, the blood rushing from his face
To mine, as he grows small,
A spot in my brain, something
That may be squeezed out, like a
Watermelon seed between
Two fingers.
Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem
He wrote before his mother died,
Stands, shouts, and asks
For a hug, as I shrink, my
Arms barely reaching around
His thick, oily neck, and his broad back; ‘cause
I see my face, framed within
Pop’s black-framed glasses
And know he’s laughing too.


(Makes me feel sick when I read it.)


420 posted on 01/01/2013 3:26:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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