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Banning large sugar sweetened drinks is a start [The nanny statist speaks.]
KevinMD ^ | 6/15/12 | Mandy Huggins, MD

Posted on 06/16/2012 11:39:59 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

In an effort to combat obesity and all the health problems that are associated with it, New York mayor Michael Bloomberg recently announced a plan to ban the sale of sugar-sweetened drinks to 16 ounces or less. It also includes a $200 fine to vendors who violate it. If passed, the ban could take place as early as next March. The ban would not include diet drinks, juice-based drinks, or alcoholic beverages. It would also not include drinks sold at convenience or grocery stores.

So, my first reaction was, “Um, what’s the point? If I can’t get a large soda at the movie theater or the drive-thru, what’s stopping me from swinging by my local 7-Eleven to get my fill?”

It didn’t make sense to me.  But the more I think about it, I applaud the effort. I mean, you have to start somewhere, right? And who needs 32 ounces of soda at the movie theater? It just disrupts the movie with bathroom breaks. Seriously, though, Mr. Bloomberg should be recognized for his public health efforts. He banned both smoking and trans fats at restaurants, in addition to requiring restaurants to post their health grades in their windows. For a city in which at least half of the people are overweight or obese, I think it’s a fair start.

The New York City Beverage Association is speaking out against the ban; its members feel that the beverage industry is being singled out. Beverage companies say that drinks alone are not the cause of the obesity problem in the US. Are they correct? Obesity is a huge problem (forgive the pun) in this country. It’s outright scary. But it’s multi-factorial. People don’t exercise enough. Physical education programs are being cut from school curricula. Fast food is cheap and convenient. Healthy food is more expensive and doesn’t come from a drive-thru. And yes, portion sizes are huge. Think about a regular cheeseburger at McDonald’s versus the size of a burger at your local sports bar. When was the last time you saw a burger on a menu that was made of less than 1/3 lb of beef? The size of a bagel has increased three fold in the last 20 years. I’m also pretty sure that when I went to the movies as a kid, the “small” drink wasn’t as big as my head.

Another common argument against such policies is in reference to personal freedom. Let’s be honest – people aren’t exactly making the best choices with their “personal freedom” these days. The obesity rate is rising at an alarming rate, and so is the percentage of Americans without insurance or depending on government programs for healthcare. It is clear that obesity leads to multiple health problems. Should we encourage “personal freedoms” that can, and do, exacerbate these conditions? Especially if our tax money is funding them?

It’s a touchy area, I know. But as a taxpaying citizen and a physician who sees obesity and its consequences on a daily basis, I know that we have to start somewhere. And if it makes people a little angry, then so be it.

Mandy Huggins is a sports medicine physician who blogs on her self-titled site, Dr. Mandy Huggins.


TOPICS: Food; Health/Medicine; Local News
KEYWORDS: ban; dogooders; health; michaelbloomberg; nannystate; newyork; newyorkcity; nutrition; nyc; obesity; softdrinks
*facepalm*

The comments are interesting split between freedom-lovers and nanny-staters. John Stuart Mill is quoted.

1 posted on 06/16/2012 11:40:18 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

THIS BIG DRINK IS MAKING ME FAT! MAKE THEM STOP SELLING IT!

Or, you know, buy a smaller drink, or don’t drink it, or whatever you do, don’t get six refills while you’re at the restaurant. Or even better, how about firing each and every stupid idiot who thinks that this is a power that the city or ANYONE should have?


2 posted on 06/17/2012 12:20:40 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu
It's For Your Own GoodTM.
3 posted on 06/17/2012 12:38:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows



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4 posted on 06/17/2012 1:17:46 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
The size of a bagel has increased three fold in the last 20 years.

Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, a bagel at the local deli was only as big as a Cheerio.

5 posted on 06/17/2012 1:33:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Slings and Arrows

6 posted on 06/17/2012 1:37:55 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Slings and Arrows
No salt on the table and now this what's next? but it is for our own good, isn't it?
7 posted on 06/17/2012 1:50:39 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: BigEdLB

I like the song.

Dr Musso-Mandy is self-appointed, of course.


8 posted on 06/17/2012 2:24:28 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, a bagel at the local deli was only as big as a Cheerio.

And you had to five miles in a blizzard to get it. Uphill! BOTH WAYS!

9 posted on 06/17/2012 2:32:44 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JoeProBono

I empathize.


10 posted on 06/17/2012 2:33:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; ...
Should we encourage “personal freedoms” that can, and do, exacerbate these conditions? Especially if our tax money is funding them?

And that gets to the point of the matter, as Eric Blair 2084 has said. When the government is taking care of people's health, the taxpayers and government eventually see a duty to limit people's choices in order to save money.

Let's hope the Supremes overturn Obamacare.

Nanny State PING!

11 posted on 06/17/2012 2:52:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Do these bans apply to all the amnestied illegals, too, or to just us lowly citizens?


12 posted on 06/17/2012 3:04:05 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

13 posted on 06/17/2012 4:10:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Great graphic.


14 posted on 06/17/2012 4:17:50 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I don't think Dr. Stalin er Huggins goes far enough. I demand not only banning a lot of "comfort" foods, I think we should force grocery stores to sell only government approved foods and have "meal raids" where a newly created government agency to deal with these issues would have troops selecting homes at random to make sure people were eating properly.

Anyone found not eating government prescribed food stuffs would face lengthy imprisonment and fines. Children of the offending families would be given to government agencies. The sentences would be issued by a special court of food and meal officers, and there would be no appeals. Sounds like a democratic process to me. (smirk)

15 posted on 06/17/2012 4:32:28 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Slings and Arrows
John Stuart Mill is quoted

And misunderstood. Mill goes to considerable length to point out that the argument of "harm to others" only applies if it is a specific quantifiable harm to identifiable individual(s) not a amorphous general society.

Also one quite pertinent statement

The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited: He must not make himself a nuisance to other people - JS Mill
Society reformers take note
16 posted on 06/17/2012 4:34:17 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.- H. L. Mencken)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I lost my taste for soda when I was in my 40’s, don’t drink coffee anymore and i just drink tea most of the time.

You’re either free or you are not. It is always the liberals that want to enslave you, and voting them in will always invite them to put chains on you.

However, I would severely limit what food stamp recipients could buy. I get disgusted watching overweight people buy crap on my dime.

Blessings, Bobo


17 posted on 06/17/2012 4:37:07 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: JoeProBono

DAAAAMN.


18 posted on 06/17/2012 4:37:35 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Slings and Arrows

And the winner will be....the retailers selling soda in 15-ounce cups, or smaller, for the same, or higher, price.


19 posted on 06/17/2012 4:42:52 AM PDT by radioone
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To: Slings and Arrows

“The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog is.” —G. K. Chesterton


20 posted on 06/17/2012 4:43:58 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Soon we’ll have speakeasies where you give a password at the door and you can come in and buy a big soda.


21 posted on 06/17/2012 4:48:17 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Slings and Arrows

People get real. Liberals are forcing a higher tax revenue by reducing volume sales. This is a sneaky way to do it. That SOB could give a crap less about sugary drinks.


22 posted on 06/17/2012 4:52:12 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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23 posted on 06/17/2012 5:20:59 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Slings and Arrows
And who needs 32 ounces of soda at the movie theater?

Ever heard of sharing? When two 16 oz. drinks cost you a total of about $10 and one 32 oz. drink costs about $7.50, we buy the larger one and share.

24 posted on 06/17/2012 5:36:28 AM PDT by randita
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To: metesky

Dr Mandy doesn’t seem too hep on freedom.


25 posted on 06/17/2012 5:48:37 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: ari-freedom

Your proposal is acceptable.


26 posted on 06/17/2012 5:51:30 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Damn it, S and A, we're in the 21st century, not the 20th!

Hip is in, hep is out...

;O)

27 posted on 06/17/2012 6:05:32 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: metesky

I’m hep to it.


28 posted on 06/17/2012 6:35:30 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Exactly. The less the government does for me, the less it can justify exerting control over me.

The purpose of the Federal Government was to secure the borders, standardize units of measurement and currency, and safeguard my Rights.

Deciding how much of what I eat or drink is my purview, within the limits of my resources.

29 posted on 06/17/2012 6:59:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Jeeze Bloomie, I’m glad you are doing something about the obesity problem. Now I don’t have to step over all the obese people Michelle says are dying in food deserts to get to Circle K’s 44 ounce drinks for 89 cents.


30 posted on 06/17/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 06/17/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bobo1

No action is truly genuine unless it’s done voluntarily. Free from coercion by the STATE.

Private coercion from family is a different matter. That’s private.


32 posted on 06/17/2012 4:44:47 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Slings and Arrows

“Let’s be honest – people aren’t exactly making the best choices with their “personal freedom” these days.”

These people make me sick! Sadly, there are a few FReepers that agree....


33 posted on 06/18/2012 7:24:50 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

When the Constitution is dead and buried, the epitaph will read “It’s for your own good.”


34 posted on 06/18/2012 10:53:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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