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Fantasy Islam vs. Islam
Brussels Journal ^ | Sun, 2012-06-03 08:59 | Diana West

Posted on 06/11/2012 2:17:39 AM PDT by Olog-hai

In pointing out recently that Geert Wilders confounds Americans with his fearless clarity, one of the incidents I had in mind was an interview he sat for in May with The Daily Caller's Jamie Weinstein. …

The interview starts off smoothly enough with Geert Wilders' basic story and goals for his book Marked for Death: Islam's War Against the West and Me. Geert goes on to explain why Islam "should not be compared so much with other religions like Christianity or Judaism" but rather "to other totalitarian ideologies like Communism and Fascism. If we acknowledge that fact then you don’t have to treat it like a religion and a lot of problems can be solved far more –"

This a provocative and instructive point but Weinstein cuts him off, deflecting conversation to Israel, which doesn't have a more ardent supporter than Wilders ("Israel is a canary in the coal mine...a beacon of light in total darkness.. I believe we should all support Israel … in this "jihad against us all". …), to Islam and, at Weinstein's cue, Muslims. …

Geert states his basic position: that he has nothing against people, that the majority of Muslims in our society are law-abiding. He makes the distinction, à la Ibn Warraq, that there are moderate people who are Muslim, but, getting back to the concrete subject at hand, there is no moderate Islam. "Don't let anybody fool you who says Islam can be moderated," Wilders says. "There are not two Islams; there is only the Islam of the Koran, the Islam of the life of Mohammed, and the Islam of sharia law." …

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TOPICS: Government; History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: caliphate; islam; islamofascists; jihad; religionofpeace

1 posted on 06/11/2012 2:17:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

2 posted on 06/11/2012 2:46:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Olog-hai

I question the intelligence of anyone spouting the “Moderate Islam” garbage. The Koran says what it says and it is not ambiguous about it. “Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come kill him” is not some coded message of love. Nor is “Kill thee Infidel wherever you find him”.

Logically, to accept that there are two Islams, one would have to agree there are two Roman Catholicisms with two Popes. One following the Bible and one not. There is one Pope. There is one Roman Catholicism. There is one Islam.

A “moderate’ Muslim is one who would not kill the Jew behind the rock or the Infidel. And since that would be a violation of clear Islamic teaching, that person would be an Infidel by definition. “Moderate Muslim” is a contradiction in terminology. It simply cannot exist by definition. As such, people using the term and promoting it should be corrected with fact and not EVER allowed to spout a clear lie.

Make them explain logically how a person promoting a clear violation of a teaching can be an adherent/proponent of that teaching.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 2:48:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Olog-hai

I’ve come to a conclusion similar to Geert’s. Islam is a misogynistic totalitarian political system that uses religion as a beard and as a means of control of the masses. I am for a Constitutional Amendment delisting Islam as a religion due 1A protections.

Beyond that, see tagline.


4 posted on 06/11/2012 3:04:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Olog-hai

Seeking moderate islam is as big a waste of time as looking for the clean end of the turd.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 3:14:42 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Olog-hai
mo_and_devil2

6 posted on 06/11/2012 3:15:00 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Olog-hai
Meanwhile...I'm having much fun wearing my new T-Shirt I bought recently and I've lost track of how many dirty looks I get when sporting it downtown in Zombieville (Burlington) the most Liberal city in one of the most Far Left Socialist Republics of Utopian Moonbats....Vermont:

infidel shirt4

7 posted on 06/11/2012 3:20:24 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I would wear it proudly in the Constitution State. Did you make this or can I buy it?


8 posted on 06/11/2012 3:43:09 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Is keeping an official list of religions a legitimate function of the federal government?


9 posted on 06/11/2012 3:51:16 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: wastedyears

Which I am not proposing.

Nice straw man.


10 posted on 06/11/2012 3:54:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wastedyears

No, keeping a list of religions is not a function of the federal government but keeping a list of terrorist groups is required.


11 posted on 06/11/2012 4:05:30 AM PDT by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Please to note my tagline & make any additions to the target list. May I suggest the Aswan High Dam?


12 posted on 06/11/2012 4:18:46 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I’ve got a couple of these, which I alternate with Rush’s GITMO cap. Make the libs nuts!

https://www.lifelibertyetc.com/ProductImages/Hats/Infidel-Hats/ede6990b-ce2a-4ed1-9b4e-9d240145c107


13 posted on 06/11/2012 4:24:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals are willing to turn a blind eye to the evils inherent to Islam because they found that they can use Islamic practices to combat Judeao-Christian practices.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 4:33:26 AM PDT by kidd
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To: wastedyears

Yes. Unless you are okay with not validating the tax exempt status of those organizations.


15 posted on 06/11/2012 4:36:10 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Olog-hai

“Geert states his basic position: that he has nothing against people, that the majority of Muslims in our society are law-abiding.”

On the surface the author is right and that is the problem, because of the very nature of Islam. The surface of Islam is best known through its doctrine of taqiyya, or deception.

The problem with concluding that the majority of Muslims are “law abiding”, is that the law of Islam is that when they live in the House of War (countries where Sharia is not yet in force), they are to posture and live in general compliance with local laws and customs. However, every Muslim knows that that the instant they achieve sufficient strength, then they must be fully faithful Muslims.

Part of being a fully faithful Muslim is obeying the Sharia law that demands they kill any apostate. Further, this law claims that anyone who has ever been born a Muslim cannot leave Islam without being liable for execution.

The problem is not how “moderate” Muslims may genuinely want to behave when they are in the west, it is the change in attitude that Islam expects and demands in certain circumstances. Contrast this to Christianity, where the more closely a Christian studies the teachings of Jesus, the more they understand the commitment to having peaceful relations with others.

One of the most easily seen examples of the truth about moderate Muslims is when we see a moderate commit an honor killing and then be defended by his surviving family members. In their minds, yes they are all being “law abiding”. And that is exactly the problem. Which law?


16 posted on 06/11/2012 4:47:04 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: FreedomPoster

It is the only conclusion supported by the facts. Islam is a military, judicial, economic, social and political ideology of absolute domination with a false religious veneer to infect the simple and the foolish. It is more virulent and pestilential than National Socialism and demands butchery and moral travesty of its adherents. It obliterates the progress of the Enlightment and is an immediate existential threat to the West.

And with the exception of a few intolerable idiots, the countless thousands of United States military personnel who have seen the blood and murder of Islam up close are a future domestic political force to be reckoned with. The Lindberghs and Kennedys of today will inevitably give way to the Pattons and MacArthurs of the near future.

Our civilization will either foreclose kinetically on Dar al Islam or be destroyed with nuclear suicide.

It is a great strategic gift that Islam believes Obama to be representative of America’s committment to survival. That error provides opportunity to achieve reactive surprise; although I regretfully anticipate the loss of several American cities first.


17 posted on 06/11/2012 4:54:51 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: FreedomPoster

That would be a strawman arguement had you not said “..deleteing them from the list...”. Since you did, it was merely a question.


18 posted on 06/11/2012 6:12:16 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: FreedomPoster
” I am for a Constitutional Amendment delisting Islam as a religion due 1A protections.”

James Madison himself asserted that the First Amendment does not protect sedition masquerading as religion!

izlam’s goal is to overthrow the Constitution and impose sharia law; that's a pretty clear statement of “sedition.”

19 posted on 06/11/2012 6:24:02 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: Olog-hai

The single biggest mistake Wilders and everyone else makes about Islam is looking past it’s founder. You can’t separate a philosopher from his philosophy and a founder from his movement, it is him; he is it. Mohammed was a murdering, demon obsessed pedophile who today would be every bit the wanted criminal Osama bin Laden was. It’s where bin Laden and all j would worship a monster like Mohammed are evil too and the sooner this garbage about ‘’good Muslims’’ is dispelled than maybe there will be hope that Westerners will finally understand there is no such thing as a ‘’good Saracen’’(Muslim).


20 posted on 06/11/2012 11:48:28 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
If the bloody ‘’religion’’ were so ‘’peaceful’’, why the need for ‘’moderation’’? Wouldn't that make the argument it isn't ‘’peaceful’’? Ask someone that question.
21 posted on 06/11/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Kidding aside, the statement “Islam is a religion of peace” is 100% true to a muslim because the ‘peace of Islam’ is sharia law. Sharia law condones wife beating, sex with boys and animals and killing infidels. Ergo, a muslim doing those things is a muslim at peace. By the very definition of the term.

The infidel does not ‘understand’ that it could be much worse for them. So they must be lulled into a false sense of security by taquyya. So begins the idea of a ‘moderate muslim. In practice, a moderate muslim is any old garden variety muslim, but sent through the taquyya reality altering verbage filter for infidel consumption.

He then emerges as a walking contradiction which dhimmis gather round and lie profusely over to further a clearly impossible idea. As Gobbels discovered, a lie, repeated often enough, becomes the truth. Therefore, you have the existance of the moderate muslim in ‘fact’, word and deed.

When the moderate muslim commits an act of evil, it is not he at fault, but you. When the moderate muslim does a deed contrary to the moderate muslim lie, it only appears so because the infidel is not qualified to judge the heart of a muslim and only displays the islamophobia.

See? Simple. Now go and convert before a moderate muslim reads your blasphemy and causes more people to misread his intent to behead you.


22 posted on 06/11/2012 12:10:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

LOL! Seriously though does the ‘’moderate Muslim’’ fly the plane into the building or does he sit back and watch?


23 posted on 06/11/2012 1:48:29 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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