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100% Certainty of Total Catastrophic Failure of Entire Power Infrastructure Within 3 Years
SHTF PLAN/Nebraska Energy Observer ^ | 4/23/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 04/26/2012 10:36:42 AM PDT by Kartographer

As smart grid metering systems expand across the developed world, many are starting to ask whether the threats posed by the new devices, which officials promise will save energy and reduce end user utility costs, outweigh their benefits. In addition to documented health concerns resulting from radiation emissions and no cost savings being apparent, opponents of the technology argue that smart meters are violative of basic privacy rights and give the government yet another digital node of unfettered access to monitor and control personal electricity consumption.

Now, an alarming new documentary suggests that security problems with the inter-connected and seemingly convenient smart grid may be so serious that they could lead to a catastrophic failure of our nation’s entire power infrastructure.

In an interview for the upcoming documentary titled Take Back Your Power, Cyber defense expert David Chalk warns that our nation is in crisis. Not only are our smart power grids susceptible to hacking, but they may very well already be infected with Trojan viruses and back doors that will ultimately lead to disastrous consequences:

(Excerpt) Read more at nebraskaenergyobserver.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Science
KEYWORDS: electricity; powergrid; powergridvirus; preparedness; prepperping; preppers; selfreliance; shtfplan; smartmeters; survival; survivalping
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1 posted on 04/26/2012 10:36:56 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 04/26/2012 10:40:09 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

ping


3 posted on 04/26/2012 10:42:41 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer

Could I get on your ping list?


4 posted on 04/26/2012 10:42:47 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Kartographer

The damn sky is ffffalling too; wear a hardhat when you go outdoors!


5 posted on 04/26/2012 10:42:47 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Kartographer
I'm ready. Or should I say Prepped.

I have a number of alternatives to getting juice from the usual outlets.

6 posted on 04/26/2012 10:44:01 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: _Jim

FYI


7 posted on 04/26/2012 10:44:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1192 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Kartographer

Sounds like “Marketing Your Documentary 101”.

Similar lesson to “Teasing your Local Newscast 101” — “It could be deadly, and it may be on your dinner table. News at 10.”

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 04/26/2012 10:45:54 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

So are you saying there is any way a hacker or hackers could take down a smart grid?


9 posted on 04/26/2012 10:47:12 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Iran has publically stated that they are currently working on such an attack. And via the Smart Grid metering, such an attack is made easier.

How? Wait for a Sunny and hot day. Shut down Smart Grid compliant AC units - then turn them all back on, at the same time. This will cause a "Brown-out", cascade the "Brown Out" across numerous nodes, such that any attempts to over-come the power surge are met with minimal power - this then becomes a "Cascading Power Failure".

It's what I would do, if I wanted to attack an infrastructure. However, this is an overt 'Act of War', but with Zero in charge - I suspect a mild written rebuke would be called for, and possibly followed by 20+ more slightly stronger worded rebukes.

10 posted on 04/26/2012 10:51:14 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Kartographer

hyperbole


11 posted on 04/26/2012 10:58:21 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Kartographer

But think of how much less coal we’ll burn when the grid goes down. /s


12 posted on 04/26/2012 10:59:42 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: Kartographer

Since I work in the industry providing automation solutions to companies such as these I think I may be able to help reassure those that still at least have one foot on the ground.

Many of the companies that provide electricity to the grid are not running windows to power their systems, they are still running everything on UNIX. They simply cannot upgrade because they have a 100% up-time requirement.

Those that are running on Windows based systems are under a very rigid security requirement from the government. These security requirements are mandated, they have no choice. Even the USB slots on these machines are blocked out from use.

Such systems are NEVER on the greater internet. They are on a localized intranet and not accessible from the outside world. Someone would have to get in on the inside AND have administrator privs to infect anything.

So what is at risk? Perhaps 1% of the systems and thus the grid.


13 posted on 04/26/2012 11:00:54 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Peter from Rutland

My electric company has been pushing the Smart Meter BS for a couple of years now. They were even offerring discounts for those households that signed up (or tax penalties for those who didn’t, depending on your point of view). I never signed on.

Got a letter from them yesterday that I am getting a Smart Meter whether I want one or not! So much for freedom of choice!


14 posted on 04/26/2012 11:09:49 AM PDT by catman67
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To: catman67

I’m not familiar enough with the smart meters to judge them one way or another but I would assume that they are heavily fire walled and tamper proof. Otherwise and Joe could open one up and tinker with it to skew the numbers.

I’m glad I don’t have one. If they force one on me it will simply run into a series of unfortunate accidents until I can go completely solar (but still on the grid) and then it won’t matter.


15 posted on 04/26/2012 11:12:50 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Peter from Rutland
they are still running everything on UNIX. They simply cannot upgrade because they have a 100% up-time requirement.

Are you saying that they are running on 40 year old hardware and software that has NEVER been down for maintainence or upgrades?

16 posted on 04/26/2012 11:12:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: Kartographer

100% Certainty? Really?
I don’t have 100% Certainty that I’m going to take my next breat


17 posted on 04/26/2012 11:24:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer
FYI...
Iran readying hacker attacks on U.S. infrastructure, specialists say

18 posted on 04/26/2012 11:26:31 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Drill Thrawl

For the most part, yes but maybe closer to 20 years. These are newer UNIX machines and they can get software upgrades.
Swapping out the entire system for an entire infrastructure upgrade? Not happening.


19 posted on 04/26/2012 11:34:32 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Kartographer

Are you saying that there is a 100% Certainty of Total Catastrophic Failure of Entire Power Infrastructure Within 3 Years?


20 posted on 04/26/2012 11:35:07 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Peter from Rutland
So what is at risk?

Ever time someone tells something is fool proof

Did you know this month is the 100 year anniversary of the Titanic sinking

21 posted on 04/26/2012 11:42:30 AM PDT by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Kartographer
they are still running everything on UNIX. They simply cannot upgrade because they have a 100% up-time requirement.

I'm calling BS on this. No computer can have guaranteed 100% up time, I don't care how "critical" it is.

I've worked on high availability systems. Regular, rigorous, preventive system maintenance is an absolute part of a system like this. This is accomplished by having dual systems, shared, redundant, network attached data systems, etc.

Part of a system like this can be taken off line (and shutdown if necessary) for maintenance without affecting the rest of the system. "100% uptime" is a myth.

22 posted on 04/26/2012 11:45:28 AM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: mouser

Anything connected to this smartGrid crap would be at risk.


23 posted on 04/26/2012 11:47:14 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: catman67
They were even offerring discounts for those households that signed up (or tax penalties for those who didn’t, ...

I just got my notice. If I opt out, I'll have to pay an opt-out fee of $75 and then an increase of $10 a month on my bill (to cover the cost of an actual meter reader). The clerk/agent/whatever I spoke with seemed quite unsure that the $10 additional would stay $10 for even a year.

24 posted on 04/26/2012 12:02:05 PM PDT by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kartographer
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25 posted on 04/26/2012 12:02:13 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Kartographer

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This is important info.

People need to know.
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26 posted on 04/26/2012 12:17:13 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: Kartographer

Let’s see. The electric company came out and installed one against my protest. A few says later my whole house electricity blew and I had to pay a thousand dollars to fix it So much smart meters.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 12:19:52 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kartographer

The electric company forced me to have one installed. A couple of days later my my entire house had no electricity. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix it. So much for smart meters.


28 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:06 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kartographer

When this happens and it will you need an alternative energy source ready to crank up. Otherwise you will live in misery.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

The EPA shutdown of coal burning generating plants will without question lead to rolling blackouts in parts of the country during the first heat wave this summer.


30 posted on 04/26/2012 12:33:18 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Peter from Rutland; Kartographer
I'm an ex-unix administrator (solaris). While the unix platforms and code are far superior to windows, any system can be hacked. That's why intrusion detection is an integral part of any network security.

IIRC, there was a report a couple of years back that some utility data systems had been hacked and the admins were not sure what, if anything, was left behind.

IMHO, there are any number of things that could cause a catastrophic failure including low-tech shooter teams that take out critical substations.

It's just prudent to prepare to live without modern tech. There is just too much that could go wrong.

31 posted on 04/26/2012 12:44:21 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: dmz

I think if I was an enemy of the US it would be a very devastating and inexpensive way to make a major strike against the US.

The experts talk in the article express that they are 100% certain and I see no reason to doubt them. Hackers have already all to often proven thier ability to get into systems even those systems deem ultra secure.


32 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Nervous Tick

So are you saying there isn’t any way a hacker or hackers could take down a smart grid?


33 posted on 04/26/2012 12:56:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
100% Certainty of Total Catastrophic Failure of Entire Power Infrastructure Within 3 Years

From a smart meter designer: 100% certainty of this article being 100% hyperbole.

There are many things that could take down the grid. Smart meters aren't among them.

34 posted on 04/26/2012 2:12:33 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: catman67
My electric company has been pushing the Smart Meter BS for a couple of years now

They oughta turn off the power for those people who don't want one.

The fear and loathing of digital electric meters has got to be the silliest bit of nonsense in Luddite history.

35 posted on 04/26/2012 2:15:33 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: freekitty
The electric company forced me to have one installed. A couple of days later my my entire house had no electricity. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix it. So much for smart meters.

Looks like this is going to be another smart-meter bashing thread. It's OK; I'm here to lend some sanity.

So, lemme guess: you owed them money, and the remote-disconnect smart meter allowed them to turn your power off.

36 posted on 04/26/2012 2:18:57 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

It’s not the meter itself its the systems that control the meter. You are aware that the meter itself can be told to shut off electrical power? So it you controlled the system you could shut off the power to any place with a smart meter then you could sabotage the system making it unable to turn the power back on or re-direct the power to cause damage to the grid or both.


37 posted on 04/26/2012 2:21:04 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Peter from Rutland
Many of the companies that provide electricity to the grid are not running windows to power their systems, they are still running everything on UNIX. They simply cannot upgrade because they have a 100% up-time requirement.

No.

My company both sells the equipment, and also maintains back-end systems for large utility concerns.

We have fully redundant instant-failover servers. We can upgrade anytime we feel like it, with NO downtime.

38 posted on 04/26/2012 2:25:58 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

in 1982 the CIA was able to introduce software into a Russian pipe line that cause “the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space”. That was just introduce software. Imagine what could be done if you actually ‘hacked-in’ and controlled a system?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html


39 posted on 04/26/2012 2:25:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
You are aware that the meter itself can be told to shut off electrical power?

Not only am I aware, but I work down the hall from the man who holds more patents on remote disconnect than you can shake a stick at. I design smart metering systems for a living.

So it you controlled the system you could shut off the power to any place with a smart meter then you could sabotage the system making it unable to turn the power back on or re-direct the power to cause damage to the grid or both.

That is not the fault of the smart meter OR the systems that control them (like the article is saying). This is basic computer security. Physical security, encryption, limited disclosure of system architecture are all ways my company prevents hacking.

Can a single utility be hacked? Maybe. Enough to bring down one of the grids? I doubt it. Bring down ALL of them like the article says. Utter bullsh*t.

I'm a hardcore prepper, but this article is Chicken Little fearmongering. Period.

40 posted on 04/26/2012 2:33:31 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Kartographer
in 1982 the CIA was able to introduce software into a Russian pipe line that cause “the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space”. That was just introduce software. Imagine what could be done if you actually ‘hacked-in’ and controlled a system?

In 1982. In Siberia.

In other words, they brought down a system with ZERO security.

Our systems have sustained FULL-BORE attacks from Mexico and China. We have the logs; we know where the attacks came from.

41 posted on 04/26/2012 2:36:02 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

A tree falling on a line in Ohio can bring the entire NE, but a hacker getting inside the control system has no chance?


42 posted on 04/26/2012 2:40:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: backwoods-engineer
In other words, they brought down a system with ZERO security.

It's worse than that ...

They designed the system from the get-go to destroy itself, then conned the Russkis into "stealing" it ...

Brilliant!

But not particularly relevant to discussion of attacking somebody else's operational system.

43 posted on 04/26/2012 2:44:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kartographer

The fool that wrote this screed isn’t even aware that the fuse has been invented, and broadly deployed.


44 posted on 04/26/2012 2:55:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: backwoods-engineer

I’m just relating what customers are telling me, what exposure I’ve had to them.


45 posted on 04/26/2012 3:12:06 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: backwoods-engineer

>> “It’s OK; I’m here to lend some sanity.” <<

.
In your dreams perhaps.

Mostly pro-control drivel, but we’re used to it. What would we do without control freaks?
.


46 posted on 04/26/2012 3:13:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Kartographer

I have experienced power outages and will in the future due to hurricanes. I now have my own multiple, redundant, power sources and can do without electric companies forever and be reasonably comfortable. It just takes educating oneself as to how to do it. I beat the subject to death until I had a plan that would work for me covering everything I needed.

As a result, I don’t get upset when I hear, “It’s the end of the world as we know it!” I do wish others would prepare so they could feel calm, too.


47 posted on 04/26/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by Marcella (God will decide the future - trust Him and no other.)
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To: freekitty
The electric company forced me to have one installed. A couple of days later my my entire house had no electricity. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix it. So much for smart meters.

Oh yeah? Well when my smart meter failed, it cost me a million dollars to fix it.

48 posted on 04/26/2012 3:59:36 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Drill Thrawl

If they’re running vmWare they simply move whatever Unix app they have to another server while it’s running. The users never notice it.


49 posted on 04/26/2012 4:06:47 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kartographer
In addition to documented health concerns resulting from radiation emissions....

I quit reading there.

50 posted on 04/26/2012 4:28:29 PM PDT by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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