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Did Santorum beat Gingrich in Mississippi due to Democrat Prank Voting? Alabama?
GULAG BOUND ^ | March 14, 2012 | Arlen Williams

Posted on 03/14/2012 1:01:28 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP

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To: cva66snipe

“Of the three it is honestly a matter of who do you trust the most? “

If nominated, I trust Newt Gingrich to go after Obama on the communist takeover of this country. If elected, I trust Newt Gingrich to roll back the communist gains we have had during the Obama administration. Romney won’t even call Obama a socialist and Santorum can’t stop taking the contraception bait the dems put out for him.

Newt had a bad marriage during his Speakership and still balanced 4 budgets, reformed Welfare, first Republican majority in the House in 40 years, etc. He’s happily married now. He went to God for forgiveness. As a born again Christian that’s good enough for me.


181 posted on 03/14/2012 6:37:39 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Kellis91789
Santorum stands zero chance of being President. He is a nonentity. He is too extreme socially and too ignorant economically to ever be elected

You just described our current president.

182 posted on 03/14/2012 7:06:51 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: Bizhvywt
Newt had a bad marriage during his Speakership and still balanced 4 budgets, reformed Welfare, first Republican majority in the House in 40 years, etc. He’s happily married now. He went to God for forgiveness. As a born again Christian that’s good enough for me.

I'm glad he got that part of his life settled. Forgiving someone is not the same thing as giving them your trust again. That even after forgiveness is still must be re-earned.

183 posted on 03/14/2012 7:11:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: matt1234

He doesn’t have the Affirmative Action Quotient going for him.


184 posted on 03/14/2012 9:46:09 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; ...

Seems like Rush proposed the same thing in 08. If this has already been mentioned NO I didn’t read every post.
MS Ping


185 posted on 03/14/2012 10:25:55 PM PDT by WKB (Anything Obama: "What a revoltin' development this is")
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To: WKB

Yes...Operation Chaos was in 2008 and I was a proud participant. We have closed primaries, though, so I had to register as a *spit* dem. But, I did and unregistered the day after the primary no worse for the wear. ;o)

Frankly, Mittens did much better in MS than I thought he would.

NO...I didn’t read every post, either.


186 posted on 03/15/2012 12:18:19 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: NoGrayZone

I agree! WHY do we still have open primaries????? Can someone who knows please let me know? ‘Cuz it seems like the stupidest possible thing we can do as a party.


187 posted on 03/15/2012 1:23:12 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (If you back Newt . . . then SEND HIM MONEY!! "Be Breitbart, Baby!")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Probably... but here is the truth.. reince prebius, john boehner, mitch mcconnell and any number of demonic toadies working under... them are responsible. When your party's leadership tries to rig an election and manufacture an output that anoints THEIR CHOSEN progressive candidate and good old boy clubber... one can expect the dims to take advantage of their meddling... we would have under Lee Atwater. No, we have a bunch of progressive elites that think that they are the smartest people in the Universe... but reality is that they do not have the sense to come out of the rain. We are screwed and the republic elite leadership owns every bit of the blame for our demise as party and as a Republic.

LLS

188 posted on 03/15/2012 4:38:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: dforest
Newt is weak. He is weak because he has a name recognition that isn’t positive. All his own fault, by the way.

I cannot disagree with that statement. However, Newt is the strongest Republican candidate to take on the MSM (i.e. those with the slobbering love affair with Obama) in decades.

189 posted on 03/15/2012 4:50:26 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: NoGrayZone

>> Why on earth do we still have open primaries? <<

Because the state legislature sets the rules as to whether or not a state has voter registration by party. It’s called “states’ rights.”


190 posted on 03/15/2012 6:30:16 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: TomGuy

>> If it weren’t for <<

and Newt’s lack of self-discipline

and the opposition to Newt by former close colleagues like Tom Coburn, Dick Armey and Tom Delay

and that Newt — clearly one of the best-known politicians in the whole U.S.A. — ALREADY has a 60% national rate of disapproval

and that Sheldon Adelson apparently has told associates that he has written his last check for Newt’s super-pac

Looks to me as if Newt’s campaign clearly is finished. The big question remaining is whether, like Huckabee, he can suppress his personal animosity toward Romney enough that he’ll be able to acquire his own talk show on FNC!


191 posted on 03/15/2012 7:12:51 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: steve8714

>> The open primary is something I’ll never understand. <<

As far as Mississippi and Alabama are concerned, nothing could be easier to understand:

These states don’t register voters by party. So there’s no feasible way to have a “closed” primary.


192 posted on 03/15/2012 7:20:58 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Retired Greyhound

>> Newt has won two states, one of them his home state <<

Uh, make that his “former” home state. He has been a Virginia resident since 1998.


193 posted on 03/15/2012 7:25:24 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

If I were a Democrat, and in an open primary state, I’d certainly vote for Santorum. He is without a doubt the weakest GOP candidate left in the race.

I know his proponents don’t believe that but its true. The play book used against him in ‘06 is going to work just as well in 12.

Don’t know if the allegations that they are playing with our primary are true, but I know if I was a leftist, that’s exactly who I’d want as the nominee.


194 posted on 03/15/2012 7:29:57 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Hawthorn

And Santorum lacks the ability to win... He didn’t lose his home state by 18 points in 06 as a fluke.

In fact, a poll just conducted showed if he were to run again for Senate against the same opponent right now he’d LOSE by 8-10 points.

This guys a dud folks. The play book used to destroy him in ‘06 is going to work just as effectively in 12, because the man hasn’t changed one iota since then. His own sound bites will be used against him to make him look extreme, and the electorate will reject him.

Here is the truth about this election, anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who isn’t viewed as unacceptably extreme will beat Obama.. This election is going to be a referrendum on Obama. Every poll shows the electorate, by a very large majority wants this doofus gone.

So, all the Republican party has to do is put up ANYONE who is not viewed as more radical or risky than Obama and they will win. ITs a binary decision, The electorate wants to replace Obama, however they won’t replace him with someone they view as radical/risky as he is, or moreso.

Santorum’s problem is, simply this, he doesn’t have command of the english language, or the intellectual depth, to effectively defend his social conservative viewpoints without creating sound bites that make him look like an extremist. That’s it folks. Santorum’s own sound bites were used to paint him as unacceptable in PA in ‘06, very effectively and he never was able to counter it, and he got smoked by 18 points. That exact same plan of attack will be used against him this year if he is the nominee with the same outcome.

Santorum is a social conservative, but he’s not a small government fiscal conservative, however that won’t generally keep the base from voting for him. However, the sound bites he creates nearly daily when trying to articulate his social conservative viewpoints, will turn off more than enough of the 40% of the swing vote to keep Obama in power.

Yes, his social conservative views fire up the social conservatives in the base, and his issues with not being a fiscal and small government conservative are not to the point where the fiscal and small government conservatives by and large would not vote for him if he is the nominee... but the sound bites this guy creates in defending his social conservative views are going to be used to evicerate him. Just like they were in 06.

Now, understand, I am not saying Santorum is wrong for holding social conservative views, or that when you listen to his defense of them in full context that they are not logical, however, most of the electorate will never hear those full arguments, they are going to hear the sound bites that make him look and sound like a heartless monster, over and over again, in news, on You Tube Mashups, etc etc etc.

As much as the electorate wants Obama out, they will not put someone they feel is as more more dangerous in... the devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Of the 3 candidates left in the Republican Primary, Santorum is the only one who can easily be painted as radically extreme by the left, deservedly or undeservedly, and the fact they can do it with his own sound bites, and not one or two, but hundreds he’s made over the years. Santorum had no counter to it in 06 and far as I can tell has none now, nothing has changed about the guy.

Romney’s issue is will the base hold for him, if it does he’ll win. Newts issue will be convincing the 40% he’s not the monster he was spun to be nearly 20 years ago, which I suspect he will heartily do, if he can he’ll win. Santorum’s issue is overcoming his own mouth, so that the swing voters don’t view him as a monster and I don’t see any indication he’s going to be able to do it, he continually to this very day keeps creating fodder to paint him as extreme with.


195 posted on 03/15/2012 7:48:45 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Can you imagine? Santorum as the Nominee? Total disaster!


196 posted on 03/15/2012 7:55:30 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: HamiltonJay
Those were good points. The Left was extremely successful in taking Santo down in ‘06. This is proof that they know exactly how to do it again. Which explains why they are tampering with the vote. The may have turned this election upside down in Alabama and Miss.
197 posted on 03/15/2012 7:59:26 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Drop your fixation on Newt. He is no longer a contender.

Interesting, because that was the 'conventional wisdom' regarding Ronald Reagan about this same time in the Presidential Election cycle of 1980. ;o)

198 posted on 03/15/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HamiltonJay

>> Newt’s issue will be convincing the 40% he’s not the monster he was spun to be nearly 20 years ago, which I suspect he will heartily do <<

I wish with all of my heart and soul that I could agree with you. But Newt has shown time and time and time and time again that he simply lacks the self-discipline to stay on message and to execute a successful national campaign.


199 posted on 03/15/2012 1:59:42 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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