Video: Donald Trump Takes On Fox News' The Five Over Obama's Birth Certificate

BirtherReport.com ^ | December 16, 2011 | Trump interview

[Seizethecarp]

Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?

Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.

[melancholy]

Obama bosses have concluded that the birther issue still refuses to die, so it’s time to give it another staged whack on the head

I also believe they were a bit late as in everything 0b0z0!

This should have been staged a couple of days before FOX's Republican debate in Iowa to give a chance to any of the desperate nominees to bring it up and “force” the threatening front runners to weigh on it as yay or nay!

If you're a yay, you're a nut. If you're a nay, you'll be attacked by the eligibility conservatives and a big blow up inside the Repubs that incites the heavies like Rove, Coulter and the establishment to demean candidates and establish McRomney as the "reasonable, middle of the road front runner!” That's what both parties’ goons want.

As I said, the 0b0z0ids, Dems and Repubs were late and this will die down, however, expect this to come up in a '12 debate moderated by libs!

The idiotic Republicans should refuse to attend those debates or refuse to answer the direct faux question :

Q: Do you or don't you believe that 0b0z0 is a "CITIZEN?"

A: Why don't you stop asking silly questions and get to the issues? I reserve my time to answer something substantial about 0b0z0’s failed policies, or hiding his education and medical records, that if you “vetting people” DARE ask!!

[Electric Graffiti]

On timing, I believe that Trump is aware of the Arpaio posse's “devastating” results and wants to get on record in advance of the release of those results as having NOT been punked by Obama’s fake BC. I believe that Murdock and Ailes are doing the same thing by allowing Trump to get these three points on the air, unlike The View where Trump was censored.

I agree with your thoughts about Trump. I also have little doubt that Trump was threatened after his ruthless pursuit of Barry's Birth Certificate which became so intense that Obama had to release another forgery. A few days later when Trump was invited by the Washington Compost to the White House Press Dinner, the President and a comedian spent most of night rubbing his face in it. If Trump was not under some financial[See NY liberals] or physical threat, I have a hard time believing he would take that lying down.

[DiogenesLamp]

The handwritten memo seems pretty odd, as if added after the fact, since no child was mentioned on the other form of the same date. A previous memo was typewritten. Would an inspector have time to go track down information about the wife and child and file it the same day ...

Lately I have been focused on researching documentary evidence to support the correct understanding of the term of art "natural born citizen" and I have not been looking into Obama's origins as much as I used to. I know that a lot of people have poured over the INS documents for Barack Sr, but I have only given them a cursory look, and have focused on some aspect of one of them when it has been brought to my attention by others.

What this means is that I am not currently in a position where I can offer an informed opinion on this peculiarity you have mentioned, but off the top of my head, it would seem unlikely that an inspector could do very much research the same day. Alternatively, I would suggest that this person may have been familiar with the case from other interactions with these people, perhaps not all of which was noted down on paper. (or if so, are on documents we haven't seen yet.) In any case, I will keep your point in mind, and perhaps a sensible answer will eventually appear.

... and especially when other sources say she was already in Washington before the end of August?

As far as I know, the only source placing her in Washington in August is Susan Blake. Is there another source placing her there at that time? (The University Records were determined to have been reported incorrectly. When the error was discovered they place her there in September, not August.)

[DiogenesLamp]

This leads me to believe in 2 scenarios......He was born in a commune somewhere in the states or he was born out of country. Either way, SADO didn't care enough to procure any documentation for the little demon seed Barry Obama. Which is why we see the forged COLBS and suspicious Social Security number(s).

There is another reason why he might have a forged COLB. (And Connecticut Social Security number) There is enough circumstantial (and some actual) evidence to indicate that Barack Obama was adopted twice, and if so, creating a fake replacement birth certificate is a normal part of the process. (And is what in fact I think Hawaii has produced on his behalf.)

I know that this is true better than most because *I* am an adopted child and I have a replacement birth certificate. On the face of it it looks like a real original birth certificate, but it was in fact, created 6 years after I was born.

If this is what has happened, then Hawaii is bound by Hawaiian law not to reveal the original, nor to admit or deny that an individual was adopted. Barack being adopted (by Lolo Soetoro, and then by his grandparents) explains much of what we see that does not make any sense.

IMO, He is an illegal alien with no legal documentation of any kind. It would be poetic justice if Sheriff Joe's posse proves this conclusion.

Whatever he is, I would like to know what is the truth.

[David]

“To my understanding it has been pretty well established that she was in NorthWest Washington in August of 1961.”

That is based on the U of W academic record and subsequent events. I have long been a proponent of the argument that the U of W record is credible and accurate. I have intimate familiarity with the UW transcript and academic record system, particularly for the 61-62 academic period. The security system is extensive and sound--it is difficult for me to conceive of how the records might have been penetrated.

Nonetheless, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that my original view may be in error.

In the first place, the computer generated report is not the original document--I believe those documents were generated long after the fact from the original entry documents. WND posts a copy of the actual original entry document here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106018

When a student entered the regular University, a document like this one was generated. The original is on two hole punched paper and it is inserted in a pin ledger binder. The system is designed so that the original is never removed.

The academic record is to be hand inserted (written) on the face of the original document from quarter to quarter. When a certified transcript or a copy transcript such as the one depicted by WND is required, a copy system is in place to photocopy the entry area on the original and a certificate is stamped on the face of the copy.

I do not know whether a similar document is generated for the Night and Extension College--I believe not.

So what is the problem with this document?

I have never seen a transcript with a typewritten academic record--I have seen many of these documents for the period in question and I do not recall ever having seen a single one that was typewritten as this one is. I have seen the history section (night school grades; transferred trades from other schools; etc.) typewritten but I have never seen the U of W record typed. Which I believe was a requirement of the system.

Because they didn't want to take the security risk of removing the transcript to enter current data.

Further, the original problem I had with Mr. Corsi--Stanley's entry date. The computer generated entry shows she registered for night school on August (8) 19, 1961. That was not possible.

August 19, 1961 was a Saturday. On Friday, August 18, Summer quarter finals week ended; the school locked down at the close of business on Friday August 18 for summer break for the employees and staff. It did not reopen until after Labor Day.

Not only did Stanley not register or start class on August 19, September 19 was a reasonable date to have expected her to have registered for Night School for Summer quarter.

I assumed the error was simply a typo by the person who made the entry in to the computer record system who misread the September month number (9) as an 8 for August. In fact, the number is on the fold and on the line in the form and so could have well been misread to have seen the bottom loop of the 9 closed to be an 8.

"Not so" said the University in a subsequent letter to Corsi--"the 8 is correct". The clerk who wrote the letter did not look at the calendar.

However looking at the original entry transcript, even at the Corsi WND copy, it now seems likely that the 8 was on the original. So that requires you to believe that when this document was prepared in March of 1962, the clerk who typed it, having been on a school shutdown vacation on Saturday (a day when registration and Administration were not open) August 19, nonetheless typed a registration as having occurred on that date.

Maybe a typo? Possibly. In the context of the other issues, maybe not.

The Capital Hill address is typed on the transcript.

Stanley never used the name "Anna". [As reflected by the Polk Directory.]

In 1961, the U of W temporary housing students lived in the University District and in the area North and West of the district in Laurlehurst. Access from Capital Hill was inconvenient. And the University had child care for students in class.

On the other hand, the area on Capital Hill where Anna lived was intensely occupied by students--at Seattle University on the side of the Hill.

Based on other facts which have come to our attention, we do not believe Stanley was living on Capital Hill in the 61-62 academic year.

We believe Mary Toutonghi is probably a conspirator. We do not believe she was telling the truth.

We further think that the Anna who did live on the Hill in the Toutonghi apartment was either born a Toutonghi or had been married to a Toutonghi.

Thus the address on the transcript requires you to believe either that Stanley and Anna lived together on Capital Hill which, although there is no evidence that happened is possible, or to conclude that Stanley was not living on the Hill.

If you pick the second alternative, you need to view the original transcript as having been modified for some reason.

At this point, I don't think Stanley was on Capital Hill; I think it is also unlikely that she attended the University of Washington in the 61 Academic year although I have no explanation for the inconsistencies in her subsequent record (the University of Hawaii) that would result from this conclusion.

[edge919]

As far as I know, the only source placing her in Washington in August is Susan Blake. Is there another source placing her there at that time? (The University Records were determined to have been reported incorrectly. When the error was discovered they place her there in September, not August.)

The part about the month being "corrected" from August to September was a little fishy too. As soon as something was found conlficting with the official story, suddenly it was a mistake and had to be corrected. How many details from Obama's backstory have been "corrected." It's like Miss Tickly says ... the odds are 'racist.'

[Seizethecarp]

“At this point, I don’t think Stanley was on Capital Hill; I think it is also unlikely that she attended the University of Washington in the 61 Academic year although I have no explanation for the inconsistencies in her subsequent record (the University of Hawaii) that would result from this conclusion.”

The U of Hawaii transcript is actually consistent with the U of Washington transcript and the Polk directory. It is your theory which creates inconsistency when none is justified by any documentation of an alternate Anna or an alternate mom for Barry that I have seen. If folks are withholding such documentation, why is that and what are they waiting for while Barry destroys the country?

How do you (and the mysterious “we” you refer to) personally know what names a girl named “Stanley Ann” might have experimented with at age 18-19??

I know lots of folks who used multiple names at that age and older, some for very short, unpredictable periods of time. This fact of human behavior refutes the “she never used Anna” declarations which attempt to claim that the Polk directory couldn’t have referred to SADO because SADO “never” used “Anna.”

[Seizethecarp]

“If Trump was not under some financial[See NY liberals] or physical threat, I have a hard time believing he would take that lying down.”

That was a bitter moment for Trump, but it was too soon for him to back up with evidence a proof of forgery. After Obama watched the MSM run with his forgery without the slightest critical analysis thus aligning their credibility with Obama, I think Obama was confident that the MSM would resist any attempt by Trump to gather expert analysis to declare the BC a forgery...at least any time soon.

It was months later that Corsi pulled together enough credible analysis of the forgery to try to bring the matter back to the public...eventually going to Arpaio and his posse when the MSM refused to bite.

Now Trump is getting brave, again. Trump also knows that Arpaio has endorsed potential rival Perry.

[David]

“At this point, I don’t think Stanley was on Capital Hill; I think it is also unlikely that she attended the University of Washington in the 61 Academic year although I have no explanation for the inconsistencies in her subsequent record (the University of Hawaii) that would result from this conclusion.”

The U of Hawaii transcript is actually consistent with the U of Washington transcript and the Polk directory. It is your theory which creates inconsistency when none is justified by any documentation of an alternate Anna or an alternate mom for Barry that I have seen.

You need to read a little more carefully. I recognize that my view results in an inconsistency with the subsequent U of Hawaii transcript and I have no explanation for the inconsistency at this point.

There is an inconsistency between the U of W record and the Polk in that Polk uses the name Anna Obama and the U of W record is in Stanley Ann's name under circumstances where Stanley never used the name Anna.

I haven't had the resources to devote to finishing off the story of Anna because during the course of looking for Anna, we got to the bottom line on the more significant issues and we think looking for documentary evidence is more important than spending time and resources looking for Anna.

We also know enough hard facts to identify Anna at this point if we had access to a PI and resources to finish looking.

[Fractal Trader]

where Stanley never used the name Anna.

Wikipedia

Stanley Ann Dunham (November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995), the mother of Barack Obama, the 44th President of the United States, was an American anthropologist who specialized in economic anthropology and rural development. Dunham was nicknamed Anna

Not that good of an idea to use categorical negatives to a subject with as many nuances as the Obama narrative. Wikipedia not only lists Anna as a nickname, but provides two references.

And, not to forget, FR's own Beckwith (The Obama File -- Anna Obama) has her listed under with her primary appellation as Anna.

[David]

Not that good of an idea to use categorical negatives to a subject with as many nuances as the Obama narrative. Wikipedia not only lists Anna as a nickname, but provides two references. And, not to forget, FR's own Beckwith (The Obama File -- Anna Obama) has her listed under with her primary appellation as Anna.

I will stand on my position--she never used the name Anna. None of the references refute that; neither does Beckwith.

Their argument comes down to the Seattle Polk reference--my position is that the Anna referenced by Polk on Capital Hill is not Stanley Ann--so Wiki and Beck and everyone else who wants to argue that Anna on Capital Hill is Stanley uses that reference--if Anna on Capital Hill was Stanley they are correct; if she was not, Stanley never used the name Anna.

Real facts are that Anna on Capital Hill is also seen in the Nachmannanoff picture as "Anne/USA". She also is the Philippine face peaking over the shoulder in the dock picture showing Obama Senior's arrival at Hawaii and standing next to him.

If you look carefully at the feet of the two sailor's who have been inserted on top of the actual dock picture, you will see that the legs and feet of the second sailor do not exist--your eye is supposed to pick up the white object as the white pants of the sailor but not only is the white object not attached to the sailor, studied carefully you can recognize the white object as a bassinet--the end is elevated to cover the baby's head.

That bassinet is sitting at the feet of Anna. In the bassinet is Barack H. Obama II.

[David]

Note also that the Seattle University of Washington interlude in Stanley's life is not anywhere to be found in Dreams. The fact that she was there, with or without zero flies in the face of the fairy tale in Dreams that she and Obama Senior lived happily ever after for two years in Hawaii.

So if she had in fact been in Seattle, however they explain it, that needed to be an essential part of the Zero Legend in Dreams. They needed to develop a story about Seattle that included Stanley.

Of course the reason they didn't is because she wasn't there and they didn't realize that Anna had been there in that time period and that Anna was on the public record (in Polk) as having been there.

I speculate but cannot prove yet because I haven't looked for her that Anna was in fact at Seattle University in that time frame.

That of course leaves open the question of how, when, and why the U of W record for Stanley was created. I do not have any answer for that at present.

And in fact, one possible explanation is that Stanley was in fact at the U in this time period and that the modification of her original entry transcript relates only to her name and address. I think that is not likely--in large part because she isn't in Seattle in Dreams. But for the most part, Stanley's part in the early period of the story is a construct, designed to put her in a time and place where she could have finished high school and become pregnant by Obama Senior in October 1960 and delivered in August of 1961.

Bill Ayers may not have known where Stanley was in that time frame.

[Fred Nerks]

Beckwith, if you look at both listings for Seattle, you will see that they are both in the names of ANNA OBAMA.

THE OBAMA FILE

In that segment, you have:

The Name Game

Stanley Ann's known names and aliases:

• Stanley Ann Dunham (maiden)

• Stanley Ann Dunham (her friends called her Stanley Ann)

• Stanley Ann Obama (after getting hitched to Senior (in Washington phonebooks))

• Stanley Ann D. Obama (1964 Divorce)

• Ann Soetoro (in several quotes in that timeframe)

• Stanley Ann Soetoro (1980 Divorce)

• Stanley Ann Dunham Sutoro (1991 tax lien image & 1991 tax lien records)

• Ann Dunham Sutoro (Dissertation)

• S. Ann Dunham (Dissertation)

• and a few others I’m sure I’m forgetting

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The state archives has several research tools including Polk directories – guides similar to phone books that listed the name and address of Seattle residents back to the 1870s. This one from 1961 helped researchers determine where President Barack Obama lived with his mother when she was in Seattle. In addition to the state archives branch at Bellevue Community College, some Polk directories are available at the Seattle Public Library, which also has some Seattle city directories searchable online. Photo: Puget Sound Regional Branch Of The Washington State Archives / SL

SOURCE LINK

It's a common misconception to identify ANNA OBAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham, but there is really nothing documented that confirms Anna Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham as the same person.

[little jeremiah]

Placemark hoping I have time to read this tomorrow!

[LucyT]

At # 91 , David wrote:

"I will stand on my position-- she never used the name Anna. None of the references refute that; neither does Beckwith.

"Their argument comes down to the Seattle Polk reference--my position is that the Anna referenced by Polk on Capital Hill is not Stanley Ann..."

"Real facts are that Anna on Capital Hill is also seen in the Nachmannanoff picture as "Anne/USA".

"If you look carefully at the feet of the two sailor's who have been inserted on top of the actual dock picture, you will see that the legs and feet of the second sailor do not exist-- your eye is supposed to pick up the white object as the white pants of the sailor but not only is the white object not attached to the sailor, studied carefully you can recognize the white object as a bassinet-- the end is elevated to cover the baby's head.

"That bassinet is sitting at the feet of Anna. In the bassinet is Barack H. 0bama II."

Fred Nerks wrote:

It's a common misconception to identify ANNA 0BAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham, but there is really nothing documented that confirms Anna 0bama and Stanley Ann Dunham as the same person.

. . . . Called back from Holiday for important posts. Check out # 85 , # 89 , # 91 , # 92 , # 93.

Thanks David.

[Fred Nerks]

SOME SIGNATURES:

[LucyT]

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[little jeremiah]

Thank you -

[BIGLOOK]

\The birth certificate that was presented states the father way African (not stated, a Kenyan exchange student) and the mother was how old at the time of birth......17 or 18? Any way you cut it, it doesn't mean a 'Natural Born' citizen of the US.

You are correct that the onus is upon the individual states' election officers to challenge his eligibility to have his name on their ballots. Having had the DNC and a lapdog media snooker them once ought matter little anymore. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" is what it comes down to.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for some explanationa about that mysterious dock photo. Was it a departure photo actually? Or just something totally different? I know it’s been dissected a bit on FR, so many anomalies.