(Vanity) Thoughts on Perry

grey_whiskers | Aug. 16, 2011 | grey_whiskers

[The Bronze Titan]

Ditto to everything u said. When we first arrived in Miami in’62, it was saturated with exiles, the only job my dad was able to get was picking berries in Opa Locka (he was an office mgr for Intl Harvester in La Conchita, Cuba, we were only about 30 min from where 2506 got as far to). Mom n dad passed away in ‘96 and ‘08 in Philadelphia, outlasted by those two scumbags in Cuba, never to see Cuba again like many others. It was always too hard for them to return. They lost way more than material things, they lost a ‘way of life’, something the current crop has never had, which is why it’s not hard for them to return. My family and I was back in Miami last year to vac and visit those family still around. The only way things will change in Cuba is by force, there will not be a ‘velvet Revolution’ Cuba.

[Lazlo in PA]

Perry had an interview where he stated that he was friends with the Bush clan and had called W for advice over the presidential run. It's very clear Perry considers they have a close relationship and he values it.

Andrea Tanteros, the right wing operative, on Red Eye last night let slip that the all insiders know that Bush and Perry hate each other. She said that all the Bush Admin people who we all hate are going to go after Perry. Just look at what Rove and Perino have already said of Perry already.

Having Perry say this is a no brainer. Why would he focus the media attention on his campaign to some feud he is having with a former GOP President.

[Lakeshark]

Did you see the interview? It was pretty convincing, it came straight from Perry, it’s the second clip on this blog: http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-unannouncement-announcement/

[BuckeyeTexan]

Here are some links about his pro-life votes:
http://www.gargaro.com/lifequotes.html
http://www.debatethis.org/gore/abortion/

Here are some links about his pro-gun votes:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996052,00.html
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Al_Gore_Gun_Control.htm (For 1988 see section titled “Voted against some gun limitations while in Congress.”)
http://www.kc3.com/news/july6_knox.htm (Start at paragraph 11)

Here are some links about his pro-defense positions:
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=122730
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-11-22/news/8702070578_1_pro-defense-key-votes-voting-records
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=33148 (Paragrah 9 under section titled “More Evasions From the Left on the War”)

Here are some links about his overall pro-life, pro-gun, pro-defense positions in 1988:
http://diplomatdc.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/1988-when-al-gore-battled-the-liberal-democrats-by-gregory-hilton/
http://www.hookersandbooze.com/

[floozy22]

You ask why Perry mandated the Gardasil vaccine for voluntary behavior. The answer is that insurance companies wouldn’t pay for the $380 vaccine unless it was mandatory. The vaccine had been shown to be nearly 100% effective. To give access to the vaccine to those who couldn’t afford it for the price of a copay, he went with an Executive Order to make it mandatory. Ultimately, the voters, through their representatives, exercised their will by overturning the EO.

It's for the children! Politics and personal agendas had nothing to do with it.

I understand you REALLY LIKE Rick Perry. But don't misrepresent the facts.

from realclearpolitics.com/ Tom Bevan / June 4, 2011

"In January 2007, Gardasil was put on the "recommended" immunization schedule issued by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control. Merck immediately mounted a massive lobbying effort of state legislatures around the country to get Gardasil added to their respective lists of state-mandated vaccines...

But in Texas, Gov. Perry chose to bypass the legislature and on Feb. 2, 2007, he issued an executive order making Texas the first state in the country requiring all sixth-grade girls to receive the three-shot vaccination series (which cost about $120 per shot)...

The controversy over Perry's decision deepened as it came to light that his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck and that his chief of staff's mother-in-law, Rep. Dianne White Delisi, was the state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls...

In response, the sponsor of HB 1098, Republican state Rep. Dennis Bonnen, blasted Perry for "using cancer victims as his backdrop for an issue that he has grossly misjudged..."

"Just because you don't want to offer up 165,000 11-year-old girls to be Merck's study group doesn't mean you don't care about women's health, doesn't mean you don't care about young girls," Bonnen added..."

And, in fact, two years later the National Vaccine Information Center issued a report raising serious questions over the harmful side effects of the drug. A few months after that, an editorial on Gardasil in the Journal of the American Medical Association declared that "serious questions regarding the overall effectiveness of the vaccine" needed to be answered and that more long-term studies were called for.

[floozy22]

Yes I know that 120 x 3 = 380. But the rest of the post stands. Perry’s ties to Merck are highly suspect.

[Lakeshark]

Much appreciated. It appears he was pro-life as a congresscritter, but he changed once he became a senator and went national.

I'm not convinced of his defense creds either.

I'm shocked he was relatively pro 2nd amendment.

[DRey]

blather, blather. Apparently you don’t listen to anyone. Perry has made plenty of mistakes. He’s also done more for Texas than any governor in recent history. I know he’s a conservative. I know he’s a Christian. And I know he loves this country. I also know his accomplishments, and I know he LISTENS to the people. I also know he’s going to be our next president. Get on board or get ready to shed some tears.

[Lazlo in PA]

Well I will take the man at his word. I do notice that he specifically cites Bush and Bush II as being congenial to him and side steps everyone else in the clan i.e.; Rove et al. No one ever considered the two Bushes as anything but congenial and gentlemen so this could be right. I guess we will see how it goes as far as the Bushies continuing to slam this guy for everything as they have recently done. Rove looks to be a Romney sycophant to me.

[BuckeyeTexan]

(Courtesy ping to shield for citing information he provided on another thread.)

I understand you REALLY LIKE Rick Perry. But don't misrepresent the facts.

Whether or not I support Perry is not the issue. Misinformation and one-sided information is. This vanity is wholly one-sided in its presentation of Perry's records/decisions. FReepers cannot make an informed decision without having balanced information about the issues presented herein. I did not misrepresent any facts.

(which cost about $120 per shot)

The Gardasil vaccine is a series of three shots at $120 each for a total of $360.

... an editorial on Gardasil in the Journal of the American Medical Association declared that "serious questions regarding the overall effectiveness of the vaccine"

Gardasil was believed to be a way to stop certain types of cancer among young women. Studies appearing in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2007 found that Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions caused by the the strains that Gardasil protects against. Gardasil’s effectiveness increased when given to girls and young women before they become sexually active. Gardasil was found to be extremely effective in preventing several (but not all) of the strains of HPV known to cause cervical cancer and genital warts.

The CDC has been following Gardasil since its licensing and some current facts follow.

• "As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil® have been distributed in the U.S. and the safety monitoring system (VAERS) received a total of 18,727 reports of adverse events following Gardasil® vaccination. As with all VAERS reports, serious events may or may not have been caused by the vaccine.”
• “Of the total number of VAERS reports following Gardasil®, 92% were considered to be non-serious, and 8% were considered serious. Out of 35,000,000 doses distributed, there were 1,498 occasions of serious complications; that equates to a .0000428 chance that a dose will cause a serious adverse reaction.

The controversy over Perry's decision deepened as it came to light that his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck and that his chief of staff's mother-in-law, Rep. Dianne White Delisi, was the state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls ...

In Gardasil, Merck believed that they had a credible, FDA-approved, CDC recommended, fact-based case for vaccinating young women and lobbied state officials to do so.

Perry maintains that the justification for his executive order making the shot mandatory was twofold:

• that the vaccine offered a chance to save lives that might have otherwise been taken away by cervical cancer
• that insurance companies wouldn’t cover the $360 cost of the vaccine ($120 for each of a 3-shot regimen) when it was simply an optional “recommended” vaccine. That put it out of the reach for most low-income Texans.

While you did not specifically mention Merck's contribution to Perry's re-election campaign, grey_whiskers did. The following provides some perspective about that aspect of the Gardasil issue.

Merck contributed a grand total of $6,000 to Perry’s reelection campaign. That Merck contribution amounted to .00025 of the $24 million dollar campaign funds that he received that year - hardly enough to buy Governor Perry's influence with an Executive Order.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You’re welcome. My goal isn’t to convince you about Gore’s “conservative” credentials in 1988. He wasn’t conservative by Republican standards. He was conservative by Democratic standards in 1988.

I think it’s important to provide balanced information so FReepers can come to informed conclusions. For me, Perry’s support of Gore in 1988 is not an issue. For other FReepers, it is.

[shield]

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[BuckeyeTexan]

I’ve received some FReepmails asking me if I would vaccinate my own children with Gardasil. So, I’ll address that here for those who asked.

As a Christian, conservative Texan with a pre-teen daughter, I was angry about Perry’s 2007 Executive Order. My daughter’s pediatrician recommend Gardasil in 2007. I ignored his recommendation for four years.

My daughter is now 15. I had her vaccinated with the first dose of Gardasil last month. For four years I reviewed the Gardasil studies and CDC reports of its side effects. The benefits far out weigh the risks, IMO. She did not have any negative reactions to Gardasil.

Yes, I preach abstinence to her. She is a very conservative young lady who gives her liberal teachers hell in the classroom when they spew liberal talking points. She plans to practice abstinence. But if she has a lapse in judgment, as teenagers are apt to do, I will have done my best to protect her from HPV and cervical cancer.

My son is 10. When he reaches the recommended age, I will also have him vaccinated because the studies now show that Gardasil is effective in preventing oral, throat, penile, and anal cancer caused by HPV. Does that mean I endorse promiscuous or homosexual behavior? No way.

[floozy22]

You make legitimate points in your posts.

Yet the fact remains that Perry as governor embraced the idea of the state taking control of a child's body. Of course they believed they were doing the right thing. The people behind Obamacare think the same thing. Similar reasoning is used for both. The Gardasil"opt-out" was meaningless. The correct way to do it would have been an "opt-in." He basically gave the state, not parents, all control of the issue. Isn't that why we bash liberals?

The cornerstone of American life is individual liberty. Rick Perry, for just a moment, forgot that fact. Yes, he has walked back his decision. But it's troubling that he at one time mandated allowing the state to hijack the personal healthcare decisions of Texas citizens. His EO bypassed the elected legislature. One of Malkin's posters commented that if a Democrat governor had done this, a lot of pro-Perry people would have had a huge problem with it. I agree.

The vaccine was untested at the time this occurred, and it will still take years to study its long-term effects. I don't have children, but if I did, they would never get anywhere near Gardasil.

[don-o]

Wonder if Perry ran off to Wideawakes too then...?

ZING!! I LOL'ed!

[SUSSA]

Good job.

[don-o]

Heck, if Reagan were to enter the race today, he would have neen eviscerated on this forum, former Democrat, moderate, Amnesty supporter, etc,,,.

You forgot pro-abort / anti-life. One thing I have not seen is that Perry EVER supported the legalized murder of unborn children.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Agreed. Perry’s decision on Gardasil was wrong. Thankfully, Texans were able to prevent the consequences of that decision. Perry realizes that. I think he learned a lot from the incident.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks grey_whiskers. Just for fun, I’ve got one — “you put the ass in asbestos!”

[CitizenUSA]

DRey: “Apparently you don’t listen to anyone.”

I’m not the first FReeper to mention your one-sided selling of all things Perry, but you’re oblivious. You have an excuse for everything he does that some of us find questionable. At least you finally admitted he’s mortal. That’s encouraging.