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64% say government workers should not be represented by a union
The American Thinker Blog ^ | February 19, 2011 | Rick Moran

Posted on 02/19/2011 3:31:03 AM PST by Scanian

I was shocked when I saw this number. The gravy train is really over for public employee unions. Citizens are sick to death of their strikes, threats of strikes, whining, caterwauling, and incompetence.

It wouldn't be this bad probably, if government, at any level, worked. But Americans look at the cluster fark that government has become and wonder why we are paying these bozos so much?

Politico:

"A new poll from the Washington-based Clarus Group asked: Do you think government employees should be represented by labor unions that bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions ... or do you think government employees should not be represented by labor unions?

A full 64% of the respondents said 'no.'

That includes 42% of Democrats, and an overwhelming majority of Republicans. Only 49% of Democrats think public workers should be in unions at all.

That's on the fundamental right to organize, before you get to wages and benefits. And that puts Scott Walker in a pretty good political place."

The poll was conducted using 1001 registered voters.

A huge backlash against what's happening in Wisconsin is building. It's Obamacare all over again only this time, it's even worse. Obama has publicly sided with the bad guys and Democrats are being seen as the party standing in the way of getting our fiscal house in order at the federal and state level.

Let's hope Democrats continue to have a death wish on this issue.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: caterwauling; incompetence; strikes; whining; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 02/19/2011 3:31:10 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

The ugly “rent-a-mob” picketers with their hateful signs are the worst PR the public serpents union movement can have. If I were a teacher, lying that I was on sick leave, I would expect to be fired by the taxpayers in my school district for being part of this Leftist mob.


2 posted on 02/19/2011 3:36:17 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

There was a time when unions might have been a positive influence. That time has mostly come and gone. If union members realized the big picture of how their dues were being used...they’d likely quit and laugh over how stupid membership was in the first place.


3 posted on 02/19/2011 3:40:04 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: kittymyrib

Among my previous functions was being a shift supervisor in a chemical plant who had the joy of having to cross picket lines to work through a couple strikes...trust me, the working class population absolutely EATS UP the stuff that people like Richard Trumka serves up. As for the NEA and government worrkers, I’m not sure yet...I think 64% opposition is probably a little high and if the economy and government fiscal situations were better, the “regular folks” would line up much more behind the unions.

“Workers struggling for their rights,” yadda yadda...all the usual clichés would apply.


4 posted on 02/19/2011 3:43:16 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Any teacher not at work Monday should be fired. The teacher’s death should be the only excuse.


5 posted on 02/19/2011 3:43:53 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: pepsionice

“There was a time when unions might have been a positive influence.”

Yes, in the 1930s when union organizers were beaten up by Henry Ford’s hired goons.

In more recent times, unions have become parasites that sucked our auto industry dry (along with some boneheaded management decisions at GM and whatnot)


6 posted on 02/19/2011 3:46:32 AM PST by Strk321
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To: Scanian

My favorite sign said...”Self-employed support unions!” Yeah...right...not in a million years!


7 posted on 02/19/2011 3:48:19 AM PST by Cricket24 (Proud to be a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN!!!!!!!)
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To: Scanian
Unfortunately, The other 36% (of which, a third are union members), are a vocal and determined bunch when it comes to protecting their gravy train. We are going to need to be more involved and equally as vocal and unrelenting in order to institute the changes that need to be made. The closed shop and contract set-asides for unions need to be made a thing of the past. They had there time, place and purpose, they served it well and ned to be relegated to the dustbin of history.

In today's litigious, Youtube society, employers are not abusing employees in the manner the unions fought in the early 1900's - they would be exposed, videotaped, recorded and sued in less than a minute if they were. The unions serve themselves and are nothing but an extension of the democrat party. It's nothing but a big slushfund anymore.

8 posted on 02/19/2011 3:48:27 AM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: Cricket24

Must be a one-man band.


9 posted on 02/19/2011 3:50:11 AM PST by Scanian
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To: pepsionice
There was a time when unions might have been a positive influence.

It seems that the problem with unions is that their primary weapon is the organized mob (this is identical to Obama's goal via community organizing).

Once the mob is formed, the only real defense against it is for the opposition to move its operation or form an opposing mob of concerned citizens.

By their very nature, unions are thuggish and bullying. We can see this influence so clearly in all Obama's actions. With Obama in charge, we have entered the era of mob attack.

10 posted on 02/19/2011 3:54:16 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: pepsionice
There is actually a group now that is helping union members get refunds of the union dues they pay that have not gone directly toward their representation with the employer: unionrefund.org

It seeks to enforce the decision handed down in the Communication Workers of America vs. Beck case in which the member won the right to not be forced to contribute unwillingly to these political games. If more and more union members would start hitting the unions for their refunds, they would have a huge impact quickly. UnionRefund.org actually does the calculations and mails the letter of demand to the union for you - FREE of charge.

11 posted on 02/19/2011 3:54:16 AM PST by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: Scanian
I think 64% opposition is probably a little high and if the economy and government fiscal situations were better, the “regular folks” would line up much more behind the unions. “Workers struggling for their rights,” yadda yadda...all the usual clichés would apply.Who are the "regular folks" who are paying the wages and benefits of the union employees, often benefits which are far beyond those received in the private sector, even in union jobs?

You and me, that's who.

Someone rolled the rock over because of the hard times. At the same time America's "regular folks" have found their voice through the TEA parties, and aren't going to STFU any time soon.

12 posted on 02/19/2011 3:55:09 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cricket24

”Self-employed support unions!”
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Oxymoron of the century!!!


13 posted on 02/19/2011 3:55:53 AM PST by AlexW
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”Self-employed support unions!” ________________________________ Oxymoron of the century!!!

In his case, "self-employed" probably means he opens his own envelope when the welfare check comes.

14 posted on 02/19/2011 4:04:40 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Scanian

In my younger days I was at union representative and I’ll say this government unions cannot strike that’s the one thing they cannot do it’s illegal.


15 posted on 02/19/2011 4:05:20 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Just basing it on personal experience. Maybe a little dated but I’ve seen how effective class warfare rhetoric is on the tongues of union propagandists.

By “regular folks” I was specifically referring to people who work for wages. They love the “soak the rich” BS, which is why the GOP can’t crack a lot of the blue states politically. “Fat cats” and all that-—it’s what keeps the Obamanoids and their union allies going.

I hope you’re right and I’m wrong but I still recall the property damage, rocks being thrown, and “company” this and “company” that slurs that I had to put up with during the strikes I had to help break as a boss. It is a freaking sporting event for a lot of them, for crying out loud! Look atthe fun they are having in Madison now. If unemployment and taxes weren’t so high a lot more people would join in.


16 posted on 02/19/2011 4:06:44 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Cricket24; All
My favorite sign said...”Self-employed support unions!” Yeah...right...not in a million years!

Actually, in the context of the Public Worker's Union, that statement is sorta true. Public worker's are paid by the taxpayer/government, so in effect they(along with us) are paying their own salary. That is why the Collective Bargaining Right of Public Workers is counter-intuitive. I guess it would be ok if each % increase in benefits corresponded to an equal % increase in taxes, then they could collectively bargain...but then they wouldn't.
17 posted on 02/19/2011 4:10:50 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: wastoute

So is keying cars, slashing tires, throwing rocks, etc. but it happens and it is tolerated because of the nature of labor-management relations in this country.


18 posted on 02/19/2011 4:11:12 AM PST by Scanian
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To: wastoute

That doesn’t apply to all levels and types of Govt. workers.


19 posted on 02/19/2011 4:16:02 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: RobertClark

Very interesting site you brought up!

http://www.unionrefund.org/index.asp

Not many people have used it - according to the site - do you know how long it’s been in existence? It doesn’t go into much detail on the site.


20 posted on 02/19/2011 4:22:20 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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