Posted on 01/02/2011 7:47:31 AM PST by jmaroneps37
I don't advocate for unions in any way. But, they are not even a major reason for the decline in manufacturing over the last ten years. As several posters have stated there are a myriad reasons for the destruction of our manufacturing base.
Great job. I don’t think I would have the patience to cull the info. I hope you don’t mind if I link to that now and then? I’ll you attribution as is possible.
“We need to act. NOW.”
Unfortunately, the “We” who needs to act now, is a sound, intelligent approach to economics by responsible government. Our government is not concerned with building anything, other than a communist state. This all will change after a world war, again, unfortunately.
—Henry Ford said it also, somewhat differently—”wealth can only be grown, mined or manufactured”-—
It’s easy to make excuses or to rationalize.
What the definition of “Made in USA” is and where it applies is defined and generally adhered too as well as enforced by the FTC: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
Bottom line is that it’s easy to have a prioritization:
1. Give preference to US made goods and services.
2. After #1 give preference to western free republics where there is a rule of law, democratic principals at work and who are not adversarial to us: Germany, Japan, S. Korea, Italy, France, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Poland, Hungry, UK, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Philippines, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Canada, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Singapore.......
3. Avoid products and services from nations that systemically violate human rights (forced abortions/sterilization/incarceration of political dissidents), suppress freedom in religion, press, travel etc. i.e. China, Iran, Cuba, Syria, Vietnam, Venezuela, Libya...... If need be, pay slightly more or substitute a product that serves a similar function just to avoid supporting these regimes. You are giving money to people who have murdered Americans when you support these regimes.
By making excuses and buying products made in China as an example, you are giving your money and propping up a regime that in the 50s was killing Americans, in Vietnam was backing the communists, that today backs N. Korea and threatens the freedom of people in Taiwan, it stood with Saddam, do business with Iran, hey to this day see themselves in opposition to the US (that’s their threat picture, us).......... You are ignoring child labor, censorship, suppression of religion, forced abortions and sterilization, the lack of any semblance of a rule of law and where political dissidents disappear or are locked up and get no due process........ What you are doing when you buy “made in China” is applying a double standard. The rules and values you expect in your world are good for you, your kids, your wife, your parents.........your environment....... but who cares about them, as long as that toy is a little cheaper for you.
You might have a valid point if I were buying “toys.” I buy tools and equipment I need to keep my house, and my vehicles, running, as well as the necessary parts. My priority is to get what I need to do the work. If I buy one tool over another, I decide based on which one I need most, can I use it for other projects, how long I'm likely to need it, and can I repair it myself if it has problems, too. Much of the stuff I buy has NO country of origin markings. Some of it may say “produced” or “packaged” for a US company; that does not guarantee it was made in the US.
It ain't as easy as you claim.
“The majority of Americans will buy what is cheap, they are not concerned about where it comes from. “
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As is reasonable.
Which is why, we need tariffs. IMHO, 100% on all imports, as a substitute for our current tax code, in its entirety.
So the choice of what is cheap - leads to the purchase of things which grow American jobs.
The alternative, is our eventual collapse.
Or at current velocity, not so eventual. One generation, maybe.
Look at your kids. Imagine them now, your age.
Do you want them to have jobs?
Do you want them to have jobs?”
right now I'm trying to make sure they have adequate shelter from temperatures that are bouncing around near freezing. They're back to school day after tomorrow, and they need pencils and such, too. I prefer Mars-Staedler writing instruments, but we're having to settle for less. On nearly everything.
Sure, help yourself. Have fun!
I originally did it with concern for the growth of the financial industry over the years. It’s troubles me that we have all those clever people creating all those derivative financial products which add no tangible value to the economy. It seems like a terrible waste of energy and resources.
You have FTC requirements for the labeling of products and I have yet to see a product where you can't find that out with ease even for those products where the FTC labeling requirements don't apply. You really have to reach out and use the “argument by exception” to support your rationale.
It's a lack of concern for this issue/aspect and in reality a simple function of cost in almost all cases.
There is a reason why a Chinese firm made millions and Americans bought these products anyhow, even though the firm Huawei more or less copied the Cisco product to include copying the jokes (programmers poking fun at one another) and errors that were made in the original code: http://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/18838778/cisco-sues-huawei-in-patent-copyright-dispute.htm;jsessionid=ZCL13oC0QBYcne6F2Zlxqg**.ecappj01
Today this Chinese firm has major market share and is set up all across the US, and Americans are buying, mindlessly, without consideration to anything except their own personal small little interest (usually a “marginal” cost difference). Since their product was cheap, Americans bought it. Who cares about the intellectual theft....... Americans care about that as much as they care in reality about the environment, child labor, forced prison labor, freedom of religion, speech, press, oppression of political dissidents, women, human right violations with forced abortions, or sterilizations or even tanks crushing protesters in Tienanmen square.............. At the end of the day the American will by the cheap product, and they have proven that with how they vote with their money.
Our politicians and people will vote “yes” for Chinese most favorable trade status even as the pictures of their tanks crushing protesters roll in in 1989. There is no “principal” behind American business and the consumer at this point. Everything is equivocal and about cost. Years past, a firm like EDS under Ross Perot would not do business with Iran come hell or high water, today GE is trying to get the US government to allow them into Iran and you have others trying to knock open the door with Libya, Cuba............ Your views are not uncommon may that be in business or as a consumer.
No American wants to loose their job or be the victim of off-shoring, but they are almost all eager to save a buck and buy that product “made in China.” Americans like their freedom, but they will essentially support a regime that oppresses freedom as long as they can have a cheap screw driver. Americans want a clean surrounding and not be inconvenienced by this phenomena pollution, but they don't care if others are choking to death from it elsewhere..... Those Americans that lost a relative in the Lockerbie incident will care, but the majority of Americans will not care one bit and American firms are eager to do business in Libya: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-10-06-1840414306_x.htm (There's a buck to be made/business or a buck to be saved/consumer!)
No principal except the maximization of pleasure to oneself = hedonism.
OK, so tell me HOW to tell if something is not marked.
Also, tell me where I can get a small lathe that is NOT Chinese for under $400. New.
Most recently, I've bought medications from, among other places, Dollar General. Foot powder, caffeine tablets, and the generic version of Excedrin. 400 to 800 percent difference in price from supposedly US made brands. I don't buy drugs that are marked “made in china” but lots of them do not have a country of origin marking, and my choice is them or nothing.
Lets try specific information, instead of useless generalizations. Maybe you can afford the higher prices,but I can't. How do I get good stuff for the price I CAN pay?
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
I hate to post off topic, but I was looking for some feedback about what I should do.
I was laid off in a cutback in late September and naturally started looking for jobs. Fortunately, I got an offer which I accepted in mid-November and have been working there since then.
However, I have since received a slightly better offer from a company I had interviewed for prior to the previous one, and am wondering if I would be considered disloyal or could possibly get into any difficulties if I quit the job I am at, even though I have been there such a short period of time.
Both these jobs are in a state where either employer or employee can terminate a job at any time, legally.
thanks for any feedback!
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