Republicans Want Review of Birthright Citizenship

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Republicans Want Review of Birthright Citizenship. Or is it Just a Cover for Another Cloaked more Sinister Objective? - Comments by CDR Kerchner (Ret)

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Republicans Want Review of Birthright Citizenship. Or is it Just a Cover for Another Cloaked more Sinister Objective?

What Senator Lindsey Graham is stating to the press with this new initiative of his is only half the story:

Comments on What's Really Up - The 6th Try Since 2001 by CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

Watch carefully how these key but sneaky Republican leaders (RINOs) such as Senator Lindsey Graham will cleverly game this new initiative of theirs to try and work on the very real "anchor baby" problem in the USA.

But while they overtly say they are trying to correctly define who is a "born a Citizen of the United States" per the 14th Amendment of the Constitution to solve this "anchor baby" problem, they covertly in the process will also be trying to confuse the 14th Amendment part of the Constitution with another part of the Constitution, i.e., who is a "natural born Citizenship of the United States" as required in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution, the Presidential eligibility clause.

These two parts of the Constitution have nothing to do with each other and are in the Constitution for two different purposes.

The "natural born Citizen" clause in Article II was added by John Jay and George Washington as a national security protection clause required for eligibility to serve in the singular most powerful office in our new form of government, President and Commander of the Military.

It was added as a higher level of qualification standards to the existing proposed eligibility clause proposed by Hamilton to provide a "strong check" against foreign influence on any future President after the founders were gone in order that the person in that office would have no "foreign influence" claims on them via birth.

They wanted all future Presidents and Commanders of the Military of the United States to have sole allegiance at birth to only the USA. Only a natural law "natural born Citizen" meets that requirement.

The "natural born Citizens", as defined by natural law, are people born in the country to two citizen parents of the country, and they are by far the most populous sub-group of those who are "Citizens by birth" of a country.

The remainder who are not "natural born Citizens" were made "Citizens by birth" per Statutory Laws passed by Congress such as Title 8 Section 1401, the 14th Amendment, and U.S. court decisions interpreting those laws and amendments, not always correctly.

To learn more on the difference between "Citizen by birth" and being a "natural born Citizen by birth" see the historic and scholarly legal treatise by Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Volume 1, Chapter 19, Section 212.

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I have a sinking, sickening feeling there's something sinister going on. What the heck are the pubbies doing to us??? We need to start with a clean slate. VOTE ALL OF THE SENATE OUT!

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[cradle of freedom]

Everything that Lindsey (Lohan) Graham does has an ulterior motive. That sleezeball could teach Machiavelli a thing or two.

I think there is a plot going on and it goes something like this. Graham is of course trying to get votes with his conservative voters. But at the same time, he is sabotaging the immigration issue because he knows that it will be take too long and be very difficult to get 2/3 of the states to pass such as ammendment. There are easier ways to address the 14th Amendment problem by congress simply passing legislation without going for the amendment. Graham is trying to sidetrack the birthright citizenship effort by actually making it harder than it needs to be and eventually sabotaging it. I think he is doing this in conjuction with the Democrats. No doubt they have worked out a deal with him.

[onyx]

I keep telling posting, (with scant few exceptions: DeMint and Coburn)

REELECT NOBODY!!

TRAITOR GRAHAM CAN’T EVER BE TRUSTED.

[umgud]

Show me another country in the world that grants citizenship to the offspring of illegals. This is insane and probably suicide.

[HiJinx]

Ping!

[patriot08]

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[azishot]

Bump for morning read.

[old republic]

It would depend on the exact wording of any proposed amendment. Can't tell intentions until you see the exact wording.

It is also possible that they are just trying to use this issue as a political wedge against the Democrats and to stir up anger in the base so that they will come out en masse to vote Republican. This is probably all posturing.

There is more to the natural born clause than just checking any possible loyalties of birth as the article suggests. Even if a person is loyal to the US, if they are not a natural born citizen, then they still might have relatives in another country whose safety could be used to coerce the president to do what they want. And that is only one of the very real dangers. The founders were wise and they knew exactly what they were doing putting that clause in there.

In any case, on the off chance that these politicians are seriously concerned with ending anchor babies and the welfare of the country, then they ought to ban dual citizenship in this country while they're at it. If a country grants its citizenship to an individual without any solicitation act of the individual, then they should be required to renounce it within X number of years (or by their 21st birthday if they're a minor) to the country that granted it by their 21st birthday. If they don't they should be banned from ever holding high level government office.

[Liz]

It’s tantamount to giving children of an invading army US citizenship.

[Prussianone]

Since most acts of citizenship take place when a person becomes of voting age, which at one time was NOT synonymous with the age of military service, I do not see the need for the 14th Amendment. I would have a piece of legislation in place, that demands that if one DESIRES to be a citizen, they must earn it. No more free pass on being a citizen, with no clue or desire to provide their half of the unspoken contract, i.e., we trained and educated you, now it’s your turn to produce. In such, the individual might just learn what they have, and be better edged to protect, unlike half of these college youths, that would gladly ‘whiz’ on the next returning GI.

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[stephenjohnbanker]

” It’s tantamount to giving children of an invading army US citizenship. “

Exactly

[stephenjohnbanker]

NO anchor babies!

[Bellflower]

Don’t trust them further than I can throw them. Throw them out!!!