Posted on 02/23/2010 1:28:49 PM PST by reaganaut1
A Newsweek poll got the following results:
Do you favor or oppose the following health care proposals:
a. Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help to those who can’t afford it
59% favor, 36% oppose, 5% don't know
b. Requiring most businesses to offer health insurance to their employees, with tax incentives for small business owners to do so
75% favor, 20% oppose, 5% don't know
c. If health coverage is required for everyone, imposing fines on individuals who don’t obtain coverage and on larger businesses that don’t offer it
28% favor 62% oppose 10% don't know
I don't get it. How can big majorities favor health insurance mandates on individuals and businesses and also oppose the fines that would be needed to enforce those mandates? (I oppose both.) It sounds like people answering questions (a) and (b) were just thinking "it would be nice if everyone had health insurance" but question (c) reminded them that it would involve government coercion.
I guess Republicans need to hammer home that (a) and (b) require (c), but it is depressing that people cannot see this for themselves.
Just goes to show how many out there are effectively brain-dead.
Next time there is a big FEMA bailout of a flood ravaged or flash fire scorched community, ask why they were not required to own insurance on their properties. Why do they need government assistance?
When you see a homeless mother and child with a sign “widow, broke, homeless please help” why wasn’t the father required to carry life insurance?
We can extend this mandate stuff to all areas of life.
How about requiring health club memberships?
Free lunch polling ...
I think that’s pretty normal. People are reluctant to punish generally, but you’re right it’s incoherent thinking. Plus, if not fines, then what enforcement mechanism would they prefer? imprisonment? capital punishment?
I favor mandating health insurance, but I do wonder if it wouldn’t be found unconstitutional to require people to do that.
I understand it. An unenforceable mandate is merely a request that they buy insurance. A 20 something slacker working in a call center ought to buy catastrophic insurance, and not just walk into a hospital uninsured. Its the right thing to do.
Sure, health care can go on a mandate if it wants, that’s none of our business, but enforcing a mandate, yuck!
(Are you sure it’s understood what ‘mandate’ means?
A Newsweek poll-is Newsweek still around?
Remember that was the issue that Obama hit Hillary with.
He put her into the situation where she had to explain how she was going to enforce her mandatory coverage and she flinched.
As usual, Newsweek only ask half of a question. What if the question were COMPLETE: “Do you support government forcing all Americans to have health insurance, regardless of the individuals wishes, while also forcing all Americans to pay for abortions, for illegals aliens, for sex change operations all under penalty of possible imprisonment of anyone refusing the program?” Think the answer might be just a little different??!!
Funny message, but please note that the Newsweek poll questions used the word “requiring”, which I assume people understand.
You can’t force insurance companies to cover pre existing conditions without first having everyone buy insurance. If you dont, most people will just wait until they’re sick before buying health insurance. Insurance companies won’t be able to survive at that point.
SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!
Sen Scott Brown's number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121
Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.
Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/
New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.
Friday, February 19, 2010
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm
Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries
Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009
Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
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The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.
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Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.
“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.
Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.
Do some reading, these are articles since Jan of 2010, older articles tell of waste, fraud, illegals, and earlier cuts.
TennCare cuts threaten Nashville General hospital | tennessean.com ...
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100204/NEWS0204/2040350/TennCare-cuts-threaten-Nashville-General-hospital
TennCare Cuts Under Way Now
http://www.memphisdailynews.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=47622
Call it coincidence or bad timing, but many physicians in Tennessee began taking a 14 percent cut for seeing TennCare patients on the same day Gov. Phil Bredesen announced deep cuts in health care spending.
TennCare Cuts May Close Some Hospitals
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/020710-tenncare-cuts-may-close-some-hospitals
TennCare Cuts May Close Some Hospitals
Proposed TennCare funding cuts would close The Med, hospital officials say
By Toby Sells
Published Friday, January 29, 2010
http://m.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/jan/29/med-cuts-would-kill-us/
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