Farah calls Newsweek on 'lie'

WASHINGTON – WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah today publicly called on Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham for a retraction of a statement in the magazine falsely claiming Farah is a proponent of a "conspiracy theory" that Barack Obama was not born in the United States.

"It's just a bald-faced lie and misrepresentation of anything and everything I have written and said about the eligibility issue," Farah said.

This type of action against 2nd Tier OBAMites may yield some results. Below is my original suggestion of starting such actions.

Could this be the Birth Certificate submitted by Obama's Grandmother?

Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:21:01 AM · 70 of 72

I am beginning to wonder if suing Factcheck.org might be a better idea. Forcing them to prove that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”

Yes, i have been thinking same. A plan to rightfully discredit the 2nd TIER. I define the 2nd TIER as those in positions (outside of federal govt) who have direct involvement in print media/internet media, ergo; newspapers/ bloggers / who cover for Obo. I am sure other Freepers here can better flesh this out into a mission statement to cover most bases.

An objective would be to force 2nd TIER members 1 by 1 to retract or correct previous inaccurate statements.

I got the idea when i remembered Larry Klayman's -Judicial Watch hound the Clinton Admin. by getting Sworn Testimony by some in his inner circle. I don't know how you "require sworn affidavits " of anyone, but he got the likes of George Step-on-all-of-us to answer questions under oath and posted such on the J.W. web site.

The thing that amazes me most is the willful ignorance shown by MSM pundits of the difference between a Certification of Live Birth and a Certificate of Live Birth or actual long form Birth Certificate. Hawaii has granted numerous legal Certifications of Live Birth to persons who were not actually born in Hawaii such as Obama’s sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro-Ng.

It is indisputable no-one including Obama, or anyone associated with the Obama campaign, or the Obama administration has ever shown a Certificate of Live Birth, what is known as a long form Birth Certificate. This document shows the time, date, and location of the Birth and has the name of the Medical Professional who assisted in the delivery of the baby. Of course there are some persons who were not born in a hospital or with the assistance of a medical professional. In this case however Obama, his representatives and his family have claimed that he was born in a hospital, although they have claimed different hospitals at different times.

The Main Stream Media's reluctance to look into this matter and their insistence on harassing, intimidating, and ridiculing those who feel it is a relevant issue is shameful to the point of being criminal negligence. No one on the outside seems to know the details of Obama’s birth, possibly not even Obama himself. The “conspiracy” here is the willful cover up and legal actions to prevent the release of the relevant documents. Are we to believe that a person who has repeatedly demonstrated that he is a pathological liar would spend nearly $2,000,000.00 to prevent the release of his birth documents is doing so because of some high minded principles? Give me a break!

This was something that had been circulating prior to the election. I thought it was an accepted fact. But at this point it is not clear whether an image of her COLB was/is actually available on the internet.

There are numerous references to her COLB in various places but whether they are legit I do not know. Nor do I really care a great deal because Hawaian COLBs were issued to percons not actually born in Hawaii. I don’t think that this is in dispute.

“”In light of the fact that the state of HI statute 338-17 allowed foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates and statute 338-5 allowed birth certificates to be obtained without any corroborating documents from any hospitals, there is no verifiable prima facia evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii,” she argues.”
from:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124973

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105371

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

http://www.redpills.org/?p=5095

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/maya-soetoro-ng.htm

http://clintondems.com/2008/08/claim-obamas-birth-certificate-forged-with-sister-mayas-original/

"This was something that had been circulating prior to the election. I thought it was an accepted fact. But at this point it is not clear whether an image of her COLB was/is actually available on the internet."

I can completely clear that up for you. No such image ever existed. The claim was invented by the first of the fake Birther "document experts," TechDude. He was exposed as a fraud by the second of the fake Birther "document experts," Polarik. Leo Donofrio was the one who eventually proved that Hawaii has no birth record for Maya Soetor-NG at all, let alone a COLB.

"Hawaian COLBs were issued to percons not actually born in Hawaii. I don’t think that this is in dispute."

You are wrong again. There does not exist a single example of a single COLB that was issued to somebody not actually born in Hawaii. And yeah, I know about Sun YatSen. But that's not a COLB and it was issued decades before the State of Hawaii ever existed. Unlike a COLB, it would not pass the State Department regulations regarding proof of citizenship at birth.

It is not your fault that Birther lies never die. These are just two of them that you have revived.

Thank you for researching this subject so thoroughly. Is it also a “Birther Lie” that the short form Certification of Live Birth that was provided by the Obama campaign did not show the hospital where he was born at or the doctor who delivered him? Is it a “Birther Lie” that Obama has spent huge sums of money to prevent the release of his actual long form birth certificate which would have verifiable information on it which would show where he was born and who was present? If those are not “Birther Lies”, please explain to me why this type of detailed documentation which is required by many little leagues for age verification should not be provided to concerned citizens by their president. Thanks.

"Is it also a “Birther Lie” that the short form Certification of Live Birth that was provided by the Obama campaign did not show the hospital where he was born at or the doctor who delivered him?"

No. But since there is no eligibility requirements for the Presidency regarding hospitals or doctors, that would hardly matter now, right?

"Is it a “Birther Lie” that Obama has spent huge sums of money to prevent the release of his actual long form birth certificate which would have verifiable information on it which would show where he was born and who was present?"

Actually, yes, it is. The best and most detailed accounting of all the Birther cases that have been filed show that almost none of them were against Obama himself, and so on those he spent zero dollars. Only three required him to hire lawyers, and at least one of those was handled pro bono according to the lawyer involved. The other two were dismissed based on rather short and inexpensive motions filed by his lawyers. There is simply no evidence that Obama has spent more a couple thousand dollars on these cases, and none of that could have been avoided by presenting his birth certificate.

"If those are not “Birther Lies”, please explain to me why this type of detailed documentation which is required by many little leagues for age verification should not be provided to concerned citizens by their president."

I leave it entirely to you what you personally feel should or should not be required. And I hope that if you are not satisfied, you will exercise your powerful legal authority and withhold your vote. I can only point out to you that under the US Constitution, no such documentation is required. If you want that changed, then you should contact your Congressmen.

Very good! I appreciate your efforts to show the kind of slippery tactics that lawyers are currently using to prevent the citizens of the country from being shown the documents that all of us should expect our president be willing to share. Would you like to argue the meaning of the word “is” with me also.

Quoting from the constitution,”No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I doubt whether the founding fathers imagined that appologists for a presidential candidate would have the audacity to argue that a person would not be required to provide verifiable documentation to prove his eligability. The question that I have for you is... why should the president not provide a copy of his long form birth certificate? Any documentation that would help prove his legitimacy as president could only increase his stature and authority both here and abroad. To not do this if such documents exist is counter-productive.

Your claim that there is no proof that the Obama and his representatives have spent no more than a couple of thousand dollars on this matter is simply laughable and undermines your credibility.

"I doubt whether the founding fathers imagined that appologists for a presidential candidate would have the audacity to argue that a person would not be required to provide verifiable documentation to prove his eligability."

Well, that's an interesting thought. I have to ask you... since birth certificates were not required by law in this country until about 1915, and since only 8 of our 44 Presidents ever had one in the first place, exactly what do you envision the founding fathers would have accepted as proof of eligibility?

That's not a rhetorical question, I'd really like to know what you think. What would say... Grover Cleveland have used to "prove his eligibility?"

"The question that I have for you is... why should the president not provide a copy of his long form birth certificate?"

To who? You? Who are you?

"Any documentation that would help prove his legitimacy as president could only increase his stature and authority both here and abroad. To not do this if such documents exist is counter-productive."

That's one possibility. Another is that he has already proved his legitimacy according to the standards of law and those who don't believe it won't believe anything he provided anyway. So any "increase in stature and authority" is doubtful.

"Your claim that there is no proof that the Obama and his representatives have spent no more than a couple of thousand dollars on this matter is simply laughable and undermines your credibility."

Oh... you misread my comment completely. I didn't say there was no proof. I said there was not even any evidence, let alone proof. The actual facts show that the claim is quite absurd. Orly's sanctions will add up to many times the entire expenditure of Obama on this issue.

Despite what you might think from our discussion here, I want you to know that I sincerely appreciate you and your associates efforts on behalf of Obama in the matter of his elegibility. I am very confident that the midterm ellections will result in a profound change in the make-up of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. It would be a terrible thing if documentation were to surface before the midterm elections in time for him to be forced from office. The resulting constitutional crisis could very well result in both Obama and his running-mate Biden being removed from office and Nancy Pelosi then becoming our nation’s first woman president.

If you can just draw this thing out long enough for the Republicans to take control of both houses of congress... there is a good chance that a Republican will serve as president for the remainder of Obama’s term.

Oh and if you don’t want to believe that anyone born outside of the state of Hawaii ever received a Hawaian COLB despite legal loopholes a mile wide that allowed this then (wink wink) that is just fine with me also. ;’)

So thank you again and keep up the good work! And from a long time member to a new person who claims to be a graduate of West Point and a veteran... welcome to the forums!

“Oh... you misread my comment completely. I didn't say there was no proof. I said there was not even any evidence, let alone proof. The actual facts show that the claim is quite absurd. Orly's sanctions will add up to many times the entire expenditure of Obama on this issue.”

OK, I got you we are speaking in code here aren't we? (wink wink) All those lawyers in the dozens of lawsuits related to this issue are working for free and have no connection to Obama or the Justice Department. I got you! (wink wink)

Hey if anyone else is reading through this thread (doubtful) then EnderWiggins has convinced me that we should all accept a completely unverifiable document that he claims meets the legal requirements for proof of eligibility for the presidency. Like he says they didn't have birth certificates or anything that proved anything about anyone until 1915. So just go about your business there is nothing to read here. I am just doing my part to keep one of the president's men busy and out of trouble. (wink wink). Thanks again EnderWiggins!

The natural born citizen requirement for the presidency was intended to prevent a person with divided loyalties from assuming the office. Obama’s life from the day he was born is a swamp of conflicting information, loyalties, associations with foreign interests and radical America haters. There is no need to rehash it all here, but Obama was not the one we have been waiting for; he is the one the framers of the constitution were hoping to protect us from. Unfortunately we have judges and people like you, EnderWiggins who would argue that no one has any “standing” to even raise the questions we have discussed here in court.

NO matter how you twist things around... the truth here is that no verifiable documentation has been provided to the public that proves anything about the details of Obama’s birth. The other fact whether that you cannot reasonably dispute is that teams of lawyers have been working on Obama’s behalf since before the election to prevent the documentation of Obama’s life from being unsealed in dozens of lawsuits.

I have noticed that in your arguments you make misstatements that attempt to confuse the issues such as your accounting of who spent the money for the teams of lawyers who are keeping Obama’s records sealed. It is complete obfuscation on your part and may work well at the sites that you are more accustomed to posting at but is fairly transparent here.

You argue that no one has the right to demand to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. You ask who am I. As far as I am concerned anyone in the world should be able to ask to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. He is in a position to hurt everyone in the world. We all can be harmed by the most powerful man in the world. We all have already been harmed by him. He is an irresponsible person who lies nearly everytime he reads from his teleprompter. His policies are a disaster.

”The natural born citizen requirement for the presidency was intended to prevent a person with divided loyalties from assuming the office.”

Says who? Certainly John Jay did not say that in his letter to Washington. He instead was worried about a foreigner becoming President, and in case you were unaware, dual citizens are not foreigners. They are dual citizens.

”Obama’s life from the day he was born is a swamp of conflicting information, loyalties, associations with foreign interests and radical America haters. There is no need to rehash it all here, but Obama was not the one we have been waiting for; he is the one the framers of the constitution were hoping to protect us from. Unfortunately we have judges and people like you, EnderWiggins who would argue that no one has any “standing” to even raise the questions we have discussed here in court.”

Those are all great reasons not to vote for him. None of them is a Constitutional disqualification from eligibility for the Presidency.

”NO matter how you twist things around... the truth here is that no verifiable documentation has been provided to the public that proves anything about the details of Obama’s birth.”

Other than a COLB that meets perfectly the United States Department of States regulations for proof of citizenship at birth, you mean. You know the one.

Now, if that is not good enough for you, then you have the recourse of withholding your vote. Just as I’m sure you have already refused to vote for every other presidential candidate who did not show you their long form birth certificate.

”The other fact whether that you cannot reasonably dispute is that teams of lawyers have been working on Obama’s behalf since before the election to prevent the documentation of Obama’s life from being unsealed in dozens of lawsuits.”

I dispute that without any genuine fear of contradiction. In the past two years no more than 10 hours total have been spent in court by any lawyers for Obama even responding to these suits. Your fantasy of “teams of lawyers” being involved in this issue is, well… frankly just weird.

”I have noticed that in your arguments you make misstatements that attempt to confuse the issues such as your accounting of who spent the money for the teams of lawyers who are keeping Obama’s records sealed. It is complete obfuscation on your part and may work well at the sites that you are more accustomed to posting at but is fairly transparent here.”

Well aren’t you the clever one. Can’t slip a thing by you. Except of course that you are the one who said Obama was spending the money when he’s not. I think you need to look up the word “obfuscation.” I don’t think it means what you think it means.

”You argue that no one has the right to demand to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. You ask who am I. As far as I am concerned anyone in the world should be able to ask to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. He is in a position to hurt everyone in the world. We all can be harmed by the most powerful man in the world. We all have already been harmed by him. He is an irresponsible person who lies nearly everytime he reads from his teleprompter. His policies are a disaster.”

For starters, please do not put words into my mouth that I never said. You absolutely have the right to demand to see anything you want to demand. You have the right to stand on a rooftop in Washington DC and demand to see Obama’s birth certificate, Joe Biden’s hair plugs and Angelina Jolie’s underwear. All of that is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Knock yourself out.

And all three of them have the right to say, “No.”

And you can then go on to vote accordingly.

ob·fus·cate (bf-skt, b-fskt)
tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: “A great effort was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth” (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.
3. The types of nonsense EnderWiggins posts to confuse a simple issue.

Q. Why is Obama still using teams of lawyers to prevent the unsealing of verifiable documentation about the relevant facts of his life?
A. He is hiding something.
Q. What is wrong with the president hiding relevant facts about his life?
A. Other persons or even foreign interests may know what he is hiding and this creates an opportunity for them to unduly influence his decision making process.
Q. Does Fireman15 know persons who have obtained security clearances and could Obama have passed a background check.
A. Yes Fireman15 knows persons who have received security clearances. Every one of them has agreed that Obama would not have even the slightest chance of passing a background check if he refused to provide the documentation that has been requested.
Q. How absurd is this situation to a person of normal intelligent with the slightest amount of common sense?
A. Extremely absurd.
Q. Why does EnderWiggin not find this situation absurd.
A. ???
Q. Does EnderWiggins have a hidden agenda?
A. ???
Q. Is EnderWiggins just blindly following his Messiah Obama?
A. ???

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