Skip to comments.All 40 Senate Republicans will filibuster ObamaCare at 8:00 p.m. on Saturday
Posted on 11/19/2009 7:54:59 PM PST by Bill Dupray
We need to peel off one Democrat to kill this thing.
For those of you glued to your laptops when the abortion known as PelosiCare was passed a couple of weeks ago, this Saturday's fight in the Senate will consist of 10 hours of debate, which were won by Republicans in return for their not having the entire bill read on the floor.
According to Roll Call (subscription required, but the snippet is there), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) will join the other 39 Republicans in the filibuster.
The first vote is scheduled for 8:00 p.m., so, if my math is correct, the debate begins at 10:00 a.m. In any event, the debate will be all day, and this is crunch time.
Plain and simple: If you value your freedom, now is the time to melt the phone lines in your Senators' offices.
As Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) notes at RedState, a vote by Democrats to proceed to a debate is a vote on the substance of the bill.
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What about Lieberman?
I have called, emailed, protested at tea parties, til I’m blue in the face. My Representatives are NOT listening.
Joe Liberman said no already and Ben Nelson is teetering on the No column.... Bombard Nelson its our best bet.
I don’t mean to be a pessimist, but I want to wait and see.
And there go the backroom deals to Collins and Snowe....
A 10 hour filibuster is what the Repubs got in exchange for not asking the 2k+ pages be read on the floor (and debated)?
Geez, when Jack traded the family cow for the three “magic” beans, he got a better deal than that.
A 10 hour filibuster? Reminds me of the “10 hour diet”...no food, other than drinks, veggies, fruits and nuts, for 10 hours. Amazing self sacrifice.
10 hour filibuster?! I’ve had diarrhea for longer than that.
What about Blanche Lincoln in AR. She is up for election. Anyone in the NW states like Dorgan or somebody in MT,WY, or Bayh in IN?
Bayh should be vulnerable because I think IN has Eli Lilly and Medtronic or Stryker. I think the drug companies, HMOs and medical device companies may have already sold out.
Do we know if Collins and Snowe will hold steady?
Hey Newt - thanks for screwing America in NY-23.
Liberman said no, he wouldn’t filibuster?
It should have been written into the Constitution, and made unable to be amended or repealed, that all votes taken by the Congress and Senate must be passed with an overwhelming majority, and all votes must be recorded with no option to vote “present.”
I’ve been emailing Lincoln, Landrieu and Nelson trying to get them to vote with the Republicans.
I’ll try again tomorrow morning.
We HAVE to stop this bill. We HAVE to. Our Grandchildren depend on us.
Here’s my LAST email:
Regretfully, I am not living in your fair State, however, fortunately, every Senator represents all US Citizens.
For the sake of your constituency and the entire United States of America, Please Read Every Word of Every Bill that You Vote On.
For the sake of our grandchildren, please vote NO on the Health Care Bill..
According to Rasmussen Reports: “Other recent polling shows that 49% would rather see no health care legislation passed this year than see the current bill become law. Two-thirds (66%) say an increase in competition is more likely than increased government regulation to reduce the cost of health care. Thats one reason there is strong support for removing the exemption from anti-trust laws currently enjoyed by insurance companies.
Only 31% believe Congress has a good understanding of the proposed health care reform. “
Set aside this Health Care Bill. It has taken up too much time and has grown to too many pages that often contradict other pages. The bill should have been written in clear concise English so that the average Down Easter could both read and understand it. Was it John Jay or Alexander Hamilton who wrote in The Federalist Papers that bills should be written so that the common man could understand them? Maybe it was James Madison.
If Congresspeople are admitting on television that they haven’t read the bill and would need a cadre of lawyers to explain it, doesn’t that pretty much mean it should not be passed?
Thank you for taking the time to read my email.
arrrrggghhh!!! The Republicans sold us down the river again. Is there any hope that Coburn, DeMint or someone else will still demand the bill be read in it’s entirety?
Blanche Lincoln is 12 points down if heath care passes in Arkansas. She knows its 69% of the of Arkansas are dead against it. Call and e-mail her.
So, you think Harry will not use the nuclear option to pass this for the empowerment of the democrap run federal oligarchy? HAH! Once the stupid pubbies vote to debate this crap, the democrats will claim there is general agreement and pass the kill on 51 votes, and the fifth column enemy of the people—the mainstream media—will mischaracterize ti all to confuse the stupid people who don;t want to be bothered anyway. Liberalism is a disease which is now so devastating a cancer, it is killing the Republic.
Thats an excellent point. However i do not see more then a few (maybe 10 states) that will go against the Feds. Politics has become just that. I’ll sell out the future of whatever there is, just so i can have power and clout for the next 4 years. the world will eventually be ruled by 1 “president” and i set of rules. question is, how long till that happens
evan bayh i think will vote no
That picture, if it’s real, really pisses me off!
Playing video games in Congress? Are you kidding me?
They’ve earmarked 100 million for Louisiana. So Landrieu won’t oppose it.
“Playing video games in Congress? Are you kidding me?”
No, that is from a state legislature. Those politicians have been named in the press already.
My understanding is that there are two possibilities for a filibuster. First, to proceed—just to debate the bill. Second, to cut off debate—the cloture vote. It seems to me that the key vote will be the second one. It’s here that Nelson—and maybe Lincoln and Bayh—would weigh in. (I’ve given up on Landrieu.) And if Lieberman is being honest, it’s here that he’ll vote no to shut off debate, siding with Republicans.
this vote on SAT is not final cloture to proceed to a vote on the legislation. (Drudge is reporting it like this is THE VOTE to pass the legislation.)
“After all, states created the federal government.”
The states were all but evicerated with the 17th amendment. The Senators used to be appointed by the state legislature but then some genius got the novel idea of having them elected by popular vote the same way that representatives were elected. It was the point at which the Republic’s destruction began to speed up.
All it would take would be one state. A state would have standing to challenge the Congress in the Supreme Court. It’s already apparent to conservative legal scholars that this bill is unconstitutional, mandating limits on our freedoms and on the freedom of the states themselves. A challenge in the courts would be the next line of attack should this bill pass.
Correct. **BUT** if it passes this Saturday, then all they need is a simple majority to pass the final Bill and send it back to the House. Passing Saturday is as good as final passage. It must DIE DIE DIE this Saturday!
That was in the CT legislature.
i dont know roger.
they will need 60 votes to cut off debate. cloture.
unless they do reconciliation. None of these articles are discussing the details properly.
Yeah, I agree, Lincoln is the most vulnerable dem on this. She's the one to pressure and offer support to if she votes no.
There won’t be a nuclear option. That’s the last thing the dems want. The bill is a comprehensive takeover by the government. By subjecting it to reconciliation, key parts of the bill would be missing. Even worse, the bill would expire after five years unless renewed by Congress. It’s not going to happen. It’s a threat designed to frighten moderates and Republicans—but nobody’s buying it. A more likely scenario would be the attempt to peel away Snowe by offering her the trigger option. Lieberman might also go for that. It’s the fall-back position. But I don’t think Nelson or Bayh would go for that compromise. I think they both really dislike the bill.
The vote is on starting the debate.
So, Lincoln is unlikely to vote against it.
I’m not sure pressure works anymore. They are hearing it from both sides. Either they see the ramifications to the country—or they don’t. Most moderates are appalled at the probable costs. There are at least ten moderates who have expressed qualms:
Nelson of NE
Nelson of FL
And maybe even Feinstein of CA who has publicly complained about placing more mandates on her state.
This is not just a Republican nightmare.
Theres no stopping this. And youll be amazed how easily it will pass the Senate. A year from now, the attitude will be We got socialized medicine, and the world didnt end! Those demotards were right. 2010 will not be a bloodbath, people forget. And the ugly stuff doesnt hit until 2013, remember. That is deliberately planned.
The GOP will be lucky to pick up twenty seats in the House, maybe even ten. The republic has been dying for decades; the ascension of Teleprompter Jesus is just the arrival of the minister for the funeral. Barry was right, the Nation Below Canada is no more exceptional than Greece or Turkey or Zimbabwe. The voters have seen to that.
It is time to sack DC.
Nelson of Florida loves this bill. Perhaps it’s time to turn up the heat in Florida:
Reid hasn’t got a lock on 60 votes—not by a long shot. You think senators don’t read polls? You think they didn’t notice independents in VA and NJ went for the GOP two-to-one? You think they don’t realize the public hates this bill? You think it’s only Nelson or Lincoln who will be hard to pin down? Take Dorgan of North Dakota. He’s high in the polls—but Gov. Hoeven is even higher—and there’s talk about his running against Dorgan. If he does, Dorgan is finished. You think he doesn’t worry about how his vote will effect that race? And Dorgan’s only one among many. You think Warner and Webb didn’t notice what happened in VA? You think Feinstein isn’t worried about piling even more debt on CA with a huge state mandate?
And you’re totally wrong about 2010. Did you see what happened at the townhalls and at the Washington march this August? You think people aren’t raging mad about this usurpation of their freedom? You think they’re not in the mood to throw the bums out? Think again. All the polls show otherwise. Nobody who knows politics is ignoring these signposts. On the contrary, we’re in a cold civil war—and the liberals have awakened a sleeping giant. The people are awake and alert and fighting made. Heads are going to roll.
You’re right about Dorgan. ND is pretty solidly conservative. No way he votes Yes and lives.
Where did you get that Nelson of FL likes this bill? It cuts 500 billion from Medicare—that’s out of the hide of his constituents. The seniors are up in arms about this—and last I heard they’re letting him know. In fact, Graham of SC mentioned Nelson of FL as opposing the bill—he did so in an interview with Greta von Sustern just days ago.
I see where you’re coming from. I watched the video. Yeah, it looks like he’s on board.
As for Nelson, well, I just pulled the video from his own website that’s on YouTube. Perhaps things have changed and he has changes his mind. I haven’t given up hope.
I still wrote him. As an MD. Not that anyone in the imperial palaces in DC is even listening to us. *sigh*
It’s true the health care bill doesn’t really kick in until 2013—but the taxes kick in right away. You think the public won’t react negatively to that? It’s already furious over TARP, over the bailouts, over the takeover of the banks—without anything being done to rescue the little guy who’s drowning in upside-down mortgages and taxes and credit card debt. Sure the public will stay mad. They’re watching the whole country become California.
Nelson had stated he doesn’t like the cuts in Medicare and wants that changed. But it’s a major part of how this thing is going to pay for itself supposedly. There’s no way they’ll cut any of that out. They’ve got enough problems just raising taxes to pay for the rest so they need to keep that in. Nelson is a big maybe.
Lieberman said he will vote no on the final Bill,if this moves forward on saturday with 60 votes when it comes back with all the garbage in it Lieberman can vote no and it will still pass because they will only need 51 votes.
This is all a Sham
The final Bill will only need 51 Votes after this procedural vote passes with 60.
Deal with it folks we have Been screwed
Come on Fredd,
Your representative is no different than the rest.
They aren’t interested in what you , I, or anyone thinks.
These crooks are only interested in themselves.
Get a torch, let’s storm the capital and burn it to the ground with them all in it.
LOL Boy Bayh can do ANYTHING and still get reelected. To get a NAY vote out of him will be a miracle!
I heard on WABC radio today that there is a provision on page 432 of this bill just for Landrieu. She gets $100 million towards Medicaid because she lives in a state that has suffered a disaster in the past 7 years, namely Louisiana.
The fence sitters are all getting paid off and Lieberman looked very pleased and conciliatory last night. I wonder what he’s getting?
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