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Posted on 10/22/2009 6:31:30 AM PDT by mickeyleroy
Please everyone! Pray for Addie Ruth Halbin to Francis X. Seelos taht she is cured of all her cancers & alzheimers.
Newbie, don’t you mean to pray to God or Christ?
Prayer to anyone but God is not just stupid, it's blasphemous.
Welcome to Free Republic.
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I think this is one for you and your ping list...
Pray to who??
I know some pray to saints, instead of God, but I checked; Francis Xavier Seelos is not even a saint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Xavier_Seelos
That said..... I hope and pray (to God) that Addie Ruth Halbin will be blessed by our Father.
Well there’s some fine Christian charity right there.
The poster is looking for prayer, apparently for a dear loved one, and the FReepers here chose that time to chastise him for his Catholic beliefs.
Nice.
Better one says, “I will pray for this person to Our Lord only. Prayers up.”
Tact is lacking here sometimes.
I will pray for your Loved one.
Isn't he one of the security guys on the Jerry Springer show?
A common mistake.
Let me make it even more clear: the presumption that “prayer to anyone but God is not just stupid, it’s blasphemous” is a common mistake.
Blessed Francis Xavier Seelos, C.Ss.R.
Often the faithful will pray specifically that a person whose cause is open will intercede to heal one of their loved ones, because 2 miracles are necessary for canonization. There is one miracle attributed to Bl. Fr. Seelos' intercession already under investigation.
Not likely, it would make more sense to pray to a cabbage, if you choose to pray to anyone/anything but God
BTW, "God is not mocked"
God bless you for getting to the real point of a desperate post. Too many here can’t wait to unzipped their dogma and swing it around in an obnoxious superiority dance. You showed compassion and care beyond yourself, something many “Christians” here don’t apparently have time for.
Pray means “ask.” I presume you never ask anyone to pray for you.
Blessed Seelos, intercede for this woman, we PRAY you.
The rest of you: pray does not mean 'worship', it means 'entreat'.
Asking a Saint to pray for you is perfectly reasonable, just like asking FReepers to pray for you.
See for instance Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."
Prayers for her health.
>>Too many here can’t wait to unzipped their dogma and swing it around in an obnoxious superiority dance. <<
May I quote you?
That says it all.
Only if you fix my improper tense usage to “zip” ;)
I will.
And ping you when I quote.
You’re amazing!
He and you presume that some "saint" who may not be a saint has any pull, (hint) no church is going to get you anywhere when your time "to assume room temperature" (thanks Rush) but your faith and belief in God, (another hint) you don't need a priest, Imam, monk, preacher druid shaman, to talk to God.
The proper request would have been "please pray for ......"
And BTW I need more prayer than there are people in the world.
Semantics. "Pray to Francis X Seelos" is no different than "ask the intercession of Francis X Seelos."
"Pray to" in this context is "direct your requests to"
Or?
(Whoops.)
How about a nice, “Yes, I will pray to Our Father for your loved one.”?
Responsibility2nd handled it quite nicely. While disagreeing on the dogma, added the prayer for the person at the end.
Love God more than you hate praying to saints.
The best way to teach Christianity is to show it.
Really?
Show me the word "Saint" in his post and everything...
[i]See for instance Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” [/i]
Everyone who is saved is a Saint...this scripture does not refer to just those who were “declared” saints by the Catholic Church....
I am a Saint..these prayers are from me and all other saved people who have prayed to God.
Jesus was asked once how we should pray..He said “Our Father who art in Heaven”....So, we should only pray to God not anyone else.
I will be happy to ask Bl. Francis X Seelos to intercede for Addie’s health and recovery.
RM, even though this person posted a request for prayers in “Bloggers and Personal” is IS a request for prayers, and as such should not be an object of ridicule, but sympathy. If the forum members can’t do as the poster asked, can they just avoid the thread?
And it’s not a prayer to win the lottery, for heaven’s sake! It’s a prayer for cancers and Alzheimer’s. Surely SOME here can empathize!
I routinely pray for anyone who requests it, with no judgement or need to know what their church or religion is. Do we really have to doctrinally beat up newbies posting for prayers?
“Asking a Saint to pray for you is perfectly reasonable, just like asking FReepers to pray for you.”
Except that you can communicate directly with FReepers and FReepers can communicate with God through Christ and engage in intercessory prayer. A middle-man fantasy “saint” (a powerless dead guy) is neither necessary nor effective, so why waste time? Pray directly to God through Jesus. (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. I Tim. 2:5)
Every born-again Christian is a “saint”. In the Bible, there is no higher-level guy who was decreed to be a saint, e.g., Paul, Stephen, etc. ALL Christians are saints, which is clear in Paul’s epistles. He wrote to, and referred to, “the saints” who were ALL the members of The Church, not just some of them — not just the cool ones or wo were extra spiritual.
We believe in adhering to the U.S. Constitution literally. Why can’t we give the Bible the same respect? Does Thomas Jefferson deserve more respect than God? What made the early popes believe that they had power over God to change His words and make up funky new stuff?
He's not dead.
So you can’t pray for the poor guy’s loved one, just deliver a sermon?
I’ll pray twice, to make up for you.
What a strange construction of reality. There's no evidence that the early popes believed they could do that, nor DID they do that.
Mickey, please don’t judge all FReepers by the few here who are anti-Catholic. There are plenty of us who can understand where you are coming from, and will take your petition to Bl. Francis X Seelos and other saints, and to the Lord our God.
Prayers also for you, for peace of mind and heart in this time of trouble.
If I were to move this thread to the RF and delete the inappropriate posts, it would look like Swiss cheese.
So, Judith Anne, I suggest you post a new prayer request for mickeyleroy on the RF and ping him to it so that he can see how it is done.
Then I can either pull this thread or let it go inactive, whichever mickeyleroy prefers.
I don't presume to know a whole bunch, but I know wrong and if his idea of praying to St Sparky is going to achieve his goal, oo rah! but please don't presume to know.
BTW I would think the best way to teach any belief is to live it, I think the Pharisees showed it by going out to the street corner to pray to be seen.
And I also recall some instruction on going into your closet to pray to God the Father.
Could just be Roman Catholic. They pray to dead people. Unless a Christian says something Bibley. Then they say they don’t, and we’re stupid for saying something. Then when we’re gone and there’s just them, they go back to it.
No, that's not why
>>How about identifying heresy and calling a spade a spade. Blasphemy is what it is. You can’t candy coat wrong.<<
Exactly and this poor poster came here looking for prayers not a lesson in dogma.
Prayers are right, smacking him/her around for asking in his/her own way, is wrong.
The Christian in me would offer prayers to Our Lord Jesus Christ in answer to a prayer request even if someone came here and asked for prayers to Allah, Gaia or Buddha. That shows Christian charity. Perhaps the teaching should be in FReepmail.
It’s a pity that this poor poster didn’t know to post this in the Religion forum. There, prayer requests are off limits to arguments.
I don't doubt for a minute you would pull this thread.
Just to spare someone's thin-skinned feelings? I've copied these remarks for later use in the event you decide that freedom of religion is not applicable here.
They're not dead.
Well, actually, that’s one verse from Scripture, not God agreeing with you.
Your own personal interpretation of that verse agrees with you, but it’s all rather circular.
Nonetheless, they’re not dead.
Nice.
And when the Religious Overlord zaps this thread to Religion....
Your post will be deleted too.
Perhaps.
But my point is made.
Please close this thread. The new one is open in the Religion Forum, and I wouldn’t want to cause any more trouble to the OP.
But instructions are always helpful, and correct for setting one straight.
My apology, here is the link to the new thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2368428/posts
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