Posted on 02/09/2008 8:59:59 AM PST by davidosborne
JUST SAY NO --- Plan for a Conservative victory in 2012....
JUST SAY NO : To John McCain ^
JUST SAY NO - To John McCain PART II (How the left will destroy John McCain..... MUST READ)
JUST SAY NO : To a third PARTY.. (Republican Party is NOT dead -- YET)
Okay folks here we are.. we all know that the conservative majority in America has suffered a tremendous blow in the 2008 Presidential race.. but the conservative base is STILL in the GAME, and while we are down we are NOT defeated .... YET..
I would like to introduce the --
JUST SAY NO --- Plan for a Conservative victory in 2012....
In the previous threads I and a few other freepers tossed around the idea of conservatives voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA... whichever the case may be....I would liket to present FOUR (4) reasons why I think this is a good strategy for victory in 2012...
#1 JUST SAY NO ...
- First and Foremost... IF we rally behind McCain we send the message to the RNC that we will ALWAYS pull the lever for the "R" no matter how unacceptable the candidate is.... the argument that we "hate the "D" more than the "R" ---> voting for the lesser of 2 evils is no longer acceptable to the conservative base in America... PERIOD <----
#2 JUST SAY NO ...
- Voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA in the General Election will give a LOPSIDED VICTORY to the "D" thereby making their win CLEARLY illegimate to the WORLD !! <--- and YES the WORLD watches U.S. Politcs.. and if all the PUNDITS get on board with this plan we can futher the conservative agenda around the world even more... bringing in a 3rd party will ALWAYS result in a LIBERAL victory.. the fact is the CONSERVATIVES are the majority, yet conservatives will split their vote every time.. while the minority LIBERALS stand united and WIN... every time... In a strong TWO-Party system conservatives win EVERY TIME... in a 3-party system LIBERALS win .. EVERY TIME....
#3 JUST SAY NO ...
-- and a VERY important part of this plan.. we need to DEFUND the PRESIDENTIAL RACE in 2008.... sending a dime to the RNC, or sending a dime to McCain sends the message that the Conservatives in America will support ANYONE with an "R" -- and I just can't do that anymore...
#4 JUST SAY NO ...
-- and just as important as #3 is this... we need to divert ALL of our time/money that would normally be spent on the presidential race to the CONGRESSIONAL RACES... and here is why.. we MUST take back congress to keep the HildaBEAST or Obama in check.. there are several obvious reasons for this.. but I would like to point out ONE important but not so obvious reason... and this should help ease the conscience of anyone who THINKS they are "supporting" Obama or the HildaBEAST by voting for him/her... not only will a lopsided "victory" actually be --> GLOWING defeat...<-- the conservatives in congress will be EMPOWERED to aggressively oppose her administration because they will be able to say.. "Yes, I voted FOR you because the RNC candidate was unacceptable.." --- think about this way.. HOWEVER, IF we support McCain, and he actually is able to win (which I doubt) the conservatives in congress will feel OBLIGATED to support his agenda, and it WILL be the END of our TWO-PARTY SYSTEM... This is the MAIN reason why a THIRD-Party approach to 2008 is UNACCEPTABLE... IMHO..
TOWARD VICTORY (in 2012)
BTTT
It seems that all the party regulars have closed ranks around McCain, and are lecturing us about it. I wonder who they hope to convince - us, or themselves, or maybe the undecideds, with whom they hope to be able to win without us - a most forlorn hope, imo.
I’m still writing Hunter in no matter what. My primary is over and I’m looking forward to defeating Levin and Stabenow. (we took out my congressional RINO in the last election.)
David -
I think there are good arguments for supporting and not supporting McCain in the general election. It's a matter of how low one sets one's minimum standards.
I would hope you would not throw the baby out with the bath water, the wheat out with the chaff, and give up on those who do decide they can vote for McCain.
Personally, I would not have been able to vote for Rudy or Romney in a general election, so I know how you feel, but I will for McCain.
I’m strongly tempted to write in Ronald Reagan. Even though he’s dead, he’d still make a better president than any of the rest of the rotten choices we have today.
The ONLY way to make this happen is for the BASE to not only REJECT McCain.. but to reject ANY conservative who endorses him..... PERIOD....
Before you write in Reagan I hope you’ll read this article by Michael Reagan and consider a living choice. I think you’ll like the article.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelReagan/2007/10/10/where%e2%80%99s_the_fire
One suggestion?
For 2012, we need ONE conservative candidate that we can all back. Conservative tend to prefer governors, they’ve actually RUN SOMETHING. Barring any unforseen misfortunre between now and 2011, I put forth the ticket of Barbour/Jindal.
JohnnyZ,
I am sorry to hear that you have set your “conservative” bar low enough to vote for McCain.. just remember that in doing so.. you are sending the message to the GOP that will pull the lever for ANY candidate that has “R” next to his name.. I seriously encourage you to consider the fact that IF McCain wins we are MUCH worse off than if the HildaBEAST or Obama wins.. because the Republicans in congress will feel obligated to support the “R” in the WhiteHouse.... that is a fact my FRiend..
IMHO.... the ONLY real conservative choice for 2012 is Duncan Hunter.... BAR NONE..
Sorry, but I am not for federally funded abortion mills. The GOP nominee will get my vote.
Amazing the rationalization it must take to nominate McCain, who hates us, has actively blocked conservative policies, run a shadow gov with the Dims and the MSM, agitated against the Pres, VP, and the DOD, in public during wartime, and has run a liberal campaign claiming gov can control the weather and the earths temperature.
Simply amazing considering none of our other candidates (RG,MR,FT), save Huck and Paul, have done, or have vowed to do any of the above mentioned. And wanted to be hired to work for us, using their skills to battle our enemies, the terrorists, the Dims, and the MSM.
Stunning really, that the GOP base would nominate someone who vows the complete opposite.
That will be fine if you want to have 2-3 liberal supreme court judges put in place for the next 40 years.
That will be fine if you want surrender in Iraq.
Wish you had listened to Rush the other day. He was discussing this “teach the GOP a lesson” tactic.
Per Rush - he told us that if we sat out the 06’ elections, we would get someone like John McCain as president.
So, thanks to all of the people that played that hand in ‘06 and other elections, thanks to all who prefer to moan and complain but not be responsible for the direction their vote takes us - we now have the choice of Hillary, Obama, or John McCain.
Rush advised that all we can do now is start at the local level and support the conservatives we find because that is where our next conservative leaders will come from.
He also advised that all we can do now is insure that we get as many GOP people into the congress. Because, IF there is a democrat congress and a McCain or a Hillary/Obama, McCain will only push through the democrat agenda, that no conservative judges will be seated and that there will be surrender or mismanagement in the war.
So, playing the vote for the opposition gain will be just that - another cave by the conservatives because they disrespect their vote.
We need a few fighters - not quitters.
And I am sick to death of the thought that if we destroy we will eventually win.
That is quitter politics and will never win anything.
We live in a society that more and more wants government to solve all problems and pay all bills. So, don’t ever think your one vote will convince them they need to give up the government welfare.
We have to fight it daily - not give it away.
I’m surprised at you.
Our vote is needed to further the conservative cause - not cave to the enemy. I’m sure Hillary/Obama will gladly take your vote - it helps them set up their socialism and destroy conservatism.
“IMHO.... the ONLY real conservative choice for 2012 is Duncan Hunter.... BAR NONE..”
Part of his problem is lack of name recognition. Another is that he’s not run anything. He’s voted. That’s it. I love the guy, but he will not win. If he get in the race, other more well known conservatives will jump in, and we will wind up right back where we are today, with a closet Dem receiving the nomination.
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