Posted on 07/25/2006 4:15:30 PM PDT by shining_city
Miss Marple, IIRC, you are somewhere in Indiana.
I am in (very small town) South Central Indiana, and I can't spit without hitting an illegal.
In my area, which is quite economically depressed anyway, these people are putting the locals out of work.
If it's a problem here, I do suspect that the numbers are much larger than we have been told. But I don't think anyone knows for sure.
I, for one, actually like most of the Mexicans I have met. I grew up with them in El Paso, and spent a lot of time in Mexico in my youth. Generally I have found them to be warm, hardworking people. Maybe I've just been lucky.
I'm all for LEGALLY processing people into this country to work. But the unfair advantage that illegals get with respect to employment, free health care, and the cost to our society is unacceptable.
It is not fair to ANYONE.
I am living in Summit IL which is a suburbof chicago. Mexicans outnumber whites 2 to one. They out number Blacks 2 to one as well. So Mexicans outnumber Americans 2 to one. You think that's a problem?
Because that's one in ten people you see!
Well, in many of our largest cities I think it is quite conceivable illegals account for five to ten percent of the their respective populations. And I mean "illegals" from all parts the globe, not only Mexico. That is just the impression I have from having lived in and around some our largest cities within the last 10 years. I was a long time resident of New York and now live in San Diego.
I can see how many people would view the 30 million figure as extreme, but I am not willing to dismiss it out of hand. I look forward to reading Gilchrist and Corsi's book and seeing how they arrived at that number.
When I refer to illegal aliens, I also refer to their children born on U.S. soil. Our Constitution has been (some say mistakenly) interpreted as attributing citizenship to the children of illegal aliens that are born on U.S. soil.
While I do fault the illegal alien for being here, I do not hate them, with the exception of those who commit crime here, and only then violent crimes. These people should not be here, and thus their crimes should never have been committed here, violent or otherwise.
I not only respect our nation and it's laws, I respect the citizens who have every right to expect their elected officials to uphold their oath of office, protecting those citizens from all unintended ramifications of U.S. laws that are not upheld.
Our citizens are being sold out across the board. Every public official across this nation that swears an oath to uphold the laws of the United States, should be fired if they do not demand and see to it that our immigration laws be enforced at the federal, state and local levels.
Hyperbole doesn't help anyone.
There is a common misconception that illegal immigrants are generally taking only low paying positions. While that is true in many instances, it is also true that in many instances they are being paid what most people would consider up-scale wages, far in excess of minimum wage.
Through the use of fraudulent papers and under the table deals, these people are able to obtain work in construction, meat packing plants and a variety of jobs. Many of them exist in a black market, not paying any income taxes due to cash payments under the table.
Other considerations play into this. Through networking, these people are able to and willing to live in sub-standard conditions you and I wouldn't. While that is their choice, it is also preditory to communities that should be developing middle class neighborhoods, but instead are developing regions of multi-family dwellings where the dwelling and the community decline.
This makes it impossible for U.S. citizens to obtain a living wage with compounds the problem.
You ask how I would fix this. I would start by providing a resource for businesses that would allow them to be required to submit social security numbers for evaluation. A fraudulent SSN would pop out out as a duplicate, attributed to a deceased individual or invalid. I'd give employers ninety days to clean up the status of their staff. Then I'd put teeth into a penalty system.
I'd make the penalty stiff enough that employers would realize it was far too risky to give jobs to non-citizens any longer. I'd allow a few violations, and then I'd start revoking federal tax I.D. status and the ability to conduct business.
I would work with the members of Congress so that any federal government funds would be eliminated in twelve months. I would ask my attorney general to challenge the 14th ammendment, with specifics to the born on U.S. soil clause. If it were deemed valid, I would ask the Congress for an ammendment to eliminate the problem.
If an illegal alien were stopped driving a vehicle without a license, I'd impound the vehicle and deport the individual. Any illegals who came into contact with the law would be deported.
Emergency healthcare would continue to be provided, but the individual would be deported post treatment.
Illegal aliens took a chance coming here knowing full well what our laws were. I don't think we need to be bashful about enforcing laws they have expected us to enforce since they came here.
As hard ass as this may seem, I would also invite the President of Mexico up to a summit, and at that summit I'd tell that son of a bitch that if he didn't get his act in order, we'd do it for him.
I'd offer him help. I'd offer him economic advisors. I'd offer him insentives, promoting corporate investments across the border.
The Mexican national is abused. They are abused on their side of the border. They are abused on our side of the border. That s--t has got to stop.
If I found a business abusing an alien, I'd throw the persons responsible into a deep dark hole. I don't want anyone abused. I want to see everyone have a chance. I happen to think that the most wholesome remedy to this situation involves the best and brightest of Mexico, applying their talents south of the border.
Mexico should be an economic rival of ours, not a spare tire that has developed a leak just prior to blowing out.
HERE's the best source on the true numbers of illegals here and how that number is computed.
Very good, Ash - people don't seem to be getting the implication of one-tenth of the people walking around with little fear of prosecution shouldn't be here at all. Those that do get it consider it the price that the remaining middle class must pay so their "betters" have nanny's, landscapers, underpaid laborers held hostage by their illegality...
The one-third of Mexico's population residing here is probably closer to one-fourth but that's still a preposterous amount in favor of a single nation. That they stay here with little to no problem indicates massive document fraud and how the IRS's overweening concern for their "right to privacy" prevents law enforcement from tracking them down and deporting them. The Attorney General could do much to change that, but look who's holding that office.
It's also not widely known that all the money the Social Security Administration has been collecting under false numbers is now up into the 'teen billions - pushing the date of inevitable Ponzi-topple far past the retirement dates of the bureaucrats overseeing this fraud perpetuated on us all.
Well hate is too strong of a word, but I dont like them being here, that's for sure. In measured amounts, I wouldn't mind, but I do NOT want their culture to take over here.
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You just simply don't care that millions of foreigners are living here without any legal right to, do you?
Due to my wife being a native of Mexico (a convert from catholicism), I am VERY aware of why we don't want the culture here. If I could only show people the absolute cult nature of their religion and the grip it has on people, you would cry (or you have no compassion at all). It is a total heartache to me to watch them give total devotion to a priest who literally cares nothing about them, to mourn at funerals with little or no hope for the life after this one, to ruin their lives in sin because they are not taught any differently, etc., etc.
If people would actually do a little research and SEE what is really going on, they would not only change their lives to follow Jesus through the Bible teaching, they would demand the government put an immediate stop to illegal immigration as it is going to cause the destruction of this nation as we know it.
If you lie long enough, people will begin to believe it. By the time we've figured out you're lying, it will be far too late. In fact, we've been lied to about the illegal immigrant numbers for so long, that the general public doesn't have a clue -- and that is the goal of the pro-illegal immigant "We're going to take your country over." crowd.
What was that famous statement? "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people ALL of the time. It is time for a confrontation over all of these lies that are going to destroy peoples' lives. Anyone caught spreading a lie should be stopped (by whatever means necessary) immediately.
Exactly right. If we were told the truth about those who oppose our argument about the numbers, we would find that 9 out of 10 of those individuals have a vested interest in having illegals here. They are landlords renting to them, employers hiring them, businessmen selling to them, lawyers taking their cases, Democrats wanting their votes no matter what the consequences, etc., etc. NO ONE is going to defend illegal immigration unless (s)he has a vested interest or is mentally ill.
What part of Texas do you live in that is not infested with illegal alien criminals?
You can't swing a dead cat by the tail with your eyes closed in Houston and not whack at least two of them.
"It is really getting into the realm of deliberate propaganda from these folks."
From the kings of illegal apologist propaganda BS artists, that's kinda funny. Thanks for this mornings laugh.
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Car theft, home burglaries, vandalism, etc are okay?
I don't understand. These crimes make people miserable especially having one's home invaded and cost them money and then in turn cost us all money due to higher insurance payments. The loss of peace of mind to go out of town or to even be away for work for nine hours is a real problem.
Would these criminals like it if Americans stole their stuff? No, they would try to shoot us.
Instead of just sniping, why don't you offer some facts to refute the premise?
susie
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