Darwinian thought and the march to the Holocaust

Get some sleep.

What's below also appears at this, which has the block quotes properly block quoted:
Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the Final Solution
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/a005766a77c48cbd?

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A Chronology

Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.

Darwin, Charles. 1859. _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life_ (London: John Murray), 513pp.

1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/5c52c58f8f123208?
1989 Koster: "it was Christianity that put an end to slavery around the globe"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406281819.5f06fed5%40posting.google.com

1863 Darwinist ethnologist Oscar Peschel:
The Negro is far removed from the European and close to
the ape through its small build, through the relatively
small breadth of its skull, through its relatively long upper
limbs, and further the relatively short length of the
thigh.... Also the Negro is more animal, in that it gives
off a disgusting odor, distorts its face in grimaces, and its
voice has a harsh, grating tone.
Cited in
Weikart, Richard. 2004. _From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany_ (USA: Palgrave Macmillan), 312pp., 112. About Weikart's book:
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407030531.19253d93%40posting.google.com

1866 Rolle and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/5fa25b3efc264596?

1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/a70c547d1f53588b?

1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett: Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net

1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being [CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/af7ba99b77080b21?
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/3ad5873afc8b3c80?
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/939d21b69b475095?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine of redemption"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/02471e07781c7e66?
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?

Haeckel on murdering the disabled
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate; Hitler was a homosexual
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/9024224bd3d87aec?
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/e2c0f26ebb5d381b?
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/3b06bb633ef68ea1?

Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com

1922 Max Nordau:
Good and bad.... are subject to the laws of evolution in
society and therefore in a constant state of flux....
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411271314.4b84581e%40posting.google.com

undated Theodor Fritsch-- Weikart characterizes Fritsch as [Weikart on 55]"a highly influential anti-Semitic publicist":
Morality and ethics arise from the law of preservation of
the species, of the race. Whatever insures the future of
the species, whatever is suited to raise the species to an
ever higher level of physical and mental perfection, that is
moral.
Cited in Weikart, 55.

early 1930s Hitler: "the process of selection can be accelerated by political means"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/7e16e9cbc9fb4b19?

If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported the killing of Baby Knauer?
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions

from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27

1939
Wesley Smith in his 1997 _Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from
Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder_
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
In early 1939, children born with birth defects or with
congenital diseases began to be killed under the
euthanasia program. These unfortunate children were
admitted to medical clinics by their doctors, where they
would be euthanized. Most of these children were
voluntarily turned over to medical authorities by their
own parents; some (but certainly not all) knew, or at least
suspected, that their disabled children were being sent to

their deaths. New reporting rules made it mandatory for
midwives and doctors to notify authorities when a baby
was born with birth defects. Once the referees
determined that the children were eligible for euthanasia,
they were killed either by intentional starvation or an
overdose of a drug, most typically a sedative called
Luminal. The euphemism of choice for this butchery was
"treatment."
It wasn't long before the list of those eligible to be killed
expanded.
Note the "killed either by intentional starvation or an overdose of a
drug."

1940 Nazi film "All Life is Struggle" embraced Darwinian natural selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407042043.1c2ccf1f%40posting.google.com

1941 Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/6ab79a88a19145a0?

1942 Eichmann: "possible final remnant... is the product of natural selection," 1942 Heydrich
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/c075c58afa667237?

excerpts from a 1942 Nazi biology textbook for the middle school
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/textbk01.htm

1943 Goebbels: a "process of selection between the strong and the weak"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/b74948086f4a6984?

Paul Johnson: Hitler practiced social engineering
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407070355.27039a45%40posting.google.com

1973 Watson and 1978 Crick
From
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
In May 1973, James D. Watson, the Nobel Prize
laureate who discovered the double helix of DNA,
granted an interview to _Prism_ magazine, then a
publication of the American Medical Association.
_Time_ later reported the interview to the general
public, quoting Watson as having said,
If a child were not declared alive until three days
after birth, then all parents could be allowed the
choice only a few are given under the present
system. The doctor could allow the child to die
if the parents so choose and save a lot of misery
and suffering. I believe this view is the only
rational, compassionate attitude to have.
In January 1978, Francis Crick, also a Nobel
laureate, was quoted in the _Pacific News Service_
as saying,
. . . no newborn infant should be declared human
until it has passed certain tests regarding its
genetic endowment and that if it fails these tests
it forfeits the right to live.

Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.

1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett: Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net

any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net

"Get some sleep."
I plan to. Just 1 more thing....

Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and Berning"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/6d557ba894c09499?

You have to admit, he did reply with commentary.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

A few things:

1. The Nazis wore uniforms. The US Army also wears uniforms.

2. Evolutionary science is not normative - not any more than the theory of gravity. It's people who set the standards of moral behavior. (BTW, the Nazis also applied the theory of gravity to their bomb-making.)

3. If it were not for evolutionary theory, the Holocaust would not have happened?

4. The key difference between creationists and "evolutionists" is not the specifics of historical events in each worldview. The difference is epistemological - how you know what happened during the creation of the world. The creationists say "whatever the text of the Bible says is the truth and the complete truth" (i.e., there are no gaps in the knowledge of the text). The "evolutionists" say "we know what happened based on our observation of physical phenomena and physical evidence." So, the difference between these two camps is methodological. Was it the scientific method that led to the holocaust?