There's the impact. No trails or anything. It was forced down by islamics.... And if it was shot down, why hide it? It had to be done anyway.
Posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:46 PM PST by Polycarp
What I have heard locally is verified by this article, or this article verifies what I have heard from locals, for whatever its worth.
To us the most striking finding was the distance and volume of debris from the crash site, especially in New Baltimore.
President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?
If they had to shoot dowbn this plane, that's OK. It was necessary.
And they do not have to tell us if or why.
I'm a local. This article accurately relates what the locals saw and heard.
I've thought from day one that Flight 93 was shot down, and nothing has changed that opinion.
My entire township around our local municipal airport was evacuated and clamped down after this crash, and there was military air traffic in and out all day. I couldn't even head north out of town on Route 219 because of the security clampdown.
More happened here than we have been told.
And I thank God the adults in the White House did the right thing.
Far more people would have been killed otherwise.
Mind candy.
Pure conspiratorial garbage meant to whet the rumor appetite, titalate the cerebral and pad the publisher's coffers ...
Shortly after the incident, on one of the 60 Minutes type programs, Minetta was pinned to the wall on whether the plane was shot down or brought down and he totally weaseled with: "Some combination of both."
I'd be very interested in a link, or any actual evidence Minetta said this anywhere, much less "on a 60 Minutes type program".
I haven't been able to find it yet.
"Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane ... spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. Hmm he didn't say "Jesus - WE'VE BEEN HIT!" or "Jesus - SOMETHING JUST BLEW UP!" Sorry, this doesn't wash ... Geez ... remember a NUMBER of pasengers made calls via the GTE Airfones on board that flight - and I suspect that there were a couple of calls in progress DURING this entire time (I would have made one myself - damn the three dollars a minute it would have cost me if I had lived!) period! Anyway - it's NOT likely an appropriately placed air to air missile would have had negligible effect and NOT made a loud noise ALSO hearable over the phone connection TO the guy on the ground ... "a one-ton section of the engine" What does that mean? A one-ton section? Was it the turbine? Was it part of the external turbine housing? What kind of FORCE from an explosion results when an airplane augers in at high speed? How mush debris is belched out - like when a rock hits water or an impact crater is made? "but at 9:22 am a sonic boom" What happens when one starts mucking around with engine thrust on turbo fan engine - can you do weird stuff like dump excess fuel into it and then shut-off-restart if you don't know what you are doing? "earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania" Maybe this was because of something else - like the usual bachground noise from sources including truck vibration of the ground ... "the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind" I suspect this would NOT be the last sound heard on the CVR if they had been hit by an air to air missile. WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND OF AN EXPLOSION!!!! "less than 10 minutes flying time from Washington. " IF the goombas flying it KNEW which direction to head, and, the FAA guys watching the ARSR's (Air Route Surv. RADARs would have KNOWN this and would ALSO have seen the interceptors on their scopes TOO. WAS THERE A CONSPIRACY TO SHUT THESE GUYS UP? - - - - - REALLY NICE conspiracy theories are usually wound around the SELECT PRESENTATION of just a FEW FACTS, like the so-called 'facts' below. Sort of like a trial where ALL you hear from is the prosecution - or the defense!
Normally I would agree.
however, this British chap got every single detail correct except the name of the Lake (Indian Lake, not India Lake.) He did his homework.
I have heard these same exact details about the white plane from locals from day one.
This account of locally known facts is accurate. The conclusion might be incorrect, but the fact there was another lowflying aircraft present at the time of the crash is irrefutable. It is a consistent story heard from day one.
You do not know that definitively.
The public is much better embracing the "hero" story of Flight 93 in any case.
I stand by my recollection. Because I was not cooking at the time, I'm almost confident it was a weekday, not a Sunday program.
If I were looking, I'd check the transcripts of 60 minutes 2 and 20/20 first and then check the TV schedule to see what other similar type programs it might have been. It aired within a couple weeks of the bombing.
If we still had the ability to use Google properly to search FR threads for text strings OR the old search functions on FR, it's possible I could dig up the several threads on which I quoted him within days of the broadcast.
"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side.
It was a Falcon 20.
Seems there was a pilot's story posted from one the USAF or ANG pilots who scrambled for the hijacked airliners that day. Shoot down was not unthinkable, but embarrassingly impossible. The pilots report the fighter aircraft were unarmed September 11. (One big happy post-cold war new world order family.)
The pilot's takedown plan was to slice the hijacked aircraft wing off with the fighter aircraft wing in a daring midair collision. Rotating the fighter aircraft into a 90 degree tilt, then pulling the eject lever right before impact. Sure wish I knew where the story was.
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