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WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?
mirror.co.uk ^ | 1/27/03 | RICHARD WALLACE

Posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:46 PM PST by Polycarp

WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?

RICHARD WALLACE, US Editor, examines riddle of hijacked jet as he visits crash site

THE unmarked military-style jet swooped down at high speed through the valley, twice circled the smouldering black scar where Flight 93 had careered into the ground just seconds earlier and then hurtled off over the horizon.

GRIEF: Victims' relatives visit a makeshift memorial at crash site

At least six eyewitnesses saw the mysterious aircraft on the morning of September 11 last year. But the US authorities deny it ever existed.

So when George Bush laid a wreath yesterday at the crash site in a remote valley outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, he was one of only a handful of people who know what really happened to the 40 innocents and four hijackers aboard the doomed United Airlines Boeing 757-200.

Those unimaginable final seconds as passengers showed courageous defiance apparently wrestling for control of the aircraft have become one of the defining images of the tragedy.

And "Let's roll" - ringleader Todd Beamer's no-nonsense call to arms - became a defining battle cry in America's war on terror.

But of the four aircraft taken on September 11, the exact fate of Flight 93 after its two-hour journey is proving difficult for US officials to explain.

What was the white jet doing there and why won't they admit to its presence? Why did other witnesses see smoke and flames trailing from Flight 93 as it fell from the sky, indicating a possible explosion aboard?

Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongey earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?

Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head.

"It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was travelling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.

"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realised it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.

Ididn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.

"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.

"If they shot it down, or something else happened, everyone, especially the victims' families, have a right to know."

Lee Purbaugh, 32, was the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93 as it came down on former strip-mining land at precisely 10.06am - and he also saw the white jet.

He was working at the Rollock Inc. scrapyard on a ridge overlooking the point of impact, less than half a mile away. "I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Daily Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

But did he see another plane? "Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."

Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

"It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."

India Lake also contributes to the view there was an explosion on board before the Newark-San Francisco flight came down. Debris rained down on the lake - a curious feat if, as the US government insists, there was no mid-air explosion and the plane was intact until it hit the ground.

"It was mainly mail, bits of in-flight magazine and scraps of seat cloth," Tom said. "The authorities say it was blown here by the wind." But there was only a 10mph breeze and you were a mile and a half away? Tom raised his eyebrows, rolled his eyes and said: "Yeah, that's what they reckon."

Light debris was also found eight miles away in New Baltimore. A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site. Theorists point out a Sidewinder heat-seeking missile attacks the hottest part of aircraft - the engine.

The authorities say the impact bounced it there. But the few pieces of surviving fuselage, local coroner Wallace Miller told us, were "no bigger than a carrier bag".

Nearly all the passengers were reduced to charcoal on impact and the largest piece of human tissue found was a section of spine eight inches long.

CURIOUSLY, military officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, although they were informed that it was a suspected hijack at 9.16am, 50 minutes before the plane came down.

At 9.35am they assumed it was heading for Washington DC after it changed course in a 180 degree turn and three F-16s - top speed 1,800mph - now patrolling over the capital were told to "protect the White House at all costs".

An anonymous flight controller said on the day that an F-16 was "in hot pursuit" of Flight 93 - Washington to Shanksville is seven to 10 minutes flying time.

A few minutes before the crash Bill Wright, piloting a single-engine Piper, could see Flight 93 three miles away, but was suddenly told to turn away and land immediately without explanation.

At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.

Also, according to sources, the last seconds of the cockpit voice recorder are the loud sounds of wind, hinting at a possible hole somewhere in the fuselage. What caused the smoke and explosion? Why the wind sounds?

The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. Susan Mcelwain says a Falcon 20 was not the plane she saw.

FURTHER verification that some kind of military aircraft was operating in the area is scientifically irrefutable.

At 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by supersonic flight - was picked up by an earthquake monitoring station in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles from Shanksville.

That Todd Beamer and others launched an assault on the hijackers there is no doubt. The brief extracts released from audio tapes indicate a fierce struggle going on at the cockpit door.

But nobody - official or otherwise - has categorically said the group got into the cockpit or that their actions led to the crash. Those final, agonising moments are mere presumption.

President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?

UA93: THE EVIDENCE

THE WITNESSES

At least SIX witnesses, including Susan Mcelwain saw a small military type plane flying around shortly BEFORE UA93 crashed. The FBI denies its existence

THE DEBRIS

The US Government insists the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away

THE MOBILE CALL

Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane. He spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. The superviser who took the call has been gagged by the FBI

THE F-16s

UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9.16am. At 9.35am three F-16s were ordered to "protect the White House at all costs" when it turned towards the capital. At 10.06am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10mins flying time from Washington

THE BLACK BOXS

Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind - suggesting the plane had been holed

THE SONIC BOOM

The FBI insists there was no military plane in the area but at 9.22am a sonic boom - caused by a supersonic jet - was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville.


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I only post this because I live 20 minutes from the crash site, and I do house calls for patients and have friends that live in this vacinity.

What I have heard locally is verified by this article, or this article verifies what I have heard from locals, for whatever its worth.

To us the most striking finding was the distance and volume of debris from the crash site, especially in New Baltimore.

President Bush and his team have the whole story. So why aren't they telling the rest of us?

If they had to shoot dowbn this plane, that's OK. It was necessary.

And they do not have to tell us if or why.

1 posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:47 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
interesting article from British press...
2 posted on 01/26/2003 9:33:15 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Our pilots realized that that they MIGHT have had to shoot Flight 93 down. They never did, though.

Unfortunately, the plane crashed as brave American passengers attempted to overtake the hijackers ---even though they knew, they probably were all going to die.

SEPTEMBER 11, 2001: ATTACK ON AMERICA! (A Comprehensive 9-11 Resource Online)
http://www.truthusa.com/911.html
3 posted on 01/26/2003 9:40:53 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Polycarp
bump
4 posted on 01/26/2003 9:42:30 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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To: Cindy
They never did, though

I'm a local. This article accurately relates what the locals saw and heard.

I've thought from day one that Flight 93 was shot down, and nothing has changed that opinion.

My entire township around our local municipal airport was evacuated and clamped down after this crash, and there was military air traffic in and out all day. I couldn't even head north out of town on Route 219 because of the security clampdown.

More happened here than we have been told.

And I thank God the adults in the White House did the right thing.

Far more people would have been killed otherwise.

5 posted on 01/26/2003 9:47:05 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
interesting article from British press...

Mind candy.

Pure conspiratorial garbage meant to whet the rumor appetite, titalate the cerebral and pad the publisher's coffers ...

6 posted on 01/26/2003 9:47:49 PM PST by _Jim
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To: Askel5
On an FR thread last night, you said this:

Shortly after the incident, on one of the 60 Minutes type programs, Minetta was pinned to the wall on whether the plane was shot down or brought down and he totally weaseled with: "Some combination of both."

I'd be very interested in a link, or any actual evidence Minetta said this anywhere, much less "on a 60 Minutes type program".
I haven't been able to find it yet.

7 posted on 01/26/2003 9:50:06 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: BartMan1
ping
8 posted on 01/26/2003 9:50:06 PM PST by IncPen ( God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly!)
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To: Polycarp

 "Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call 
   from the plane ... spoke of an explosion and 
   seeing some white smoke. 
 
Hmm he didn't say "Jesus - WE'VE BEEN HIT!" or
"Jesus  - SOMETHING JUST BLEW UP!"
 
Sorry, this doesn't wash ...

 
Geez ... remember a NUMBER of pasengers made calls via
the GTE Airfones on board that flight - and I suspect
that there were a couple of calls in progress DURING this
entire time (I would have made one myself - damn the 
three dollars a minute it would have cost me if I had 
lived!) period!
 
Anyway - it's NOT likely an appropriately placed 
air to air missile would have had negligible
effect and NOT made a loud noise ALSO hearable 
over the phone connection TO the guy on the 
ground ...
 
 
  "a one-ton section of the engine" 
 
What does that mean? A one-ton section?
 
Was it the turbine? Was it part of the external
turbine housing?
 
What kind of FORCE from an explosion results when
an airplane augers in at high speed? How mush debris 
is belched out - like when a rock hits water or an 
impact crater is made?
 
 
  "but at 9:22 am a sonic boom"
 
What happens when one starts mucking around with 
engine thrust on turbo fan engine - can you do
weird stuff like dump excess fuel into it and 
then shut-off-restart if you don't know what you 
are doing?

 
  "earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania"
 
Maybe this was because of something else - like the 
usual bachground noise from sources including truck
vibration of the ground ...
 
 
 "the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder 
  is the sound of wind"
 
I suspect this would NOT be the last sound heard 
on the CVR if they had been hit by an air to air 
missile. WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND OF AN EXPLOSION!!!!
 
  "less than 10 minutes flying time from 
   Washington. "
 
IF the goombas flying it KNEW which direction to
head, and, the FAA guys watching the ARSR's (Air
Route Surv. RADARs would have KNOWN this and 
would ALSO have seen the interceptors on their
scopes TOO. WAS THERE A CONSPIRACY TO SHUT THESE
GUYS UP?
 
- - - - - 
 
REALLY NICE conspiracy theories are usually wound 
around the SELECT PRESENTATION of just a FEW FACTS,
like the so-called 'facts' below.
 
Sort of like a trial where ALL you hear from is the
prosecution - or the defense!
 

9 posted on 01/26/2003 9:52:28 PM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Pure conspiratorial garbage

Normally I would agree.

however, this British chap got every single detail correct except the name of the Lake (Indian Lake, not India Lake.) He did his homework.

I have heard these same exact details about the white plane from locals from day one.

This account of locally known facts is accurate. The conclusion might be incorrect, but the fact there was another lowflying aircraft present at the time of the crash is irrefutable. It is a consistent story heard from day one.

10 posted on 01/26/2003 9:53:29 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Cindy
Our pilots realized that that they MIGHT have had to shoot Flight 93 down. They never did, though.

You do not know that definitively.

The public is much better embracing the "hero" story of Flight 93 in any case.

11 posted on 01/26/2003 9:53:49 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Polycarp
I have also assumed that the plane was shot down. The president, the pilot, would have no way of knowing there was a passengers' rebellion going down on board.

But if it was shot down, everyone involved should take this story to the grave.
12 posted on 01/26/2003 9:54:39 PM PST by marron
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To: Polycarp


There's the impact. No trails or anything. It was forced down by islamics.... And if it was shot down, why hide it? It had to be done anyway.
13 posted on 01/26/2003 9:56:24 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Polycarp
Actually, I've always been more curious about the plane that crashed about 2 weeks after the WTC bombings. It was off the radar screen of public consciousness quickly. However, that could have been because of all the other stuff going on.
14 posted on 01/26/2003 9:58:38 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Monty22
Hey! No facts allowed, buddy. If you don't have innuindo, please don't post. Besides, the trails in that pic have probably been doctored out.
15 posted on 01/26/2003 10:02:14 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: *WTC Attacks
ping
16 posted on 01/26/2003 10:03:04 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: LurkerNoMore!
I don't watch a lot of television but did have it plugged in during the aftermath of the dramatic attacks on US soil.

I stand by my recollection. Because I was not cooking at the time, I'm almost confident it was a weekday, not a Sunday program.

If I were looking, I'd check the transcripts of 60 minutes 2 and 20/20 first and then check the TV schedule to see what other similar type programs it might have been. It aired within a couple weeks of the bombing.

If we still had the ability to use Google properly to search FR threads for text strings OR the old search functions on FR, it's possible I could dig up the several threads on which I quoted him within days of the broadcast.

17 posted on 01/26/2003 10:03:11 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Polycarp
"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side.

It was a Falcon 20.

18 posted on 01/26/2003 10:06:27 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: _Jim
September 11 was a beautiful, sunny fall morning in SW Pa. Alot of people were outside, there are way too many consistent anecdotal stories to discount. One that comes to the forefront, for me, was that office buildings in downtown Pittsburgh were being evacuated (because of the plane being lost over Cleveland airspace and heading south towards Pittsburgh. It was obviously being tracked (to some degree). They avoided civilian targets in Cleveland and Pittsburgh) but the theory (locally) was that they were following the course of the PA Turnpike to head south to DC (which explains the crash in the Somerset area).

19 posted on 01/26/2003 10:06:53 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom
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To: Polycarp
Greetings Polycarp, FReepers, et al:
Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongey earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?

Seems there was a pilot's story posted from one the USAF or ANG pilots who scrambled for the hijacked airliners that day. Shoot down was not unthinkable, but embarrassingly impossible. The pilots report the fighter aircraft were unarmed September 11. (One big happy post-cold war new world order family.)

The pilot's takedown plan was to slice the hijacked aircraft wing off with the fighter aircraft wing in a daring midair collision. Rotating the fighter aircraft into a 90 degree tilt, then pulling the eject lever right before impact. Sure wish I knew where the story was.

20 posted on 01/26/2003 10:07:09 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Convict pedophile wannabe traitor Ritter thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/829655/posts)
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