Bose-Einstein condensate created at room temperature

Vortex-L ^ | Feb 6 2013 | Axil Axil

[FredZarguna]

The traditional Bosun's pipe:

The much higher tech version used by the Higg's Bosun:

[Kevmo]

Think of fermions like this: your kids are not grown up, and they get to bickering in the back seat when they touch each other (Dad! He's touching me!) You may have a van with three rows of seats that theoretically holds nine kids, but because of the Notouchy Effect (Pauli Exclusion Principle) the kids must each have their own row of seats, so your car can hold no more than three kids, if your kids are fermions. ***One of the experiments which produced the LENR anomalous excess heat effect was by KP Sinha by shining a laser onto the environment and thereby REMOVING energy from the system. Kind of like shining a light into the kids' faces and getting the deer-in-the-headlights response so they sit where you want them to sit. Tunneling Beneath the 4He Fragmentation Energy - Free Republic HTTP://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743039/posts Posted on 07/01/2011 10:45:05 PM PDT by Kevmo ... A. Meulenberg and K.P. Sinha / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear ... Furthermore, subsequent low-energy-nuclear-reaction (LENR) research has often ... laser stimulation [2] increases the resonant phonon-field amplitudes, the D− D+ ...... The Cold Fusion Ping List ...

[Kevmo]

Because LENR is scientifically established, but is still in its infancy as an engineering field. Think of what would happen to AC electricity if Tesla died earlier, the invention of the polyphase motor would have taken decades. There’s been more than 14,000 LENR replications. I haven’t spent much inquisitiveness on Rossi lately, most of my references to his work have been something that was included in whatever LENR article is posted, and we’re not supposed to just remove references in articles. I posted LENR articles before Rossi and I’ll be posting them after he leaves the scene.

[Kevmo]

Think of fermions like this: your kids are not grown up, and they get to bickering in the back seat when they touch each other (Dad! He's touching me!) You may have a van with three rows of seats that theoretically holds nine kids, but because of the Notouchy Effect (Pauli Exclusion Principle) the kids must each have their own row of seats, so your car can hold no more than three kids, if your kids are fermions.
***One of the experiments which produced the LENR anomalous excess heat effect was by KP Sinha by shining a laser onto the environment and thereby REMOVING energy from the system. Kind of like shining a light into the kids' faces and getting the deer-in-the-headlights response so they sit where you want them to sit.

Tunneling Beneath the 4He Fragmentation Energy - Free Republic

HTTP://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743039/posts

Posted on 07/01/2011 10:45:05 PM PDT by Kevmo ...
A. Meulenberg and K.P. Sinha / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear ...
Furthermore, subsequent low-energy-nuclear-reaction (LENR) research has often ... laser stimulation [2] increases the resonant phonon-field amplitudes, the D− D+ ......

[EEGator]

Fair enough.

P.S. Just so you know, I’m a Tesla fanatic. Hopefully no hanging out with pigeons for me though.

[showme_the_Glory]

I thought it was going to be a moonshine thread, condensate.

[count-your-change]

Has your water heater arrived yet or is it still in the robotic factory that hasn’t been built yet?

[Vaquero]

I say we sink geothermal pipes down into the hot deep mantle for energy. This will power us for millennium untill the core solidifies and we lose our van Allen protection

[Vaquero]

You might as well study the Nazi’s anti gravity flying saucers...or perhaps Charles Hapgood’s Hollow Earth Theory. All equally valid.

But...but the Kecksburg Incident!

The acorn shaped craft with nazi runes! God man! The Mothership!

[FredZarguna]

It's not a good analogy, because the LENR theory you're talking about involves Bose condensates, not fermions. Lowering the temperature is equivalent to lasering off the back two rows of seats. The bosons are then forced to condense into the single seat. The fermions cannot be forced to condense.

[FredZarguna]

I thought it was going to be a moonshine thread

Might be, depending on what you think of LENR.

[muawiyah]

http://www.greatenergychallengeblog.com/2013/01/23/alleged-mafia-ties-cast-new-shadow-on-italys-renewables/ ~ citing this one because it cites a number of other articles about the same problem. I recall not long ago that folks here were arguing that one of the more public LENR experimenters was lying about the Italian mafia trying to push him out of business. So now we find that Kim’s theory is not improbable since, in fact, Bose-Enstein condensate can be manufactured in ordinary environmental room temperatures. So, Moonman62, what’s your relationship to any of this? Is it the mafia, or MIT, or what?

[Moonman62]

Because LENR is scientifically established, but is still in its infancy as an engineering field. Think of what would happen to AC electricity if Tesla died earlier, the invention of the polyphase motor would have taken decades. There’s been more than 14,000 LENR replications.

None of the results for those claimed 14k experiments were predictable, and they are not covered by any one theory that can make those predictions (For instance, a theory that can make a prediction of output based on input within a margin of error.). Therefore, LENR is not scientifically established.

Muon catalyzed cold fusion is scientifically established. One can use that for comparison.

[EEGator]

This guy had his act together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

[Temujinshordes]

I heard that the MIT bookstore was having a sale on Bose-Einstein Condensate traps.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Is that like Cro magnon or fillet magnon?

[Kevmo]

My LENR water heater will arrive 200 years before any hot-fusion water heater will hit the market.

[Kevmo]

Never once has any lurker followed up your ridiculous anti-science Luddite objections and said they were worth pursuing.

Thanks for bumping the thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Kevmo]

Lowering the temperature is equivalent to lasering off the back two rows of seats.
***I don’t see it that way. Lowering the temperature and taking energy away from the system is like taking sugar away from the kids & giving them Ritalin so they’ll settle down. A BEC is like getting 9 kids in 9 seats, whereas you’ve been talking about getting 3 kids into 9 seats because none of them still want to touch each other.

[FredZarguna]

You're missing the point [and you're also wrong.] Bose condensation at low temperature happens because bosons can ALL occupy the ground state. Fermions cannot do that. It is impossible under any circumstances to get 9 fermions into three states. It is easily possible at low temperature to get 9 bosons (or Avogadro's Number of bosons) into ONE state.

What they are doing in this experiment is creating a metastable configuration in which they create a single ground state, even though the system is not at low temperature. The bosons will then condense into that state. There is no "forcing" required; because there is only one state created by the experiment's design, the bosons condense into that state. There is no other place for them to go.

If they were fermions, this experiment would fail.

If your kids are fermions, you can yell "I'm going to turn this car around!" all day, and they still will not get into one row of seats. They can't. They're not capable of it.