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To: Moonman62; Kevmo

http://www.greatenergychallengeblog.com/2013/01/23/alleged-mafia-ties-cast-new-shadow-on-italys-renewables/ ~ citing this one because it cites a number of other articles about the same problem. I recall not long ago that folks here were arguing that one of the more public LENR experimenters was lying about the Italian mafia trying to push him out of business. So now we find that Kim’s theory is not improbable since, in fact, Bose-Enstein condensate can be manufactured in ordinary environmental room temperatures. So, Moonman62, what’s your relationship to any of this? Is it the mafia, or MIT, or what?


32 posted on 02/07/2013 3:17:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Moonman62; Kevmo
Well there are at least two problems with the extrapolation that this has any consequences for LENR.

First, you claim that Bose-Enstein condensate can be manufactured in ordinary environmental room temperatures.

But what is described in the article is not "ordinary environmental room temperature." Room temperature, yes, but hardly ordinary environment.

Second, so what? No statistical physicist that I know would claim that creating boson condensates is theoretically impossible at any temperature, and I know a lot of them, including the former condensed matter theorist I see when I shave every morning. The question is whether the conditions under which LENR has been said to occur (in one theory) would in fact be an example of a single energy eigenstate under which BEC could form. This experiment does not by any means suggest that it does. It simply says that a thing that most condensed matter theorists already accept as possible in principle can indeed be done in a lab.

Does that have any applicability to the theory that LENR is made possible via a BEC mechanism? No, because nobody claims that under the circumstances of that theory this experiment has any applicability, EXCEPT for the fact that they both happen at more or less ordinary temperature.

That's not really a big deal.

41 posted on 02/07/2013 6:48:47 PM PST by FredZarguna (These are the End Times for Dewey Crowe!)
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