Posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:53 PM PST by MarineBrat
I think I've had enough. I live in the most conservative stronghold of California, near FreeRepublic itself, but I've had it. I have long considered where I should take my skills, and Wyoming comes to mind. A very large state with the lowest population in the union. I see that Wyoming (69%R, 28%D) came in 2nd only to Utah (73%R, 25%D). Are there any Wyoming FReepers who can give me the lowdown on the state? All I require to make a living is a decent internet connection.
If I were to plan a driving vacation to Wyoming to get a look around, what are the cities I should consider? How does the tax situation there compare to places like Texas or Oklahoma?
Thanks for your time,
MarineBrat
Much of the state is federal land. Try Cheyenne or Casper.
As of last night the whole country’s California. There’s nowhere left to go.
Canada.
Its far more capitalist than the US will ever be again.
Slavery cant dominate their politics.
Lowest Corp Taxes.
Consider Utah. I left CA for Southern Utah almost 10 years ago, and have not regretted it one bit, and I also need just an internet connection to work.
Wyo just passed an initiative that stops enforcement of Obamacare.
If you can handle the cold, you will be ok.
Wyo just passed an initiative that stops enforcement of Obamacare.
If you can handle the cold, you will be ok.
I’d like to ask other enterprising CA freepers how to stay in CA and not have your business affected by these taxes. What kinds of out of state businesses can be run from here?
My parents need me. My kids are entrenched. I cannot leave, and I just moved to the beach so I am happy here. The weather is perfect and I saw dolphins yesterday.
Those of us who are staying, what can we do? Besides learn Spanish.
I love water so I’ll probably always be on the coast, but I’m also among the ‘just give me an internet connection so I can work’ people.
Wyoming to me is the most beautiful non-coastal state in the country. If it weren’t for the Maine coast, it’s where I’d go.
I really have nothing else to add - except that when I read your post I said “yep - I know just what he’s talking about’ ... it’s part of why I came to Maine from Massachusetts.
I totally encourage you to do it.
a) The cost of living is quite high - the cost of food can be high. It has to be trucked in.
b) the state economy is tied to coal, CBM, oil and gas in the majority, and the ag sector, tourism and small business in the minority. When the oil/coal/gas prices are down, the state tax revenues fall off quickly.
c) The winters range from hard to “holy crap!” levels of hard. In the northwest area of the state, if you don’t know how to handle yourself in -20F temps with blowing snow, you might want to think very carefully before buying property there. In the southeast wind “triangle”) (Laramie, Casper and Cheyenne), the winds can and do regularly hit 60+MPH. I’ve driven through winds on the interstates in those areas where I’ve been driving into a 70+ MPH wind. I’ve seen semi trucks blown off the road. Between Cheyenne and Laramie, trains have been blown off the tracks. So if you’re thinking “Oh, pish-posh - wind... we’ve all lived in areas with breezes...” you’re completely missing the point. If you’ve lived in Florida and gone out walking as a hurricane is coming ashore, then you’ve seen this level of wind. The thing is - in Wyoming, we get these winds about every other week during the winters.
3. Cost of housing can be high in some areas.
4. Rock Springs has a for-real meth problem.
5. Taxes - no state income tax, sales taxes are relatively low. Real estate taxes vary all over the place.
6. Eastern side of the state can and does see tornadoes in the summer. Once you’re ... oh, about 50 miles east of Casper, and from Casper north to Montana... you’ll get some hellacious thunderstorms coming through in the summer. Very entertaining.
‘net service is all over the place, but expect outages. There’s not much redundancy in the ‘net in Wyoming, so when the usual outages happen... you can see large chunks of Wyoming go silent on the ‘net.
There is only the Union of Socialist States in America.
no advice but want to tell you well done.
I got my wife out of liberal MA as we knew our votes were wasted, our tax money goes to liberal issues thus she moved and she said it was the best move she ever did.
We now live in a swing state knowing we are helping now.
Imagine if every conservative in the liberal states moved to swing states.
The liberal states would lose the tax money, millions move and the swing states become more conservative and push up the electoral count
Teton County has relatively high property taxes.
Wyoming is an awesome state with mostly awesome people. The major towns are cool. However, stay out of Jackson because of the damn CA liberals that have moved there and stay out of Rock Springs because it looks like the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust.
got the wife out of lberal MA and she said it was the best move she ever did.
We now live in one of the most republican counties in the swing state of FL called St John county which has St AUgustine.
I travel around this state and I am convinced as many others here are that there is no way obama won this state.
Picked my youngest up and talked to a bunch of parents, non party , one Dem and republicans and all said FL was going for Romney , even the Dem admitted she was surprised and yep she did not vote for obama but stayed at home
The results around don;t add up
VA, military was even split vote, after Libya, nearly 500 Generals and homosexuality and cross dressing and this was just in VA a swing state
OH saw 5% more union votes cast and yet voting is down and yet after this economy.
we all know about the problems so I;m not listing them all but something is not adding up with these results and whne you look by county and then add up and then hear millions did not vote.
something is strange
something is strange, lets not forget Walker won his election twice yet Ryan can not come close.
Grayson republican die got booted out but two years later he gets back in
No something is not adding up at all
I left the USA right after Clinton won in ‘93 and have not lived in the USA since.
I have done a number of things too, including Internet.
Lots of attractive places to live on this planet.
Our country is done.
I left the USA right after Clinton won in ‘93 and have not lived in the USA since.
I have done a number of things too, including Internet.
Lots of attractive places to live on this planet.
Our country is done.
I made the jump from CA in 2008. Went to CO. This is still a battleground state, but now leans left due to lack of solution on illegal immigration among other reasons. Still the people are friendly and good neighbors, outdoors and fitness minded, public schools good. Not as union dominated as CA.
Come on down to the Missouri Ozarks.
Low taxes, deer, turkey, great fishing, low taxes.
You can shoot your gun, shoot great big firecrackers, land is inexpensive. Four seasons (although summer can be hot and humid.)
Did I mention low taxes ?
Texas is really nice, too!!!
Utah and Wyoming cold cold cold!!! Too cold! weather wise!
Good for you. There must be better places than Kalifornia.
Even up here is tons better.
My husband doesn’t want to leave Cali. He’s a native, and just can’t seem to let go of the idea of moving. My daughters have 2 more years of high school (at a nice Christian school).
My son has gone to Texas for college. He’s seen the writing on the wall.
I’ve told my husband I want to leave.
How about Arkansas? How about the Ozarks?
Thanks to all for the replies. And thanks to some for the PM’s. Will be looking into my escape.
Check out Fort Collins/Loveland CO while in WY.
You will probably find it much prettier and much less windy than WY.
its not your country if you don’t live here....
I spent a few days there this summer. Eagle Rock. Yep, hot, but as a motorcycle rider I was drooling about the roads around there. I can just imagine the outdoors there....
St. George Utah is not - but it gets pretty darn hot there in the summer... 110F in the summer.
I feel your pain! I have lived in the Inland Empire in California for the past 32 years and am leaving for my home state (Red) of Mississippi by the end of the year.
I don’t know anything about Wyoming, but I can highly recommend MS. A “mansion” in MS can be had for a couple hundred thousand or less...and I’m talking with several acres. Wide open spaces and wonderful people.
I am considering Utah or McCall Idaho.
I’ll still be in KahLeeFawnEeYah but I won’t vote here, pay taxes here.
Just not going to participate in this scam.
My wife and i are going to see what kind of work we can find in other states and we are leaving. It is sad I really loved this place.
“My parents need me. My kids are entrenched. I cannot leave, and I just moved to the beach so I am happy here. The weather is perfect and I saw dolphins yesterday.
Those of us who are staying, what can we do? Besides learn Spanish.”
Learn Spanish and enjoy the weather.
Seriously.
As a very wise gal once said:
“We can evade reality. What we cannot evade are the consequences of evading reality”...
You have said that you “cannot leave”. If you truly mean that, you’re only option is to recognize the consequences of your decision. You will always be ruled by leftists (who grow progressively worse), and you won’t have “a political voice’ again.
The only option to escape this fate... is to leave.
That said, you really need to visit there. The biggest cities would seem like small towns to most Californians. And you really need to visit in winter, which is way different than in most states, including most of CO.
A few things to know --- when people say it is windy here -- BELIEVE THEM. It is windy and the summers can be hot, but not humid --- not like MN and no mosquitos (huge plus for me). Anyway 100 in the summer here is about the same as 80 + humid from where I came from.
The people are fantastic, so friendly and helpful. Depending on where you are looking, many are also transplants from other states, so they know/understand what you may be going through.
We found housing about the same $$ or a little less -- but we lived in the lakes area of MN, so not sure if you should go by just my opinion. Our real estate taxes here are less than half what they were in MN.
Internet is a HUGE issue for me. If you live in a city, you shouldn't have a problem --- however, if you go rural, understand that you may not have options.
And be prepared to drive !! Long stretches of beautiful, breathtaking scenery between the cities.
Buy a cowboy hat & boots -- bring a truck and your conservative, freedom & America loving ideals and you will fit right in.
I was born/raised in MN, lived there over 50 years and it is a beautiful state, but the socialist policies finally forced us to leave and just in time from what I see from the election back there.
Wyoming may not be perfect (cold but ok -- but I come from MN), and windy. Lonely a little too, but I love it !!
Its far more capitalist than the US will ever be again.
But Canada has no First or Second Amendment. Firearms are highly restricted, and you can get in trouble if you say something that's politically incorrect.
Nice nativist belch.
Tell it to the Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
There are over a million overseas Americans.
Take a look at rural upstate South Carolina.
Grayson’s district was redrawn. Lots of Ricans and blacks.
Grayson I hate that man and his side kick wassermann
My son reported a conversation he had this summer with a 24 year old young lady from Wyoming. As I recall, the gist of it seemed to be the state of Wyoming is flush enough to provide education beyound high school to all of its young people. This YL had two degrees in technical fields and was working for an oil company in North Dakota. Three months at work, three months off or something like that.
The state government seems to be fiscally conservative.
Check funlake.com for events hereabouts.
Are you saying it don’t get cold in the winter??? Summer is a dry heat right not humid!!
I moved to Salt Lake City from Los Angeles in 1982. I was born in LA in 1948 and raised there. The over population and wacko antigunhuntingselfdefense lliberonszis finally became too much. I have never been sorry. I can throw some camping gear and some guns in my truck and be isolated within 3 hours. Wyoming and Idaho are a hop skip and a jump away. I love the intermountain west. I even like the mormons. I don’t agree with their relig ious beliefs, but most of them understand the importance of freedom, unlike all liberals and most republicans. I will never return to that shythole, LA, not ever.
St George will get snow in the winter once or twice - enough for the kids to have fun, and then it’s gone, so 30’s would be the low in the winter. Summer is mostly dry heat, except for July and August when we get monsoons and some pretty amazing thunderstorms, but during those months, it’s not as hot because of the clouds/rain. Elevation around 2500’. I actually live up the freeway about 50 miles in Cedar City - 5800’ so more snow in the winter, but not nearly as hot in the summer. I love it here. I’ll trade the beaches for Zion Natl Park any day.
Well that’s not too bad!! Texas would be a warmer climate though down by the town of San Benito. Grow fruit all winter and summer there... Might need to pack there...
I love CA also but left in June. I figure the illegals, envirowackos and the public employee unions will collapse the place soon then maybe I can move back and help rebuild. If not, I can still go back to visit family and get a dose of the beauty.
“Did I mention low taxes?”
You didn’t mention chiggers!
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