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Escape from California, FReeper advice sought on Wyoming
Vanity | 11/07/2012 | MarineBrat

Posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:53 PM PST by MarineBrat

I think I've had enough. I live in the most conservative stronghold of California, near FreeRepublic itself, but I've had it. I have long considered where I should take my skills, and Wyoming comes to mind. A very large state with the lowest population in the union. I see that Wyoming (69%R, 28%D) came in 2nd only to Utah (73%R, 25%D). Are there any Wyoming FReepers who can give me the lowdown on the state? All I require to make a living is a decent internet connection.

If I were to plan a driving vacation to Wyoming to get a look around, what are the cities I should consider? How does the tax situation there compare to places like Texas or Oklahoma?

Thanks for your time,

MarineBrat


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:58 PM PST by MarineBrat
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To: MarineBrat

Much of the state is federal land. Try Cheyenne or Casper.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:46 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: MarineBrat

As of last night the whole country’s California. There’s nowhere left to go.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 12:38:33 PM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: MarineBrat

Canada.

Its far more capitalist than the US will ever be again.

Slavery cant dominate their politics.

Lowest Corp Taxes.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 12:40:45 PM PST by NoLibZone (The DNC out bid us. We need to offer 1 acre in Manhattan and $500,000 cash for every vote.)
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To: MarineBrat

Consider Utah. I left CA for Southern Utah almost 10 years ago, and have not regretted it one bit, and I also need just an internet connection to work.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 12:41:47 PM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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To: MarineBrat

Wyo just passed an initiative that stops enforcement of Obamacare.

If you can handle the cold, you will be ok.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 12:41:47 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: MarineBrat

Wyo just passed an initiative that stops enforcement of Obamacare.

If you can handle the cold, you will be ok.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:06 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: MarineBrat

I’d like to ask other enterprising CA freepers how to stay in CA and not have your business affected by these taxes. What kinds of out of state businesses can be run from here?

My parents need me. My kids are entrenched. I cannot leave, and I just moved to the beach so I am happy here. The weather is perfect and I saw dolphins yesterday.

Those of us who are staying, what can we do? Besides learn Spanish.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 12:43:20 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: crusty old prospector

I love water so I’ll probably always be on the coast, but I’m also among the ‘just give me an internet connection so I can work’ people.

Wyoming to me is the most beautiful non-coastal state in the country. If it weren’t for the Maine coast, it’s where I’d go.

I really have nothing else to add - except that when I read your post I said “yep - I know just what he’s talking about’ ... it’s part of why I came to Maine from Massachusetts.

I totally encourage you to do it.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 12:43:22 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: pgkdan
"As of last night the whole country’s California. There’s nowhere left to go."

Agreed. I live in Tennessee...Red State. But after the election, I feel like I live in a foreign country.....one that I don't even recognize. Imagine falling asleep just 25 years ago and waking up today. You'd have no idea where you were.

The rapid cultural and spiritual decline in this country is absolutely staggering. In my opinion, the decline cannot be reversed without the hand of God reversing it.
10 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:19 PM PST by AdamBomb
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To: MarineBrat

a) The cost of living is quite high - the cost of food can be high. It has to be trucked in.

b) the state economy is tied to coal, CBM, oil and gas in the majority, and the ag sector, tourism and small business in the minority. When the oil/coal/gas prices are down, the state tax revenues fall off quickly.

c) The winters range from hard to “holy crap!” levels of hard. In the northwest area of the state, if you don’t know how to handle yourself in -20F temps with blowing snow, you might want to think very carefully before buying property there. In the southeast wind “triangle”) (Laramie, Casper and Cheyenne), the winds can and do regularly hit 60+MPH. I’ve driven through winds on the interstates in those areas where I’ve been driving into a 70+ MPH wind. I’ve seen semi trucks blown off the road. Between Cheyenne and Laramie, trains have been blown off the tracks. So if you’re thinking “Oh, pish-posh - wind... we’ve all lived in areas with breezes...” you’re completely missing the point. If you’ve lived in Florida and gone out walking as a hurricane is coming ashore, then you’ve seen this level of wind. The thing is - in Wyoming, we get these winds about every other week during the winters.

3. Cost of housing can be high in some areas.

4. Rock Springs has a for-real meth problem.

5. Taxes - no state income tax, sales taxes are relatively low. Real estate taxes vary all over the place.

6. Eastern side of the state can and does see tornadoes in the summer. Once you’re ... oh, about 50 miles east of Casper, and from Casper north to Montana... you’ll get some hellacious thunderstorms coming through in the summer. Very entertaining.

‘net service is all over the place, but expect outages. There’s not much redundancy in the ‘net in Wyoming, so when the usual outages happen... you can see large chunks of Wyoming go silent on the ‘net.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:25 PM PST by NVDave
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To: MarineBrat
There is no escape.

There is only the Union of Socialist States in America.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:46 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MarineBrat

no advice but want to tell you well done.

I got my wife out of liberal MA as we knew our votes were wasted, our tax money goes to liberal issues thus she moved and she said it was the best move she ever did.
We now live in a swing state knowing we are helping now.

Imagine if every conservative in the liberal states moved to swing states.
The liberal states would lose the tax money, millions move and the swing states become more conservative and push up the electoral count


13 posted on 11/07/2012 12:50:21 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MarineBrat

Teton County has relatively high property taxes.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:21 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: MarineBrat

Wyoming is an awesome state with mostly awesome people. The major towns are cool. However, stay out of Jackson because of the damn CA liberals that have moved there and stay out of Rock Springs because it looks like the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:53 PM PST by ohioman
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To: AdamBomb

got the wife out of lberal MA and she said it was the best move she ever did.
We now live in one of the most republican counties in the swing state of FL called St John county which has St AUgustine.

I travel around this state and I am convinced as many others here are that there is no way obama won this state.
Picked my youngest up and talked to a bunch of parents, non party , one Dem and republicans and all said FL was going for Romney , even the Dem admitted she was surprised and yep she did not vote for obama but stayed at home

The results around don;t add up
VA, military was even split vote, after Libya, nearly 500 Generals and homosexuality and cross dressing and this was just in VA a swing state
OH saw 5% more union votes cast and yet voting is down and yet after this economy.
we all know about the problems so I;m not listing them all but something is not adding up with these results and whne you look by county and then add up and then hear millions did not vote.

something is strange


16 posted on 11/07/2012 12:59:45 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: AdamBomb

something is strange, lets not forget Walker won his election twice yet Ryan can not come close.
Grayson republican die got booted out but two years later he gets back in

No something is not adding up at all


17 posted on 11/07/2012 1:02:27 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MarineBrat

I left the USA right after Clinton won in ‘93 and have not lived in the USA since.

I have done a number of things too, including Internet.

Lots of attractive places to live on this planet.

Our country is done.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:35 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: MarineBrat

I left the USA right after Clinton won in ‘93 and have not lived in the USA since.

I have done a number of things too, including Internet.

Lots of attractive places to live on this planet.

Our country is done.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:35 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: MarineBrat

I made the jump from CA in 2008. Went to CO. This is still a battleground state, but now leans left due to lack of solution on illegal immigration among other reasons. Still the people are friendly and good neighbors, outdoors and fitness minded, public schools good. Not as union dominated as CA.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:19 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: MarineBrat

Come on down to the Missouri Ozarks.
Low taxes, deer, turkey, great fishing, low taxes.
You can shoot your gun, shoot great big firecrackers, land is inexpensive. Four seasons (although summer can be hot and humid.)
Did I mention low taxes ?


21 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:33 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: MarineBrat

Texas is really nice, too!!!


22 posted on 11/07/2012 1:16:21 PM PST by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: Pushead

Utah and Wyoming cold cold cold!!! Too cold! weather wise!


23 posted on 11/07/2012 1:18:26 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: MarineBrat

Good for you. There must be better places than Kalifornia.
Even up here is tons better.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 1:19:13 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: Yaelle

My husband doesn’t want to leave Cali. He’s a native, and just can’t seem to let go of the idea of moving. My daughters have 2 more years of high school (at a nice Christian school).

My son has gone to Texas for college. He’s seen the writing on the wall.

I’ve told my husband I want to leave.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 1:19:24 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: MarineBrat
I'd love Wyoming. I like the idea of wearing a cowboy hat. Ditto for Texas.

How about Arkansas? How about the Ozarks?

26 posted on 11/07/2012 1:24:07 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: MarineBrat

Thanks to all for the replies. And thanks to some for the PM’s. Will be looking into my escape.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 1:24:35 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: MarineBrat

Check out Fort Collins/Loveland CO while in WY.
You will probably find it much prettier and much less windy than WY.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 1:26:00 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Bon mots

its not your country if you don’t live here....


29 posted on 11/07/2012 1:26:38 PM PST by cherry
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I spent a few days there this summer. Eagle Rock. Yep, hot, but as a motorcycle rider I was drooling about the roads around there. I can just imagine the outdoors there....


30 posted on 11/07/2012 1:27:40 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: tallyhoe

St. George Utah is not - but it gets pretty darn hot there in the summer... 110F in the summer.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 1:28:15 PM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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To: MarineBrat

I feel your pain! I have lived in the Inland Empire in California for the past 32 years and am leaving for my home state (Red) of Mississippi by the end of the year.

I don’t know anything about Wyoming, but I can highly recommend MS. A “mansion” in MS can be had for a couple hundred thousand or less...and I’m talking with several acres. Wide open spaces and wonderful people.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 1:30:37 PM PST by lawgirl21
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To: Pushead

I am considering Utah or McCall Idaho.

I’ll still be in KahLeeFawnEeYah but I won’t vote here, pay taxes here.

Just not going to participate in this scam.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 1:33:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Yaelle; luckystarmom
I lived in California all my life I didn't want to leave but I can see they will be forcing us to put big red stars on are shirts soon. I can not even communicate with people without them making jokes about my beliefs or how evil my beliefs are.

My wife and i are going to see what kind of work we can find in other states and we are leaving. It is sad I really loved this place.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 1:42:33 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Yaelle

“My parents need me. My kids are entrenched. I cannot leave, and I just moved to the beach so I am happy here. The weather is perfect and I saw dolphins yesterday.
Those of us who are staying, what can we do? Besides learn Spanish.”

Learn Spanish and enjoy the weather.
Seriously.

As a very wise gal once said:
“We can evade reality. What we cannot evade are the consequences of evading reality”...

You have said that you “cannot leave”. If you truly mean that, you’re only option is to recognize the consequences of your decision. You will always be ruled by leftists (who grow progressively worse), and you won’t have “a political voice’ again.

The only option to escape this fate... is to leave.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 1:50:45 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: MarineBrat
I love WYO, which is much less crowded than CO. I went to school there and have family there. Plus, there is no income tax.

That said, you really need to visit there. The biggest cities would seem like small towns to most Californians. And you really need to visit in winter, which is way different than in most states, including most of CO.

36 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:09 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MarineBrat
Hubby & I moved to Wyoming about a year ago and we couldn't be happier. Moved from MN (about as socialist as you can get next or or even more so than CA). Saving lots of $$ with no income tax and sales tax is about the same (depending on where you are).

A few things to know --- when people say it is windy here -- BELIEVE THEM. It is windy and the summers can be hot, but not humid --- not like MN and no mosquitos (huge plus for me). Anyway 100 in the summer here is about the same as 80 + humid from where I came from.

The people are fantastic, so friendly and helpful. Depending on where you are looking, many are also transplants from other states, so they know/understand what you may be going through.

We found housing about the same $$ or a little less -- but we lived in the lakes area of MN, so not sure if you should go by just my opinion. Our real estate taxes here are less than half what they were in MN.

Internet is a HUGE issue for me. If you live in a city, you shouldn't have a problem --- however, if you go rural, understand that you may not have options.

And be prepared to drive !! Long stretches of beautiful, breathtaking scenery between the cities.

Buy a cowboy hat & boots -- bring a truck and your conservative, freedom & America loving ideals and you will fit right in.

I was born/raised in MN, lived there over 50 years and it is a beautiful state, but the socialist policies finally forced us to leave and just in time from what I see from the election back there.

Wyoming may not be perfect (cold but ok -- but I come from MN), and windy. Lonely a little too, but I love it !!

37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:54:41 PM PST by coder2
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To: NoLibZone
Canada.

Its far more capitalist than the US will ever be again.

But Canada has no First or Second Amendment. Firearms are highly restricted, and you can get in trouble if you say something that's politically incorrect.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:57:22 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: cherry
its not your country if you don’t live here....

Nice nativist belch.

Tell it to the Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
There are over a million overseas Americans.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 1:59:34 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: MarineBrat

Take a look at rural upstate South Carolina.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 2:25:37 PM PST by dirtymac
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To: manc

Grayson’s district was redrawn. Lots of Ricans and blacks.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 3:25:11 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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Grayson I hate that man and his side kick wassermann


42 posted on 11/07/2012 3:53:46 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MarineBrat

My son reported a conversation he had this summer with a 24 year old young lady from Wyoming. As I recall, the gist of it seemed to be the state of Wyoming is flush enough to provide education beyound high school to all of its young people. This YL had two degrees in technical fields and was working for an oil company in North Dakota. Three months at work, three months off or something like that.

The state government seems to be fiscally conservative.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: vpintheak
There are a couple of bike gatherings at the Lake of the Ozarks every summer. Two wheelers have fun at the shops around the Bagnel Dam (the dam created our lake in 1930.) I'm sure there is chatter about these gatherings.

Check funlake.com for events hereabouts.

44 posted on 11/07/2012 4:57:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Pushead

Are you saying it don’t get cold in the winter??? Summer is a dry heat right not humid!!


45 posted on 11/07/2012 7:45:20 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: MarineBrat

I moved to Salt Lake City from Los Angeles in 1982. I was born in LA in 1948 and raised there. The over population and wacko antigunhuntingselfdefense lliberonszis finally became too much. I have never been sorry. I can throw some camping gear and some guns in my truck and be isolated within 3 hours. Wyoming and Idaho are a hop skip and a jump away. I love the intermountain west. I even like the mormons. I don’t agree with their relig ious beliefs, but most of them understand the importance of freedom, unlike all liberals and most republicans. I will never return to that shythole, LA, not ever.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 8:02:27 PM PST by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: tallyhoe

St George will get snow in the winter once or twice - enough for the kids to have fun, and then it’s gone, so 30’s would be the low in the winter. Summer is mostly dry heat, except for July and August when we get monsoons and some pretty amazing thunderstorms, but during those months, it’s not as hot because of the clouds/rain. Elevation around 2500’. I actually live up the freeway about 50 miles in Cedar City - 5800’ so more snow in the winter, but not nearly as hot in the summer. I love it here. I’ll trade the beaches for Zion Natl Park any day.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 8:32:32 PM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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To: Pushead

Well that’s not too bad!! Texas would be a warmer climate though down by the town of San Benito. Grow fruit all winter and summer there... Might need to pack there...


48 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:16 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I love CA also but left in June. I figure the illegals, envirowackos and the public employee unions will collapse the place soon then maybe I can move back and help rebuild. If not, I can still go back to visit family and get a dose of the beauty.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:45:05 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Did I mention low taxes?”

You didn’t mention chiggers!


50 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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