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Andrew Sullivan warns of the Confederacy making a comeback if GOP wins Virginia, Florida
The Daily Caller ^ | October 28, 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 10/28/2012 11:15:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If you think comparing Mitt Romney’s supporters in the American South to the Civil War’s Confederacy would be irresponsible and racially suggestive, Daily Beast “Daily Dish” blogger Andrew Sullivan apparently disagrees with you.

“If Virginia and Florida go back to the Republicans, it’s the Confederacy, entirely,” Sullivan declared on this weekend’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.”

“You put a map of the Civil War over this electoral map, you’ve got the Civil War,” he added.

That comment drew the ire of Washington Post columnist George Will, who said the president’s policies — not racism — are influencing voters in states like Virginia and Florida.

“Democrats have been losing the white vote constantly since 1964, so that’s not new,” Will said. “Here’s what we’re trying to talk about — 2008, Obama gets that many white votes. This time the polls indicate he may get this many. We’re trying to explain this difference. Now, two possible explanations — a lot of white people that voted for Obama in 2008 watched him govern for four years and said, ‘Not so good, let’s try someone else.’ The alternative — the Confederacy hypothesis is those people for some reason somehow the last four years became racists.”

Sullivan countered that he wasn’t necessarily alleging racism.

“I’m just pointing out the fact that the white people that have changed their minds happened to be in Virginia and Florida,” Sullivan responded. “And if you actually look at the map, they were the only two … the Southernization of Republican Party, they were the only two states in 2008 that violated the Confederacy rule.”

“You made an empirical statement that is checkable and false, which is the white people moving, moving away are in those two states,” Will countered.


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KEYWORDS: abc; dixie; fl2012; florida; obama; racecard; romney; va2012; virginia
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1 posted on 10/28/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s funny, the confederates were Democrats.


2 posted on 10/28/2012 11:18:27 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I could make one suggest to the “This Week” production crew....please remove the Daily Beast commentators. They have become a cheerleader squad and frankly, you’d get better opinions from a barbershop crew in Iuka, Mississippi than these dimwits.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 11:19:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Andrew Sullivan concerned about the Venezuelan system making inroads in this country if Obama gets a second term?


4 posted on 10/28/2012 11:21:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Homosexuals sure do think weird. Strange people.


5 posted on 10/28/2012 11:22:40 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Osama bin Laden is dead, Chrysler moved to Italy and China.)
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To: pepsionice
Amen to that. Waste of time to give these hyper-rat partisans a platform.
6 posted on 10/28/2012 11:22:53 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look at this for what it is. A scare appeal to black voters.


7 posted on 10/28/2012 11:23:29 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Andrew Sullivan comes up with another ridiculous statement in desperation to try and make buggery acceptable to the world via his Undocumented Poser.


8 posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I were running for POTUS, one of my campaign promises would be to send all British-born queers back to their misty isle forthwith.

This twerp certainly becomes tedious in his hysteria-per-day. He’s more excitable than any little girl I’ve met and he makes about as much sense as a sliding screen door in a submarine.


9 posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:45 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Turn it up !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOBXvvpkVT4&feature=related


10 posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:56 AM PDT by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Besides the appalling and deliberate slander, little Andy was wrong when he said “they were the only two states in 2008 that violated the Confederacy rule.”
NC also went to obama, which makes 3.


11 posted on 10/28/2012 11:26:34 AM PDT by matt1234 (As Obama sowed in the Arab Spring, so he is reaping in the Arab Fall.)
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To: Venturer

12 posted on 10/28/2012 11:26:37 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

some white men that are dumping the obamanation makes it “racism”, and 90% of blacks supporting him is not.

the ‘rats are THE KKK RACIST PARTY. a conservative “black” like Clarence Thomas, or West, or Condi Rice become “uncle tom’s” because they are not on the rat plantation.

now the immigration issue is not about anything but adding to the voting public more people on the public dole to vote for rats to keep them in power.

either, we will become a third world country, or a revolution will take place to restore the Constitution.

no communists, fascists, socialists or islamists need apply.

blessings, bobo


13 posted on 10/28/2012 11:27:55 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lol...I just built some slave quarters on the patio. Can’t wait for the cotton to ripen in the window box!


14 posted on 10/28/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sonds like Will made him look like the ass that he is.


15 posted on 10/28/2012 11:28:21 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any why does anyone care in the least what this worthless scumbag says?


16 posted on 10/28/2012 11:28:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Gonna put you all back in chains"



17 posted on 10/28/2012 11:29:09 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We have a few more days to go, and we haven't gotten to the post election loss meltdown yet, so I figure we still haven't reached the peak democrat hysteria.
18 posted on 10/28/2012 11:30:01 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Millions of white voters who voted for Obama in 2008 are not going to vote for Obama in 2012.

I am confused.

Did all of those voters become racists over the past four years or did it just take them four years to notice that Obama is black?


19 posted on 10/28/2012 11:31:28 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice slap down from George Will. Andrew Sullivan just wanted to be able to insinuate racism without having to own it. He belongs on a Hardball quality type show. He’s an emotional cheerleading hack.


20 posted on 10/28/2012 11:32:43 AM PDT by goodolemr
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t dementia a sympton of HIV/AIDS?


21 posted on 10/28/2012 11:33:52 AM PDT by scbison
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is losing more than whites in Florida; he has a Hispanic problem there as well.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 11:36:23 AM PDT by paglia444
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To: paglia444

Let’s assume that everything is racist. Can we move along now?


23 posted on 10/28/2012 11:40:31 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I saw this live this morning and just about jumped out of my shoes. What a pompous jackass. When Romney runs the table and the entire midwest goes red, I imagine that the "RACIST NATION" headline will blare from the dying old media. Sullivan needs to get out of the bathhouses and read more than the Village Voice to find out what actual Americans think. I can't wait to evict Obama.
24 posted on 10/28/2012 11:40:51 AM PDT by festusbanjo (Romney has run a business, a state, and an Olympics. Obama has never run anything but his mouth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Virginia and Florida go back to the Republicans, it’s the Confederacy, entirely

Remind me again Mr. Trig Truther as to what party the old Confederate planters and secessionists belonged to?

25 posted on 10/28/2012 11:40:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While flipping through the channels this morning, I actually caught this ridiculous tv moment. I used to watch “This Week” quite regularly back in the Brinkley days, but stopped entirely after he died.

Anyway, the show looked like some kind of SNL parody, with that pervert Sullivan sitting there talking about a new “Confederacy,” and that loathesome skank Nicole Wallace grinning aside him, and Stephanopolous intently staring. Beltway punditry never looked so embarrassingly pathetic. It just jars me to think this is what has become of the show I used to watch so much those many years ago.


26 posted on 10/28/2012 11:41:36 AM PDT by greene66
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You put a map of the Civil War over this electoral map, you’ve got the Civil War,

This much is true, however the racism accusation is a red herring. It is true now as was then, this "Cold" Civil War is about the relation ship between the Federal and the State(s). The first Civil War was about states rights, and here we are again.

This is like deja vu all over again. -- Yogi Berra

27 posted on 10/28/2012 11:44:30 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Indeed. That’s the first clue their thought process is twisted.


28 posted on 10/28/2012 11:44:52 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suppose it is amusing in a way that a southern Republican Confederacy today, while retaining the spirit of the American Revolution, would also retain the spirit of Lincoln’s Union, freedom and liberty.

And once again, the Democrats would be on the wrong side of history, supporting oppression, hate and the seven deadly sins as is their want.

As an interesting aside, I think it helps considerably to understand the Democrat point of view by reading the book, Cannibals All!, or Slaves Without Masters (1857), by George Fitzhugh.

It is not just a passionate defense of slavery, but a view of slavery as “proto-socialism”, a system so good that 9 out of every 10 people should be slaves, working for the remaining 1 out of 10 who would be the masters.

Complete text:

http://docsouth.unc.edu/southlit/fitzhughcan/fitzcan.html#fitz25

About George Fitzhugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fitzhugh


29 posted on 10/28/2012 11:48:17 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When you hear stuff like this you have to rate the speaker in terms of 1) credibility and 2) significance. How credible is Andrew? How much can you believe or trust what he says? How closely does his point of view reflect actual realities? I'm thinking I'd give him a 2 or 3 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I guess Andrew's on television, so that counts for something in terms of significance. Call that a 5 to begin with. But in comparison to other television pundits, he's a small fish, so that puts him down to a 2 or a 3 for significance.

Then decide whether it's worthwhile posting what he has to say. Is his outburst really important enough to post here? I don't think there's much validity in what he has to say. You might think it reveals something about what the "media elite" is thinking, but I suspect it just gives people something to get riled up about.

30 posted on 10/28/2012 11:51:38 AM PDT by x
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To: rockrr
Be very afraid. I got this in my email today:

Adam Platt's plan? Start in Tennessee and slowly eat his way east until, like General Sherman, he reached the sea

As if the storm wasn't bad enough. If you see his massive jaws moving in your direction, flee!

31 posted on 10/28/2012 11:54:19 AM PDT by x
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To: Bubba_Leroy

“Did all of those voters become racists over the past four years or did it just take them four years to notice that Obama is black?”
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Well, you know how they think, aside from being racists we are all supposed to be very slow.


32 posted on 10/28/2012 11:54:19 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Andy a bitch?


33 posted on 10/28/2012 11:54:45 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sullivan countered that he wasn’t necessarily alleging racism.

Aw, shucks, Andrew; we knew what you meant.

34 posted on 10/28/2012 11:57:29 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>“You put a map of the Civil War over this electoral map, you’ve got the Civil War,” he added.

As a matter of fact, if Leftist a-holes like you try to enslave the American people through your collectivist policies, you may just get the Civil War. You ideology is one of failure, poverty, enslavement, and death in every place that it has been tried for over a century. Get over it. The professors are WRONG!


35 posted on 10/28/2012 11:59:23 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These sorry, desperate piece of $hit would say and do anything to stay in power!


36 posted on 10/28/2012 12:00:50 PM PDT by elephant
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To: struggle

That’s how stupid the Dems are they are always talking about the Repubs when we all know that it was a Republican President that freed the slaves and that it was the Dems that were fighting integration. remember that Dem Sen. Byrd was a grand Wizard of the KKK.They always want to change history.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 12:01:47 PM PDT by onthegulf
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To: struggle

The poofter has run out of alarm bells to ring over the impending implosion of Obama and the Democrats, the Party of the Confederacy, and so now he is running wild with fantasies. He should lay off anonymous anal sex with thousands of men for a few days and maybe his cloudy thinking will clear up.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 12:02:16 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looked at the video- and gotta say, George Will is not this slick, but it was hilarious. He is looking at Sullivan (a purported brit) as he said “this leaves two possibilities...

and he shows the back side of his right hand holding up two fingers in the classic British “V for Victory” sign (originally from the battle of Agincourt in 1415 , when the British archers, led by Henry V, showed their two fingers to the French— their arrow release fingers, that is. The French, when capturing Brit archers, would cut off those two fingers). The V sign, with back of hand facing away— is also the classic “UP YOURS” quite British sign— as distinguished from the Roman finger.

GREAT JOB, George, though I think it might not have been thought out.


39 posted on 10/28/2012 12:05:05 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would think that the Confederacy would more likely make a comeback if Obama is re-elected.


40 posted on 10/28/2012 12:12:17 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I’m just pointing out the fact that the white people that have changed their minds happened to be in Virginia and Florida,”

This rooster sucker still doesn't get it. If it was just Virginians and Floridians, then why isn't Obama winning Indiana or polling at double digits ahead in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin?

This is as effing stupid as rooster sucker's pathetic rants about the Pains and their kids.

41 posted on 10/28/2012 12:13:22 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yes, the demented “Trig Truther” Sullivan. Indeed, when I caught the show while flipping channels, it was the initial sight of a two-shot of Sullivan/Wallace together that grabbed my attention, being well aware of how both these idiot scumbags were rewarded with their current spotlight and status as network pundits by their outlandish lying and smearing of Palin.


42 posted on 10/28/2012 12:27:30 PM PDT by greene66
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A good read, and quite telling also. Once the Union private interests took over the Southern private property (excepting slaves who were considered capital property in those times) and land, they then proceeded to put cheap labor factories in place and a new form of wage slavery for all who were thus economically trapped. So it was the Progressive socialists/neomarxists who used this meme and who replaced the real plantation with the govt. plantation, using the template of the “downtrodden” labor masses, and took over private enterprise into their industrial combines and railroads— and in the process making slaves comprised of many types of dependency of a whole lot more people, black and otherwise. And it was always the Democrat party preserving the status quo, however they could.
A crowning example of the statement that “Socialism is Theft”.

Not wanting to start another thread— but this has been the point of descendants of the propertied class of the South:that slaves became “constituencies” for the Progressives (working through the Freedmens Bureau and Reconstruction to impose federal political control over the “conquered” states, and later through the welfare state and War on Poverty)working to expand the Statist conquest over our Constitutional Republic and the total removal of States Rights. We have now come full circle, where the worst possible conservative to the Progressives, is a black conservative (Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, etc.).

So now we are constantly bombarded by challenges to the States by an ever growing monumental Statist federalist government- a product of the Democrat party. Deo Vindice.


43 posted on 10/28/2012 12:29:50 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you think with your crotch, your withering brain comes up with crazy notions like Andrew expressed here.


44 posted on 10/28/2012 12:31:18 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: struggle
That’s funny, the confederates were Democrats.

Yes, and Sen. Robert Byrd, Democrat, was Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan.

If the Confereracy is to come back, we southerners must all become Democrats.

45 posted on 10/28/2012 12:33:18 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Dallas59

Lol...I just built some slave quarters on the patio. Can’t wait for the cotton to ripen in the window box!

I don’t care who you are....that’s just plain funny!!


46 posted on 10/28/2012 12:35:30 PM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Andrew Sullivan warns of the Confederacy making a comeback if GOP wins Virginia, Florida

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!

Figured a little rebel yell wouldn't hurt.......Might make Andrew Sullivan crap his pants though :)

47 posted on 10/28/2012 12:39:39 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t get it. There a lots of red states that weren’t in the CSA, and not just the ones out west that didn’t exist at the time.


48 posted on 10/28/2012 12:39:39 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Has Andy found the real mother yet? Has Andy even tried to find the real mother yet?
49 posted on 10/28/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: RichInOC

HIV/AIDS or prions?


50 posted on 10/28/2012 12:57:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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