Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Fred Nerks]

You do what you are asking/telling us to do, go away and find out, and when you do, come back and tell us. And btw, when you do, let us know where have you been for the last eight years? Sleeping Beauty.

For all we know you could be Martha just drumming up paying hits for the blog.

Don’t tell me to calm down, I didn’t address you. Deliberately.

[Greenperson]

Thank you! Always in awe of your genealogical research prowess and your pursuit of primary sources. That’s why we cannot rely on publicly created databases like IMDB. Fans ought to be extra careful when they’re dealing with COMMON names like Newman.

btw, was it stated in that “elegy” to Malcolm that the writer was white? Are there no blacks named Newman?

[Greenperson]

And this would be the Valerie Newman that was born in 1940 and appears to be NEITHER of the actresses Newman. Thanks, again.

[Greenperson]

Bingo.

[Fred Nerks]

And from what I recall of that particular Trowbridge episode, the words she used were... from the time of conception until...

And that had to do with the address in New York, iirc, when she was describing how little Bari Shabazz was living at an address in New York, in close proximity to the residence of the MX family.

How she discovered that address is difficult to follow from the way she writes. But little babies are not listed BY NAME in directories as far as I know.

And her date just happens to be the birthdate of Barrington Smith.

Needless to say, I'm not prepared to go back to her website and check it out, but that seems to be what our resident whinging pom wants us to do. Sleeping beauty who hasn't posted here for eight years keeps asking why would someone from the Classified Advertising department be writing a tribute to MX.

BLOG PIMP is more like it.

[Brown Deer]

Are there no blacks named Newman?

That's also one of the problems that I have with the Malcolm theory. He was a racist that did not believe in any integration whatsoever. He did not agree with Martin Luther King at all. Even though his mother was half white (born in Grenada, her father was British), he hated all "crackers". If Malcolm was Soebarkah's father, then Stanley Ann certainly was not his mother.

[little jeremiah]

If Malcolm was Soebarkah's father, then Stanley Ann certainly was not his mother.

Bullseye.

[Fred Nerks]

I imagine it all depends on his definition of a ‘cracker’ which I take to be a white person whose family have a long history in the US, i.e., someone possibly decendant from slave owners ( I thought you fought in part, a civil war over this, but I digress) recall when he returned from the Bandung Conference in 1955, he had to be corrected a number of times, for saying there were NO WHITE PEOPLE at Bandung.

There was an entire arab contingent, Charles Malik from Lebanon was also there. MX apparently considered the arabs, the Koreans, the Egyptians etc...to be coloured people.

[Brown Deer]

Based upon the interviews that I’ve seen with him, he had a very low IQ. Whenever asked about his surname of Little, he would deny that he ever had that name. When asked what his father’s surname was, he would say he didn’t know.

He would say that all white people needed to be eliminated from this country, while forgetting the fact that he was at least 1/4 white. Isn’t it ironic that he was killed by black muslims? I guess they took his advice.

[Fred Nerks]

With the first leader of the PLO, Shukairy. MX was nothing but the tool of the arabs, it was anti-semitism that was the glue which held them all together, he described the Mufti as a charming, dignified man, the mufti who with Himmler, designed the method of disposal by burning, the remains of the victims at Auschwitz.

Malcolm received his rewards from the Saudis who no doubt made funds available for the construction of mosques throughout the US after his own conversion to sunni islam.

And he's still referred to as a great civil-rights activist. Even his master, Price Faisal looks disgusted with him. Arabs have a long history of using blacks to do their dirty work. Nothing's changed, has it?

[little jeremiah]

Arabs have a long history of using blacks to do their dirty work. Nothing's changed, has it?

Ain't that the truth.

[Fred Nerks]

I bet that was an interesting lecture.

[Spunky]

All this is making my head spin.

[Fred Nerks]

Shouldn’t be too hard...in the absence of a believable birth certificate, one that hasn’t been around the block a few times before the image was placed for your confusion and inspection on cyberspace and described as an abstract, the problem is no one knows who father really was, who his mother might have been, was he born in Hawaii or not...and just when was it he was placed on this earth; because if he was living in New York when he was a baby, and had his photo taken with SAD the nanny in Chicago when he was about six months old, what was going on in Seattle when Mary corrected herself and said she baby sat a seven month old zero? Who was Anna? Who? So SAD took off looking for the kenyan she was supposed to have married a year before he went anywhere...well, from what I can see, it was really Jo Ann Newman all the time, there was no Dunham Family, there never was a Stanley Ann, his mother worked in the Classified Advertising Department of some Newspaper...so it’s no wonder the MSM loves him, he was probably born on the printing room floor...deadlines you know, got to get the paper out. Sell some advertising space, go to the funeral of someone you’re not supposed to know, write a tribute, all in a day’s work.

Happy Now?

[little jeremiah]

Just ingest some LSD and all will become clear.

Or you could steer clear of people who have posted no comments since 2004 and then all of a sudden pop on to active threads and spew utter gibberish.

:-)

[ABrit]

In the last months of his life, however, Malcolm X began to reconsider his support of black nationalism after meeting northern African revolutionaries who, to all appearances, were white.[228]
After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to “rearrange” his thinking about race and “toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions”.[229] In a 1965 conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:
[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn’t just a black and white problem. It’s brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn’t a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I’ve lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I’m sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man’s entitled to make a fool of himself if he’s ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I’m glad to be free of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

[ABrit]

Were Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf in Kingston Jamaica on October 28th 1959? And where were they 266 days before on Wednesday, February 4, 1959? Was Malcolm X in the vicinity of the Valerie Sarruf?

[ABrit]

1959
02 08 Speaks at NOI meeting in New York.
02 11 Speaks at NOI meeting in Buffalo, New York.
02 15 Speaks at NOI Temple No. 18 in Cleveland.
03 22 Speaks at NOI meeting in New York.

[Plummz]

Valerie Saruuf looks a lot like Barry 0's half-sister, Lynn Davis:

[Seizethecarp]

Very amusing! So....Lynn Davis could be Valerie Sarruf’s daughter...by Malcolm X...and sister to Barry? The possibility boggles the mind!

One can get into a lot of trouble using "looks like" as evidence of relationship...