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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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1 posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; Polarik; LucyT; hoosiermama; Fractal Trader

This was intended to be the link for the thread, the link to Dr. Ron Polland’s youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8


2 posted on 08/01/2012 11:25:43 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Really? Haven’t FR gotten around to banning “Dr” Polarik and his insane zombies yet?


3 posted on 08/01/2012 11:26:47 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: Seizethecarp

I have seen nude pictures of Baby Barry Momma taken by a family friend & pornographer named Frank.


4 posted on 08/01/2012 11:27:39 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Seizethecarp
"I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA. "

And that obvious forged Birth Certificate got right past him?

I am a computer software engineer for a living, not a 'certified fraud examiner'

I have WRITTEN imaging software, and I knew within 10 minutes that Obambi's certificate was a fraud.

5 posted on 08/01/2012 11:29:42 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K
Um...I am the retired CFA and CPA, not Dr. Polland.

My observation is that all evidence to date confirms Stanley Ann as Barry's mom...but I EXCLUDE his forged pdf BC from the evidence I consider to show she is his mom. It is not needed, given all of the other evidence.

6 posted on 08/01/2012 11:41:18 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

He must be related at least to Stanley Dunham, because he looks just like him.


7 posted on 08/01/2012 11:57:28 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Seizethecarp

Time to get out the potato chips and soda, this is going to be a good show.


8 posted on 08/01/2012 12:32:24 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est)
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To: Seizethecarp
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother.

I missed that one.

9 posted on 08/01/2012 12:36:42 PM PDT by marron
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To: kabumpo
“He must be related at least to Stanley Dunham, because he looks just like him.”

Pictures of Stanley Armour Dunham flashing his “big smile” look much like Barry flashing his “big smile.” Even though Malcolm X's “big smile is also similar, I prefer to go with Occam's Razor and stick with Grampa Stanley as the source of the smile, although appearance can mean very little when determining paternity it won't hold up in court.

The only resemblance I see between Barry and Malcolm X is the general shape of the head and the teeth, but none of the finer features look very similar to me.

10 posted on 08/01/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Hardraade

Are you kidding? You haven’t gotten the ZOT yet?


11 posted on 08/01/2012 2:45:48 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: TexasCajun
“I have seen nude pictures of Baby Barry Momma taken by a family friend & pornographer named Frank.”

I'm hoping that a facial recognition software analysis will eventually be published comparing the nudie woman and SADO. The woman in the nudie pics weighs much less than Stanley Ann appears to weigh in most pictures at all ages with one exception, that being the apparent Halloween picture of her with little Barry appearing to be age two in a pirate outfit..perhaps in 1963. She appears to be very slender in that picture three years after the nudie pics and to me looks more like the nudie woman than in any other picture.

By my calculations, nine months of gestation before a claimed birth on Aug. 4, 1961 would be Nov. 4, 1960 and then a supposedly knowledgeable FReeper says add another week and push back conception to October 28, 1960, which would be even before Halloween. This would have made her already pregnant by Christmas when the nudie pics were supposedly taken.

So she could have been “involved” with BHO Sr in late October, gotten pregnant, and then posed for FM Davis. If she was “with” both of them the paternity of the baby might have been unknown. FMD being already married in the US vs. BHO Sr. pretending to be unmarried in Hawaii, Sr. might have drawn the short straw.

12 posted on 08/01/2012 3:00:40 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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I hear you also believe that an indentured servant named John Punch who broke his contract and was sentenced to slavery is an ancestor of Barry because his name rhymes with Bunch.


and btw, don't you also believe that Communist Frank Marshall Davis who was 55 years old when 0bama was born, is his real father?


13 posted on 08/01/2012 3:01:54 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Hardraade
“Haven’t FR gotten around to banning “Dr” Polarik and his insane zombies yet?”

Well, at least some zombies are here and Polarik is still a FReeper, last time I looked.

14 posted on 08/01/2012 3:03:14 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Yeah, because each time someone peeled off a layer of “Polarik’s” con man cloak he’d run away for a few months, to have his brigadiers bring his sh*t back on and use FR for a billboard.


15 posted on 08/01/2012 3:09:14 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: Seizethecarp
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

FMD being already married in the US vs. BHO Sr. pretending to be unmarried in Hawaii, Sr. might have drawn the short straw.

So, now you believe that they had a straw lottery in Hawaii to determine the father of Barry, 52 years ago? Really?

Well, that proves it! Great evidence!!!
16 posted on 08/01/2012 3:10:49 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Hardraade; Admin Moderator

but, you weren’t here then, were you retread?


17 posted on 08/01/2012 3:13:09 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp

The whole face shape and body is the same as the young Stanley Dunham.


18 posted on 08/01/2012 3:15:55 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Seizethecarp
But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.”

Who has been trying to protect her identity? She's very well known, at least she is in GB.
19 posted on 08/01/2012 3:18:54 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.”

Who has been trying to protect her identity? She's very well known, at least she is in GB.
20 posted on 08/01/2012 3:18:54 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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