Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Fred Nerks]

Odinga says Obama is his cousin

Odinga on Obama Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga has said he is a cousin of US presidential hopeful Barack Obama. Mr Odinga told the BBC's The World Today that Senator Obama's father was his maternal uncle.

RAILA ODINGA, whose father was Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, the man who obtained numerous scholarships from the USSR for Kenyans to study at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, to which he sent one of his own sons, was once upon a time a teacher at the Maseno school attended by the kenyan student Barack (Berwick) Obama and his older brother, Joseph/Yusuf. There may well be a family relationship somewhere in their background, a clan-based relationship perhaps, but Raila Odinga is NOT related to zero, because zero isn't the son of the kenyan student; the son of the kenyan student, last seen, was in Washington DC with the President of Equatorial Guinea.

That's the man on the far left of the group.

[Fred Nerks]

Father and sons and a brother: Barack, 'Roman' Malik and Omar.

[Fred Nerks]

WHEN DID ZERO FIRST VISIT KENYA?

...When, however, the African Obamas make claims that vary from the accepted Obama narrative, the media become much more skeptical.

For instance, the same Granny that Meacham quotes unquestioningly on family resemblance, he dismisses when she tells him that young Barry Obama attended the Senior Obama’s funeral.

“Obama did not attend his father's burial,” writes Meacham. “He came to Kenya only in 1987, on a journey, perhaps, to metaphorically bury Senior—or "the Old Man," as others in the family called him.”

Chronology is a frequent problem in Obama lore. In Dreams, young Obama leaves on his famed African pilgrimage immediately after his weepy first visit to Reverend Wright’s church and just before he begins Harvard, not in 1987, but in 1988.

Structurally, this timing works. Its accuracy is another question. Africa.com traced his first visit to Kenya to 1983, the summer after college graduation, “when he had come to mourn his late father.”

Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendell also puts this first visit in 1983. UK’s Independent and Obama’s uncle Sayid specify 1987 for the first trip, as did Obama himself when speaking to college students in Kenya in 2006. Remnick sticks to the official version of 1988 in his exhaustive 2010 Obama biography, The Bridge.

In Dreams, Obama dedicates 131 pages to this African pilgrimage. It is the climactic chapter of the book and presumably his life. And yet two years into his presidency, there is still nothing close to a consensus as to when he actually made this journey.

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It's not so confusing when you follow that his son would have attended the funeral and zero came along not long afterwards. There's nothing to show where Stanley Ann travelled to in June and April 1983, but Alice Dewey's story seems to provide a clue.

[Fred Nerks]

A Sunday Nation team that set out to trace Obama's roots was surprised to find that, unknown to many, Obama has actually been to this village twice. First in 1983, when he had come to mourn his late father, Barack Hussein Obama, who had died in Nairobi in 1982; and again in 1995 when he brought home his young bride to show her his roots.

During both visits, the villagers paid little or no attention to him. He managed to slip quietly into the village, pray at his father's graveyard and meet a few relatives and villagers.

[Fred Nerks]

He's wearing the same muslim 'dress' in both images.

[Seizethecarp]

It can be hard to judge age in Africans for me anyway, but Roman Obama Ekua looks to be a man in his late 30’s, not age 50+ which he would be if he was the same Roman Obama who was in Moscow. He does NOT appear to me to be mixed race.

Roman Obama Ekua appears to be currently stationed in Wash D.C. because he is listed as the Second Secretary at the embassy of his apparent native country on the embassy listing of the U.S. Office of the Chief of Protocol as of January 17, 2012:

http://m.state.gov/md182778.htm

EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF EQUATORIAL GUINEA
Chancery: 2020 16TH STREET, NW 20009
(EMBASSY 202-518-5700) (FAX 202-518-5252)

HER EXCELLENCY PURIFICACION ANGUE ONDO
AMBASSADOR EXTRAORDINARY & PLENIPOTENTIARY

MR. ROMAN OBAMA EKUA
SECOND SECRETARY

MRS. PACIENCIA MATA MOHOSO
THIRD SECRETARY

MR. CONSTANTINO NJUE NGUI
ATTACHE (ADMINISTRATIVE)

[Seizethecarp]

From the current CIA World Book for Roman’s Equatorial Guinea the country appears to be an authoritarian military dictatorship with a lot of oil revenue for its size:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ek.html

Executive branch:
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chief of state: President Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Teodoro OBIANG Nguema Mbasogo (since 3 August 1979 when he seized power in a military coup)

head of government: Prime Minister Vicente Ehate TOMI (since 22 May 2012)

cabinet: Council of Ministers appointed by the president
(For more information visit the World Leaders website Opens in New Window)
elections: president elected by popular vote for a seven-year term (two term limits); election last held on 29 November 2009 (next to be held in 2015); prime minister and deputy prime ministers appointed by the president; note - according to the constitutional referendum on November 2011, elections are to be held in 2015 and the presidency is limited to two terms

election results: Teodoro OBIANG Nguema Mbasogo reelected president; percent of vote - Teodoro OBIANG Nguema Mbasogo 95.8%, Placido Mico ABOGO 3.6%, other 0.6%

Legislative branch:
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unicameral House of People’s Representatives or Camara de Representantes del Pueblo (100 seats; members directly elected by popular vote to serve five-year terms)

elections: last held on 4 May 2008 (next to be held in 26 May 2013)

election results: percent of vote by party - NA; seats by party - PDGE 89, EC 10, CPDS 1

note: note - Parliament has little power since the constitution vests all executive authority in the president; the constitutional referendum of 2011 calls for a bicameral legislature to be formed following the May 2013 elections; the newly formed Senate will consist of elected and appointed (by the President) members

Economy - overview:
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The discovery and exploitation of large oil and gas reserves have contributed to dramatic economic growth, but fluctuating oil prices have produced huge swings in GDP growth in recent years. The economy is still dominated by hydrocarbon production.

[little jeremiah]

Could it be because Stanley Ann Dunham and zero had been to the village after the old man's death in 1982, and introduced themselves as the wife of the kenyan student and his son, born in Hawaii?

I would assume that everyone knew when Zero and Stanley Ann arrived that they were imposters, since the real BHO had grown up in Kenya, right? And since they knew Zero was an imposter, what compelled them to reject the real BHO and pretend that Zero was BHO? Money? Threats?

[Seizethecarp]

Here is a dating or invitation to “friend” site for Roman Obama Ekua claiming to be age 33, as of 2011, per Google which would make him the age of mid-30s that he appears to be in the photos on this thread and on this site. He lives in VA near the embassy it seems.

http://badoo.com/0203075283/

“Roman Obama Ekua, 33”

Columbia Heights, VA, United States

[Fred Nerks]

Well...considering how often so many of the clan attempt to convince us that zero is their relative, something must have happened to make it worth their while.

[little jeremiah]

Nah, I’m not an optimist at all. I don’t have rose colored glasses, I have storm cloud colored glasses, streaked with rain...

But the news - the scent of fresh wind - the change in the air - the sudden rustling of leaves - it’s not a dry dread east wind, it’s a fresh ocean west wind. Change is on the way, and not the “FORWARD [into the abyss]” type of change the evil cabal has in mind.

The MSM is starting to turn against him, and more witnesses are in the wings, the tide is turning. And then people are giong to want to know: “Just who the HE!! is he???!??”

[little jeremiah]

I remember that story. A good writer. What a hellish place.

[little jeremiah]

That’s interesting, I’ve read many places on FR threads about Stanley Ann’s work with craftspeople and microloans etc in Indonesia, and she spent time in Pakistan doing I know not what (but maybe the same or a simliar gig?) but I don’t recall anything about doing that in Africa. I wonder why Dewey would want to place her in Africa.

[Fred Nerks]

Soviet Collapse Leaves Foreign Students Stuck

MOSCOW - For nearly a decade, Roman Obama's life at Patrice Lumumba University was almost paradise. He studied for free and got warm clothes and cheap airline tickets that let him see the world.

"We had so many possibilities. Maybe it was not a luxurious life, but we could travel and do things," said Obama, 31, a law student from Equatorial Guinea.

FIND HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

[little jeremiah]

During both visits, the villagers paid little or no attention to him.

>HA HA HA HA HA!

[little jeremiah]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[little jeremiah]

Well...considering how often so many of the clan attempt to convince us that zero is their relative, something must have happened to make it worth their while.

From various photos, some seem happier about it than others.

[Fred Nerks]

...I wonder why Dewey would want to place her in Africa.

When Kezia said when I first met her, she was like a sister to me I wondered where they would have met, and then when Alice Dewey indicates Stanley Ann was in Kenya, and tries to fob it off as if she was 'working' there, the penny drops. Take it step by step; Alice is no different to anyone else, she's another sycophant, she can't keep her mouth shut either. When Alice says she saw a video of zero standing next to a building where Stanley Ann arranged mirco loans - in KENYA (!) how the heck would she recognize the building, if she wasn't there herself? Can you imagine the three of them decending upon the village after they got the news the 'old man' had been killed in an accident? Stanley Ann says, I'm the woman he married in Hawaii and this is his son, and Alice says, that's right, I was her teacher, I was there and I knew them all.

[Fred Nerks]

Alice Greeley Dewey is an American anthropologist who studied Javanese society. She was a professor of anthropology at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa from 1962 until her retirement in 2005.

She's the granddaughter of John Dewey who I believe had something to do with your current education system - and she now lives permanently in Indonesia.

[little jeremiah]

Very interesting. Yes, John Dewey, the progressive socialist, who wanted schools to be drone factories, and so they are.