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1 posted on 04/21/2012 10:44:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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"The law must be stricken from the books — not only in Florida but also in each of the other dozen or so states where legislators passed it while apparently temporarily insane."

Apparently.

2 posted on 04/21/2012 10:48:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Please...comparing this with nearly 50 year old TV shows? One’s no one has seen ? When now all they show is swishy ‘metrosexuals’. This goon would have us all disarmed and victims. Which is the end game.


3 posted on 04/21/2012 10:55:55 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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An armed society is a polite society. QED. Criminals hate armed citizenry.


4 posted on 04/21/2012 10:58:13 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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Another idiot that disregards all the evidence that Zimmerman was being beaten to death and had no option other than shooting his assailant.

Reading opinions like these, you’d think Zimmerman shot Martin from across the street because he didn’t like his hoodie.


5 posted on 04/21/2012 10:58:44 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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The media is turning this into the “No One Is the Boss of Me” law, the “Kiss My Ass, Jerk” law, but I thought it was about legal issues and lawsuits, and such.

The freepers that speak legalese and can translate it to we street level posters, need to post the language that we need to counter this effort with, what is a sentence or two description of the original purpose of laws saying that we won’t be prosecuted for self defense?


6 posted on 04/21/2012 11:01:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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Only two problems with this allusion. The first is that TV viewers understood that the law was needed in the West of the 19th century — when lawlessness prevailed, when you could not dial 911 and when every man carried a six-shooter or a rifle out in the open. Such circumstances, of course, did not apply to the America that watched westerns in the movie theater or on TV in the 1960s.

David McGrath is an emeritus professor of English at the College of DuPage and author of “The Territory,” a story collection.

He's also an idiot. The places with a lot of violence back in the "wild west days" were the big cities of the East with gun control laws. As Heinlein, a far better writer dead than McGrath is alive, said, "An armed society is a polite society."
7 posted on 04/21/2012 11:04:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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I have news for professor Unicorn; Gunsmoke was a television show.


8 posted on 04/21/2012 11:05:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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For a professor, you are a REAL idiot.

911 in the Gunsmoke era? Gotcha!


9 posted on 04/21/2012 11:09:50 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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Better the Wild West than the present Europe!


10 posted on 04/21/2012 11:10:23 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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I’m an undersized guy, and as such I’d see a lot of people as a real threat should they want to do me harm.


11 posted on 04/21/2012 11:11:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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Where the heck is the barf alert???


12 posted on 04/21/2012 11:13:17 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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“God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.”


13 posted on 04/21/2012 11:14:31 PM PDT by juno67
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In the movie “Shane,” among the most highly acclaimed westerns of the aforementioned era, Jack Wilson, a kind of neighborhood watch captain hired by cattlemen, and played by Jack Palance,...

This professor is a drooling moron. Palance played a gun for hire. Alan Ladd's character most resembled a modern neighborhood watch captain.

14 posted on 04/21/2012 11:16:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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“Got that?”

No! I do not have that. I’m so uncertain that if my head is being bashed upon the pavement repeatedly I really Am uncertain!!!


17 posted on 04/22/2012 12:00:59 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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Typical dumbass professor attempting to equate Hollywood entertainment “rules”or “values” with real life. Honestly, this is a primary example of why our educational institutes are churning out ignorant and unemployable young adults at an ever increasing rate.
18 posted on 04/22/2012 12:04:56 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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Lawlessness still prevails in many places. Dialing 911 often only tells the cops where to find your body. The equal force idea is only feasible when both parties are evenly matched physically.

Trayvon Martin was a tall, broad shouldered and muscular MAN, not a little boy, 6 inches taller than George Zimmerman and probably in better shape.

In actual combat situations the "fairness" principle is a load of crap. The only applicable rules are whatever it takes. No one in the "wild West" was expected to submit to being pounded to death by an "unarmed" assailant.

Chicago should keep it's idiots at home.

19 posted on 04/22/2012 12:07:05 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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That analogy to a old time western movie hardly makes sense. No, I ain’t got it.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 12:16:14 AM PDT by BIGLOOK
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Actually, a better case could be made that it was young Martin who misinterpreted the “stand your ground” principle in that confrontation, to his misfortune. Jurisdictions without SYG would have required him to retreat to the house where he was staying to avoid the altercation.


23 posted on 04/22/2012 12:23:40 AM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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So-called “stand your ground” laws (laws, I like that) are a great example of how we’ve basically thrown out the Constitution and remember none of the Declaration.

My little brain is trying to think of any valid reason why a law would be necessary to codify the inherent right of self defense. As if I’m only allowed to defend myself in my house. Right...

Suddenly, the light turns on. Bing !

Oh... (duh)... if Courts don’t acknowledge Common Law, common sense, the Constitution, etc., i.e., they side with the attacker instead of the attackee... well then legislatures might see an opportunity to pass a “stand your ground” law to try to make it clear to Judges that it’s legal for citizens to defend themselves.

Even my little pea-brain can figure out the source of the problem: the Judicial system humors pathetic legal defenses based on the attacker’s attorney claiming that the victim had no right to defend themselves from their client.

I guess it’s welcome to legal “bizzarro world”. Well, until we clean out the moral deadwood in the Judicial system.


24 posted on 04/22/2012 12:25:35 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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Of course, regarding this particular professor’s (???) childish lie of a column, deadly force employed in self-defense is certainly legitimate if one reasonably believes that one’s life is in danger.

Having one’s head banged on the sidewalk, IMHO, clearly fits that bill. Just to get into all the minutia (since we’re talking about a “professor’s” column), one could reasonably assume that one would soon be rendered unconscious, after which, given the maniac bashing one’s head against the sidewalk seems a rather hell-bent fellow, one could certainly reasonably assume that said fellow would continue the bashing after one lost consciousness. Ergo, it’s a most appropriate time to avail oneself of one’s weapon and finish the bugger off (IMHO), and I doubt it would take very long for the attackee to work through all these details in their mind in that situation.


27 posted on 04/22/2012 12:36:24 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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