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Challenge: A Scriptural Portrait of Mary
The Bible | 1/1/7 | pjr12345

Posted on 01/02/2007 11:46:14 AM PST by pjr12345

Below are all the biblical references to Mary, the mother of Jesus that I could locate. Anything beyond Scriptural references is conjecture, the philosophies of men and not God.

Would anyone care to construct a Scripturally accurate portrait of Mary, leaving behind extra-biblical sources?

Please include your Scriptural references in support of your description.

Isaiah 7:13-14

Matthew 1:13-25; 2:11, 14, 20-21; 12: 46-50; 13:54-56

Mark 3:31-35; 6:3

Luke 1:26-56; 2:1-7, 16-19, 27, 33-35, 39, 41-51; 8:19-21

John 2:1-12; 6:41-42; 19:25-26

Acts 1:14


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Heated Discussion; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: another; bashingthread; mary; motherofgod; nativity; virgin
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To: Campion; pjr12345
What about the typological significance of the "queen mother" in the Davidic monarchy?

You beat me to it Campion; just as well since I'm being called to dinner.

A good place to start looking is in I Kings 1-2. Note that King David tells Bathsheba that her son Solomon is to be the next king.

The Gebirah (queen mother) played an important part in Near Eastern monarchies because she acted as the queen (instead of one of the King's many concubines). We see that she had real power and was given honor, even by her son, the King (II Kings 2:19). In addition, she was sought for requests to the King (vss. 13-18). In addition, her place was normally at the King's right hand (vs. 19); in art Mary when portrayed as the Heavenly Queen is often placed at Jesus's right hand, because his place as King of the Heavenly Israel makes her the Queen of the Heavenly Israel.

101 posted on 01/02/2007 2:54:27 PM PST by GCC Catholic
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To: kawaii

I have yet to see a Scripture-only description of Mary from anyone on this thread.

Does no one wish to provide one?


And for the sake of kawaii and others, by scripture I mean the 66 books of the old testament (Genesis to Malachi), and the 27 books of the new testament (Matthew to Revelation).


102 posted on 01/02/2007 2:54:33 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: NYer

No doubt he goes to the church of Self.

Interestingly there is a whole religion based on placing yourself above all else:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism


103 posted on 01/02/2007 2:54:49 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: pjr12345

1. As Scott Hahn points out, nowhere in the Scripture does it say, "Sola Scriptura."

2. In several places, the gospel writers testify that many other things were said that were not written down. Some of these things were passed along in the early Church without being included in the canonical scriptures. So their authority is less certain, but not simply dismissable out of hand.

3. Even what is written is unclear. Thus the great passage in Revelation has been differently interpreted by Catholics and some Protestants. The Woman in the Wilderness to Catholics is Mary, but for some early Protestants was the true Church in exile. I must say that I find that a bit of a stretch.




12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.





Very hard to see how this Woman who gives birth to a man child who will rule the universe and put down Satan and be seated on the Throne of God, is not Mary, the Mother of Jesus.


104 posted on 01/02/2007 2:55:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Claud

Is that the only place in scripture where that Greek word is used?


105 posted on 01/02/2007 2:55:16 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: GCC Catholic

Utter conjecture.


106 posted on 01/02/2007 2:55:32 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: brwnsuga

The Annointed One? What about the 3rd member of the Trinity, the Logos.


107 posted on 01/02/2007 2:56:13 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii


The one that starts at Genesis and ends the Revelations.


108 posted on 01/02/2007 2:56:14 PM PST by brwnsuga
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To: kawaii

If you're unwilling to tackle the challenge of this thread, must you attack me?


109 posted on 01/02/2007 2:57:23 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: dangus

Well, then why did Jesus correct her in the very next verse?


110 posted on 01/02/2007 2:57:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: brwnsuga

Care to wager how many of those 229105 start with Genesis, end with Revelation but skimp a bit in between? Oh what's a Maccabes here, or a Mark 16:16 there...


111 posted on 01/02/2007 2:57:53 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Cicero

Not asking about authority.

Just looking for an exclusively Scriptural portrait of Mary.


112 posted on 01/02/2007 2:58:41 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: pjr12345

I will happily endeavor to point out the meaning of scripture to you once you specify what you're calling scripture. 229105 books profess to be the Bible on Amazon. Rather than having you say yea or nea with regard to each quote it'd be easy to agree on which one you're calling Scripture.


113 posted on 01/02/2007 2:59:20 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: brwnsuga

Once a month?? why just once a month? And do you believe that it is the Body and Blood of Christ, and not just a symbol?


114 posted on 01/02/2007 2:59:28 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: pjr12345

Which one of 229105 different scriptural portraits are you looking for?


115 posted on 01/02/2007 3:00:17 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: brwnsuga

Do women cover their heads, and remain silent during these Sundays?


116 posted on 01/02/2007 3:00:59 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Mary is not the mother of God. Nor does the true Catholic Church accept such blasphemy.

The Catholic Church has prepared outstanding doctrine on KENOSIS. Mary was a woman who bore the child, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, in His humanity, NOT His DIETY.

Her chromosomes were used along with the enabling work of the Holy Spirit to produce the incarnation of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

He was perfect in body, soul and spirit, the second Adam so created by God.

God doesn't need man to create life. God fulfilled Prophecy when He brought forth our Lord through the lineage of Mary.

The Old Sin Nature is perpetuated through the seed of the male chromosomes. Accordingly, every human born of a male father, has an old sin nature and is born dichotomous in body and soul, lacking a living spirit. Only our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus was born with a living spirit since Adam over the entire history of mankind. Only Christ Jesus was capable of providing the perfect sacrifice for the atonement of sin for all humanity.

BTW, we don't even know if Mary is saved. Only God knows her heart and if she had a saving faith as a believer in Him through Christ.


117 posted on 01/02/2007 3:01:45 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: kawaii

In your case, I suppose I should allow all of them. If you bother to answer, you're going to use whatever written and unwritten sources you please anyway.

All posts from kawaii are disallowed due to bullheadedness.


118 posted on 01/02/2007 3:02:43 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: Uncle Chip
She could have spoken the truth: "Joseph and I..."

Most parents don't teach their children to refer to them by their first names. When I want to communicate something about their mother to my children, I say "your mother," not my wife's Christian name.

Calling Joseph Jesus' "father" is a gloss for the sake of brevity, not a lie. There was no intent to deceive, and nobody with any right to know the truth was deceived at all.

119 posted on 01/02/2007 3:02:56 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: kawaii

I'm talking about what Jesus Christ said in Luke 22: 17-20


120 posted on 01/02/2007 3:04:20 PM PST by brwnsuga
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