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I'VE GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU, SAY FEUDING DINOSAUR EXPERTS
The Observer ^ | 7 Sept. 2003 | Robin McKie

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:58:13 PM PDT by Mike Darancette

The world's biggest bang wiped out the dinosaurs in a cataclysm that swathed our planet in choking dust - or at least that is what many palaeontologists claim. Others say dinosaurs died out gradually as Earth's climate and geology changed.

It sounds a typical academic dispute - but last week it erupted into open warfare. Allegations have been made of deceit and unethical behaviour. One scientist is even alleged to have held back inconvenient evidence.

'This affair has become an object lesson on how partisan and unethical the whole dinosaur controversy has become,' said Dr Norman MacLeod, keeper of palaeontology at London's Natural History Museum. 'Young scientists are now refusing to get involved in this field because no matter what they say it will offend someone and dam age their careers. It's like the nature-nurture debate. No matter what you say, someone will hate you for it.'

The furore focuses on a massive drilling project set up to study the Chicxulub crater in Yucatán. Buried under half a mile of rock, the crater was created 65 million years ago when Earth was hit by a meteorite 10 miles in diameter. The blast would have blotted out the sun for decades, or even centuries, many researchers claim. Given that around this time the dinosaurs became extinct, many scientists made a direct link. Denied sunlight and food, most of the world's animals would have starved, and choked, to death.

But others disagree. Volcanoes, global warming or sea level changes were responsible, they say - pointing to evidence that most dinosaurs became extinct before the explosion and to the fact that many large animals such as alligators survived this alleged catastrophe. Things weren't that bad, they say.

In a bid to resolve the dispute, a £2 million project was launched in Yucatán two years ago. Researchers drilled a pipe into the Earth's crust to bring back samples of the meteor and crater wall. By studying what happened just before and just after the meteorite impact, scientists would glean critical insights, it was argued. For example, it would show if all life was extinguished in the millennia that followed the impact.

In 2002 the first samples were brought up. To the disgust of Mexican geologists, and to many scientists who doubted the Big Blast theory, these were entrusted to Jan Smit, a geologist at the Free University of Amsterdam and a leading supporter of the meteorite hypothesis. Promising to cut up the samples and distribute them to project scientists, Smit left with the precious Chicxulub remains. A year later, many scientists were still seeking the promised samples. 'We were dismayed,' geochemist Erika Elswick of Indiana University in Bloomington states in the current issue of Nature . 'There was no explanation given, no apology.'

Eventually some samples were sent out, but most were too small for experiments. Dismay turned to fury. Researcher Gerta Keller, of Princeton University, pressed Smit and at last got a good set of samples. At the European Union of Geosciences conference in Nice, she presented her results, which were a bombshell. Her research, Keller claimed, clearly showed that marine plankton, far from being killed off by debris blotting out the sun, thrived for hundreds of thousands of years after the crater was created. The meteor that struck at Chicxulub was not responsible for mass extinctions, she concluded.

Nor is Keller reticent in her interpretation of Smit's behaviour. 'He tried to postpone our results so that he could remain unchallenged at that meeting,' she states in Nature . Smit dismisses the allegation as 'ridiculous'. He blames the delays on his busy schedule and poor communications by those running the project. He also claims Keller misidentified some fossils in her samples.

The row is far from over. Project scientists are preparing papers containing results of studies of the samples they obtained from Smit and these will be published in a special issue of Meteoritics and Planetary Science next year. Few doubt it will resolve the issue. As MacLeod says: 'It's no longer about science. It's about reputations.'

Copyright 2003, The Observer


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; deccantraps; gertakeller; paleontology
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1 posted on 09/29/2003 7:58:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mike Darancette
'It's no longer about science. It's about reputations.'

Isn't it always?

2 posted on 09/29/2003 8:09:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Mike Darancette
global warming or sea level changes were responsible

Yada,yada,yada. What evidence was there that global warminig took place at this time??? From what I've read evidence points to global cooling.

3 posted on 09/29/2003 8:15:55 PM PDT by lizma
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To: ClearCase_guy
'It's no longer about science. It's about reputations.'

Isn't it always?

No it's about all the liberal junk science based upon the big bang.

4 posted on 09/29/2003 8:22:57 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Mike Darancette
That's nothing new. I have for years worked with unethical dinosaurs.
5 posted on 09/29/2003 8:37:44 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: VadeRetro
Another dream story. This is becoming entertaining.
6 posted on 09/29/2003 8:40:47 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Elsie; gore3000; AndrewC; jennyp; f.Christian; lockeliberty; RadioAstronomer; LiteKeeper; ...
Pingaroonie!
7 posted on 09/29/2003 8:42:46 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Thanks for the heads up!
8 posted on 09/29/2003 8:46:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mike Darancette
INTREP
9 posted on 09/29/2003 8:50:07 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Alamo-Girl
My pleasure.

I am still trying to get enough time on my hands to jump into the "What Is Man" thread. A quick perusal told me to stay clear.
10 posted on 09/29/2003 8:53:38 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Mike Darancette
Obviously, the samples should have been divided into sets, labelled, and distributed to the investigating parties from the wellsite, or the nearest shipping point. Sheesh! We do this on oil wells all the time.

Point two: A thriving plankton population does not rule out a massive die-off in terrestrial metazoans, but could result from the increase in nutrients released by the impact. While this might be good for relatively basic aquatic organisms, the same impact could be catastrophic for vertebrate lifeforms and the plants which ultimately form the base of their food chain. It would not take a hundred years of darkness to cause mayhem, ecologically, only a few critical months of growing season.

If there were a major nuclear winter effect, some evidence of glaciation occuring somewhere at the K-T boundary should be present.

I find the 'study' results inconclusive for determining whether or not the impact killed the dinosaurs. They only deal with plankton.

11 posted on 09/29/2003 8:59:17 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Mike Darancette
The dinosaurs died because George Bush did not support the Kyoto Treaty on Global Warming. :-) which can be directly linked to Chad Fraud in Florida by the Demoncrats. Thus in reality the Dinosaurs died because of Al Gore's campaign. :-)
12 posted on 09/29/2003 9:00:06 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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To: ClearCase_guy
That was the quote that caught my eye also.
13 posted on 09/29/2003 9:00:28 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: bondserv
Pingaroonie!

Thanks. Interesting. BTW, I've noticed that creationists will ping evolutionists, but the evos like only to ping their own. Hmmm.

14 posted on 09/29/2003 9:02:09 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: bondserv
LOL! It'll take some reading to catch up, but I think you'll enjoy it. The idea of the thread is to compare answers to the question "What is Man?" from different worldviews.

betty boop is representing the Platonist worldview, I'm doing the Christian worldview. It gets a little strange because we think so much alike - we're both Christian and both Platonist. LOL!

Hank Kerchief has represented the Autonomist/Objectivist worldview. There are no full-fledged "takers" yet for other worldviews, but there has been engaging insight from various perspectives.

We'd love to hear your "two cents" and we welcome others to join in as well.

15 posted on 09/29/2003 9:06:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Smokin' Joe
You are right. A "mere" ten degree drop in temperature for a couple of years would devestate large terrestrial animals as a
result of a massive die off in the terrestrial food supply. In geologic terms the recovery of the ocean plankton would be almost instant in relationship to what we find in the micro fossils. The dinosaurs could have been killed off and the oceans could have been "almost" wiped out but recovered quickly in relationship to the micro fossil record. The real way to intepret the data is the entire fossil record and die off at the K2 boundry. Many other species also "bit the dust" at the same time. This lends support to the impact theory but does not verify it.
16 posted on 09/29/2003 9:09:16 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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To: ClearCase_guy
What, you mean scientists aren't strictly objective? Hey, maybe we ought to read between the lines with these scientific folks a little more often.

How can truth be advanced if the leaders of the discipline won't admit when they are wrong, but instead make every effort to stomp out any contradictory voices, even going so far as to conceal evidence that doesn't support their own pet theory?
17 posted on 09/29/2003 9:15:07 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Mike Darancette
I can't wait to see what Ross has to say on the subject. ;^)
18 posted on 09/29/2003 9:17:07 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Rocky
Unfortunately, enough governmental entities are doling out grant money to 'studies' which have politically convenient results. The remainder are funded by foundations or corporate entities with their own agendae.

Some of the sacred cows of the grant industry include: Global Warming, Motorcycle Helmets and Seat Belts, Tobacco, HIV causes AIDS, and Genetically modified Food is good for you.

This doesn't begin to touch on When is a human life a human life (Abortion) or whether homosexuality is genetic or just aberrant behaviour.

If you want balance, better find out who funded the study. Most studies whose outcomes disagree with the stance of the funding organization will be quashed, those which ask questions like "Can tobacco have beneficial effects?" will never be funded, and the former will eventually be repeated by a different researcher or team, while the first group or researcher takes up construction work to make ends meet.

19 posted on 09/29/2003 9:38:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: bondserv
Deal a new hand. The games not over yet. No matter how the fossils are interpreted, if any thing is certain, physics hasn't changed on us.
20 posted on 09/29/2003 11:01:15 PM PDT by AndrewC
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