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On Confederate Memorial Day, an honest annotation of the Mississippi Declaration of Secession
Mississippi Today ^ | 04/29/2024 | Michael Guidry

Posted on 05/01/2024 4:07:52 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina

The Declaration of Secession was the result of a convention of the Mississippi Legislature in January of 1861. The convention adopted a formal Ordinance of Secession written by former Congressman Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus Lamar. While the ordinance served an official purpose, the declaration laid out the grievances Mississippi’s ruling class held against the federal government under the leadership of President-elect Abraham Lincoln...The convention really couldn’t be any more straightforward:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest in the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at mississippitoday.org ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: confederacy; slavery
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Thought experiment: What would the country look like today had it never participated in the slave trade?
1 posted on 05/01/2024 4:07:52 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: TexasKamaAina

We probably go the route of Sweden, Ireland or several other places who had no slavery imports, but idiot females started feeling sad and pushed for mass immigration.
Only our music and BBQ would be less satisfying.

I doubt there was any escape.


2 posted on 05/01/2024 4:11:29 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: TexasKamaAina

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest in the world.”

Seems reasonably clear.


3 posted on 05/01/2024 4:13:35 PM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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To: TexasKamaAina
I guess I need to put this here.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/11/13/a-civil-war-lesson-for-the-uneducated/

Slavery was an excuse to secede. It was already legal in the Union, and Lincoln and his Republican majority in Congress tried to make it fully protected as constitutional law through the Corwin Amendment.

4 posted on 05/01/2024 4:15:15 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: TexasKamaAina

Decleration of Treason against the United States.


5 posted on 05/01/2024 4:18:10 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: TexasKamaAina
No matter how much Southerners hated high tariffs after seeing how much damage it did to their economy during the Tariff of Abominations and the Nullification Crisis that followed, they could not say it was unconstitutional. The US Constitution placed no limit on the federal government's ability to put tariffs on goods.

Similarly, no matter how much Southerners complained that they were not getting their fair share of the money raised by those tariffs which they as the exporter/importers were paying the overwhelming share of, for things like infrastructure projects, corporate subsidies, subsidies to certain industries, light houses, coastal forts, dredging harbors, etc etc they once again could not say it was unconstitutional. There is nothing in the US Constitution that requires the federal government to apportion its expenditures fairly or evenly.

Slavery however gave Southerners a legitimate constitutional argument. Northern states had refused to enforce the fugitive slave clause of the US Constitution and had gone considerably out of their way to impede the recapture of escaped slaves. This was blatantly unconstitutional. Here in this issue, Southerners had constitutional/legal grounds to say the Northern states had violated the Constitution and that therefore the contract was broken and they were out.

Lincoln orchestrated and the Northern dominated US Congress immediately passed the Corwin Amendment - which Lincoln endorsed in his all important first inaugural address - which would have explicitly protected slavery in the US Constitution effectively forever. Protecting slavery was the very first bargaining chip they were prepared to offer up if only their cash cows - the Southern states - would come back in. The original 7 seceding states said no. They were not interested in slavery forever. They wanted their independence.

Both sides knew the Southern states would be much better off and the Northern states would be much worse off if the Southern states became independent.

6 posted on 05/01/2024 4:39:18 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: TexasKamaAina

Oh and of course, the union was voluntary and was based on consent. Each state is sovereign and has the right to unilateral secession. That is the common understanding every state had when it ratified the US Constitution just 8 years after seceding from the British Empire and having their individual sovereignty recognized in the 1783 Treaty of Paris with Great Britain.


7 posted on 05/01/2024 4:41:29 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

And Shemrman ended that argument.


8 posted on 05/01/2024 4:49:58 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: cowboyusa

Might does not make right.


9 posted on 05/01/2024 5:04:28 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: TexasKamaAina

“ the declaration laid out the grievances Mississippi’s ruling class held against the federal government under the leadership of President-elect Abraham Lincoln.”

How could the federal government be under his leadership when he wasn’t president yet.


10 posted on 05/01/2024 5:10:19 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: FLT-bird
after seceding from the British Empire……..”

Best laugh I’ve had all day! Let’s just brush over the Declaration of Independence and Lexington and Concord and Bunker Hill, and Valley Forge, and Fort Ticonderoga and Washington crossing the Delaware, and, well, that whole Revolutionary War part!

11 posted on 05/01/2024 5:10:58 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Borders, language and culture. Michael Savage)
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To: FLT-bird

Oh, but it did.


12 posted on 05/01/2024 5:13:18 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: cowboyusa

No it didn’t.


13 posted on 05/01/2024 5:29:56 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

Where is the Csa today?


14 posted on 05/01/2024 5:37:07 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: TexasKamaAina; Pelham

This country today is collapsing under its own weight at light speed and you run a virtue signaling over race thread?

Boy what priorities

Slavery bad

How many times you need to hear that shit?

I’m over it

I do not give an F

Nothing has to be perfect to be good

That means western civilization and us

Yeah white people and 99.9% Christian

A better thread would be

WHAT WOULD THE WORLD BE LIKE HAD WHITE CHRISTIANS NEVER EXISTED?


15 posted on 05/01/2024 5:37:56 PM PDT by wardaddy (. A disease in the public mind btw Alina Habba is fine as grits)
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To: cowboyusa

Living rent free in your brain cowboy

But you already knew that

We have much more pertinent issues at hand with our current Disease in the Public Mind


16 posted on 05/01/2024 5:39:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (. A disease in the public mind btw Alina Habba is fine as grits)
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To: BroJoeK; jmacusa

17 posted on 05/01/2024 5:40:33 PM PDT by x
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To: wardaddy

Yes, I agree with you, it’s silly to worry about past history, when marxism in the US must be crushed. And we are on the same side. I will fight to the death for the USA!


18 posted on 05/01/2024 5:42:58 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: cowboyusa

States have the right to unilaterally secede. The Federal government doesn’t want to recognize it and will threaten violence to prevent it but as Jefferson Davis said “Truth crushed to earth is truth still and like a seed will rise again.”


19 posted on 05/01/2024 5:53:11 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: wardaddy
I guess you didn’t read the article.

Happy Confederates Memorial Day!

20 posted on 05/01/2024 5:54:25 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Borders, language and culture. Michael Savage)
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