Posted on 11/09/2023 4:09:39 AM PST by marktwain
Much has been made of an 1824 University of Virginia ban on the keeping of weapons on campus by students. The resolution was passed on October 4, 1824, about five months before classes were started at the University. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both former presidents and elder statesmen, were members of the board and attended when the resolutions were passed. Both were to die on July 4th, 1826, one year and nine months later.
No Student shall admit any disturbing noises in his room, or make them any where within the precincts the University, or fire a gun or pistol within the same, on pain of such minor sentence as the faculty shall decree or approve. but the proper use of musical instruments, shall be freely allowed in their rooms, and in that appropriated for instruction of music.
Riotous, disorderly, intemperate or indecent conduct of any student within the precincts shall be punished by interdiction of a residence within the precincts; and repetitions of such offences, by expulsion from the University.
Fighting with weapons which may inflict death, or a challenge to such fight, given or accepted, shall be punished by instant expulsion from the University, not remissible by the Faculty; and it shall be the duty of the Proctor to give information thereof to the civil magistrate, that the parties may be dealt with according to law.Offences cognisable by the laws of the land shall be left to the cognisance of the civil magistrate, if claimed by him, or otherwise to the judgment of the Faculty: all others to that of the Faculty.
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And now the University has forbidden any firearms which means that the ROTC programs had to decommission their firearms.
“”James Madison did not die on July 4th, 1826 as Jefferson and Adams famously did. James Madison died on June 28, 1836.””
I am so glad you posted - I knew it was wrong the minute I read it and yet I couldn’t place who it was who died the same day as Jefferson. Thank you - now I can get on with my day and not be bothered trying to remember who it really was..like getting a song out of one’s mind that refuses to go away!
It doesn’t sound like a gun ban to me. When I was in college there were rules about noise, and they applied to on campus dorms. My sexophonic stereo system all most got me booted off campus, but my gun did not. There were guns all over my dorm. Back then, students regularly went hunting, although not on campus. I don’t recall anyone being concerned about that, but there was most certainly animal rights type of group that had no idea what we were up to. As for self defense use of guns, that never crossed my mind. I suppose if there was a situation that required self defense, like a campus shooter, there would be more than one young man that protected himself and others, but it simply wasn’t something people thought about. I’m willing to bet the same was true at UVA.
Looks like a ban on dueling, plus minor punishment for shooting a gun in your room because of noise nuisance.
It was also a ban on keeping or carrying weapons on campus. The ban paragraph is after the excerpt. It is somewhat duplicative, but people are not perfect.
Good thing I didn’t go to UVa ...
"No Student shall, within the precincts of the University, introduce, keep or use any spirituous or vinous liquors, keep or use weapons or arms of any kind, or gunpowder, keep a servant, horse or dog, appear in school with a stick, or any weapon, nor, while in school, be covered without permission of the Professor, nor use tobacco by smoking or chewing, on pain of any of the minor punishments at the discretion of the Faculty, or of the board of Censors, approved by the Faculty."
Sometimes ya gots to read more than the excerpt.
Thx.
“The school banned discharging fire arms and dueling on campus, so therefore it has to mean that they banned guns on campus totally. And viola!“
Why would they ban Violas? Musical instruments were OK.
Adams dubbed Jefferson "the Sage of Monticello" which is the title of a book about Jefferson by Dumas Malone.
Both men were incredibly well-read compared to just about any of their successors.
Easy to mix up Adams and Madison--both were short.
Luther Martin, one of the Maryland delegates to the Constitutional Convention in 1787 (who refused to sign the Constitution), died 6 days after Jefferson and Adams. He hated Jefferson and was Aaron Burr’s lawyer in 1807 when he was tried for treason.
“Both men were incredibly well-read compared to just about any of their successors.”
Adams and Jefferson would have to look down to see most of their contemporaries. Even with Adams being short physically, his mind placed him far higher than 90% of the rest of the room.
His sense of justice shone through he defended the British soldiers at Boston. He could easily have tanked it, drew his fee and gone home. But he didn’t because his sense of honor wouldn’t let him. Cool dude.
Because I can't spell :-(
Agreed no dueling allowed but playing your Scottish hiland bagpipes in the dorms is not discouraged🤓
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