According to the U.S. Department of Energy, about 2,817 pounds of well-to-wheel CO2 equivalent is produced over the lifetime of the average BEV. The average PHEV, on the other hand, generates 1,884 pounds of well-to-wheel CO2 equivalent from electric operation and 2,939 pounds of CO2 emissions from gasoline operation, for a total of 4,824 pounds of CO2 equivalent. While 70% more CO2 equivalent than a BEV, this is still about 62% less than a conventional gasoline-powered vehicle. Thus, there are considerable CO2 emissions savings with PHEVs, and it shouldn’t be ignored that even HEVs produce 45% lower overall CO2 emissions than conventional gasoline engines. The question is how much CO2 savings is enough? Politicians give us no clear answer while ignoring the environmental impact of their all-BEV push.
Just buy a really long cord.
No ICE maintenance is a YUUUGe part of the EV benefit-
No oil changes
No pricey Catalytic Connverters ( just scrapped a trusty beater-with-a-heater because a replacement CARB compliant Cat was 3 times the value if the car)
the list goes on-
Having both is an expensive redundency lots of EV fans don’t need, and don’t want.
EV is NOT for everyone, in every circumstance. But for lots of folks, it’s a really groovy way to go.
Climate change politics, ia about politics and about control of the economy and of people. Kinda similar to the Covid vaccine mandates and spending associated with that.
The climate changes, and then changes again. NOTHING humans can do will change the fact that the climate is always changing.
We cannot control climate, but we can make our vehicles cleaner, and that doesn’t include going electric all the time.
The people pushing climate change politics and policies, are almost all from the left-side of political spectrum. The majority of people don’t care about the issue, and the only ones that ‘care’ are those that are easily duped into believing the hoax science. If it’s science, why is it that it’s politicians that are shoving it down our throats? Why not have the scientists from all sides of the ‘science’, do a documentary on TV presenting their views and showing us the exact science that backs up the junk science?
When it comes to the type of power that drives vehicles, I will always prefer ICE driven ones. EVs can’t compare in range or price or practicality.
It seems that having two power producers in a car is a huge extra cost, but (1) the cost maybe for quite some time far less than the cost of on-board batteries and (2) there are always applications where a conventional fill-up will make sense.
I believe that in cold weather, rural situations, and where there’s a need for all-day, heavy fuel usage a PHEV will make sense.
I don’t appreciate the “technology” of EV. That is because it is inferior to ICE and much more expensive. If an EV was superior to ICE, it would not require Government subsides and mandates to use. Nobody subsidized or mandate other forms of technology (cell phones, PC/laptops, etc), because people choose to adopt the technology because they perceived benefits that outweigh the costs. Not so with EV.
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Not much discussion of hybrids here yet. Anybody own a hybrid and what are the virtues and drawbacks of the charging modes?
If one is worried about CO2 (and I confess I’m not), agonizing over American auto emissions while ignoring coal-fired power plants in China and India is like focusing on a hangnail while ignoring a patch of melanoma. US CO2 emissions have modestly decreased over the past couple of decades; they’ve more than doubled in China, and went up a good bitl in India as well - both countries continue to build coal-fired power plants at a signiicant rate, with no end in sight.
A plug in hybrids has been a great vehicle for us.
What does it by you, the first two miles before the internal combustion engine has to turn on to recharge the battery?
-PJ
Stop it. The whole thing is a hoax.
No one should give a crap about CO2 levels for two reasons. First, CO2 is a plant nutrient and not a pollutant and second reason is the current CO2 level of 440PPM leaves a whole lot of room for more CO2. A LOT MORE.
Don't make public policy based on a hoax.
PS: The climate is always getting a little hotter Y over Y coming out of an ice age.
School bus catches fire with special needs 'kids inside' as nearby windows smash due to blaze
Zero reporting anywhere I can find on the type of vehicle involved.
Firefighters appear to have used water on the fire, but that may not mean much.
Without exception, that's true amongst my circle of friends and acquaintances.
They have to carry both large batteries AND gasoline. Then the price of battery replacement exceeds the value of the car in about eight years. Add that nobody can repair them, even dealerships.
I had the “solution” years ago.
Interstate travel would be limited to commercial,government and emergency vehicle travel only.
Most of what is now state roads would be converted to autotrains.
Load your 3 cylinder gas car on the train and see the USA.
I debate these figures since the full cycle production of tractive force production for both BEV and IC have almost the very same efficiency from whatever burner tip produces the power be it a boiler, gas turbine or just burning fuel in a gasoline engine.
I don’t think it matters though since we are going hell bent for leather to the BEV good or bad, like it or not.
So it is written, so let it be done. The Pharaohs have declared it.