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Microsoft Did It Again, SFC Urges Developers to Quit GitHub
linuxiac ^ | 4 July 2022 | Bobby Borisov

Posted on 07/06/2022 11:21:21 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Microsoft’s new service for automatically writing AI-based code, Copilot, has sparked outrage in the Open Source community.

“Microsoft loves open source.” So much has been put on this slogan recently, only to change the Open Source community’s perspective toward the Redmond company.

And while Microsoft was no longer demonized as the worst thing that could happen to the Open Source, certain of the Redmond tech giant’s tactics remained regardless of the times.

It must be said unequivocally, now and forever, that Microsoft loves open source! However, with one additional qualification: when it can generate a profit from it.

While this may appear to be perfectly acceptable from a business standpoint, it is quite the opposite regarding moral violations. And Microsoft did it again.

GitHub Copilot Uses Open-Source Code and Strips Credit

GitHub Copilot

As you know, Microsoft acquired GitHub in 2018 for more than seven billion dollars. In reality, GitHub is the world’s largest repository of open-source code.

At the heart of the problem that has blown up the Open Source community in recent days is the GitHub Copilot service. It’s a code writing assistance tool driven by artificial intelligence (AI) that the company just unveiled.

And now we get to the core of the issue. Copilot is powered by natural language text and openly available source code, including code in GitHub public repositories. And, of course, you must have a paid subscription or a special invitation from Microsoft to access Copilot.

To put it another way. You are a developer who has contributed valuable content to various GitHub projects over the years. Of course, everyone is welcome to use it.

Would you be satisfied if your code was used for profit by a closed-source app without giving you credit? In its classic fashion, this is where Microsoft tramples on moral boundaries.

In response to this action, the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC), a non-profit that provides various services to open-source software projects, has stated its intention to leave GitHub and has asked others to do the same.

Today, we take a stronger stance. We are ending all our own uses of GitHub, and announcing a long-term plan to assist FOSS projects to migrate away from GitHub.

After the SFC last week reminded GitHub of its unanswered questions and refusal to participate in public discussions, GitHub responded that it would not participate in any public or private discussion because “a broader conversation seemed unlikely to change your (SFC’s) stance, which is why we (GitHub) have not responded to your detailed questions.”

Without a doubt, an arrogant and rude approach. In other words, “Leave if you don’t like it. We don’t mind.” But what Microsoft’s GitHub fails to realize is that the Open Source community is extremely sensitive to violations of software freedoms. And the snowball that is currently bouncing on top of the mountain could roll and become an avalanche.

The conclusion of all of this is obvious. For Redmond’s tech giant, there have never been and will never be moral borders that are not worth crossing in pursuing profit. So, they’ve done it again. Is anyone surprised?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: code; microsoft; windowspinglist
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To: montag813

Gitlab is kind of a user-interface on top of Github


21 posted on 07/06/2022 11:43:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: ShadowAce

I use GitHub because MBED uses it. You can designate a library to be private. Are they not really private?


22 posted on 07/06/2022 11:45:11 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: ShadowAce; All

You should be able to read without an account, same as Twitter.

Tech CEO Jeffrey Peterson, in the aftermath of the Nov 2020 election steal, put together a worldwide working group to pull the world away from Windows, iOS, Google, Android and other captured Big Tech agents to make computers and internet thrive on open source Linux.

The group is intensely active and charged with passion for freedom.

See if you can peek in. If not, LMK and I’ll send some links that will get you access in less than a minute.


23 posted on 07/06/2022 11:48:08 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: George from New England

FreeBSD

everything is a file


24 posted on 07/06/2022 11:59:10 AM PDT by Bobalu (A dem asked what side I was for in Ukraine, I said "I'm against the commies" -- He got real pissed!)
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To: BushCountry

MS got a code contract with LOTUS 1-2-3 and promptly stole the source code.

MS also made an early version of Word that enabled legal secretaries to use their memorized WordPerfect hotkeys when using MS Word. Word emerged to bury WordPerfect.

MS got a contract with Steve Jobs of Apple to help develop their WYSIWYG Word processing and spreadsheet products. MS stole those also, then emerged “Windows.”

Thieves.

WA State is now a brood of thieves but Marxists are descending on them.

Serves them right.

Hope they eat each other.

Signs show their moment in the Sun is fading.

WA state was once conservative, Scoop Jackson conservative.

But vote fraud is entrenched since year 2000.

Seattle was once a Boeing town with a lot of very talented machinists and engineers. They are now setting up shop in South Carolina.


25 posted on 07/06/2022 12:00:57 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Red Badger

My guess is that Microsoft has been playing nice in order to infiltrate open source, and later control it. Everything gets infiltrated now by the darkness.


26 posted on 07/06/2022 12:01:42 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

My guess is that Microsoft has been playing nice in order to infiltrate open source, and later STEAL it!............................


27 posted on 07/06/2022 12:03:30 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Hostage

Good list. It brought back memories. Disk compression and optimization was another technology they crushed. I think it is safe to add their Media / Video player too.


28 posted on 07/06/2022 12:07:18 PM PDT by BushCountry (Jeffery Toobin is the only person at CNN that keeps his hands to himself.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

> It is open-source code, meaning anyone can use it without need for attribution.

If it’s open-source, there must be a specific license describing it. Each of the open source licenses describe requirements and allowances for licensing, distribution, and attribution. Code with no license is not automatically open source, and open source doesn’t automatically imply “anyone can use it without need for attribution”.


29 posted on 07/06/2022 12:24:11 PM PDT by no-s (Jabonera, urna, jurado, cartucho ... ya sabes cómo va...)
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To: BushCountry

Yup. That’s Gary Kildall’s fault too for being a sucker.


30 posted on 07/06/2022 12:31:03 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: ShadowAce

When Linux takes over there will be Free Fish for everyone


31 posted on 07/06/2022 12:33:54 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Revel

Same with the Bitcoin space by Central Bankmeisters and their lap poodle, the Federal Reserve.

Keep your enemies closer.

Be ready to devour them..

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a smallco CEO get a tingle up their leg when sociopath Bill Gates has his executive goon call them for the purpose of discussing some interesting aspects of their “business”

They get all misty-eyed, heart afluttered; dreams revived of infinite riches flowing towards them.

They know mot how tasty and crunchy they will be.

Bait and Hook.


32 posted on 07/06/2022 12:38:33 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: ShadowAce; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; AppyPappy; arnoldc1; ATOMIC_PUNK; ..
Microsoft Being Microsoft ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

Thanks to ShadowAce for the ping!

33 posted on 07/06/2022 12:46:59 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: ShadowAce

The BSD licenses were completely open source/public domain, but allowed people to make money off of selling it or any changes made to it.

I strongly prefer BSD, and always have. The rest of this is Commie-inspires code.


34 posted on 07/06/2022 12:51:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Bobalu
In 1984 I was standing up a bunch of UNISYS 7000 UNIX systems. There was a version of ZIP available as open source, but it did not function on my OS. It took about 4 hours to redesign the central directory part of the code to be portable to my OS on an AMD29000 bitslice CPU and Xenix running on a 286 at my desk. I returned that updated code to the open source developers and that version of ZIP functioned on a lot more platforms in the following weeks. It was a time when developers shared and contributed to open source to get our work done. I ported the Korn shell to 30 platforms inside my company and shared fixes with David Korn. The company rep for Pyramid wrote the a2ps tool and shared that with me. Very useful for printing to our PostScript printer.
35 posted on 07/06/2022 1:09:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BushCountry
Microsoft stole DOS (without question copied CP/M’s interface at the least) and bought innovative technologies to either destroy or incorporate in their OS. They really are a monster. LOL

MS took more than DOS. In the early 80s I had a source code license for the HDOS 2.0 OS used on Heathkit H8 computers. I wrote lots of specialized devices drivers for that OS. The concept of loadable device drivers was stolen directly from HDOS. Likewise, the concept of "mounting" and "unmounting" a disk was stolen. How do I know? The principal programmer for HDOS was JG Letwin. His initials are all over the HDOS source. MS hired JG Letwin to transform the sloppy purchase from People's Computer Company into MS DOS.

I was also a CP/M programmer in that time frame and wrote a few drivers for that OS too. MS did steal a few concepts from CP/M, but not nearly as many as from HDOS.

36 posted on 07/06/2022 1:15:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Erik Latranyi

True, but then there’s Google’s Chrome which was taken from the open source Chromium, then compiled with spyware and marketed worldwide.

Brave is based on Chromium and enjoys eating Chrome’s lunch.

Early on Gates did indeed steal from others. He stole and rearranged the deck chairs, then marketed under a different name after compliling the source code so no on could track where it came from.

Open source is a buffet of free food. But MS will take and then hog the buffet table, cliosing the eating hall to outsiders, or set up a tent outside with minimal crumbs to feast on.

That’s how they roll.

So yeah, it’s not stealing, it’s bullying or maybe better, it’s morbid obesity eating all the hamburgers and leaving scraps for those that linger around for whatever reason.


37 posted on 07/06/2022 1:24:38 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Myrddin

“I was also a CP/M programmer...”

That’s pretty cool and a good history lesson for me. I think I read that MS copied CP/M API (look and feel) and that is why I thought they stole a lot of the internal code.

Never much of a programmer except for HTML / CSS / Java. More hardware and electronics. But I made some mean batch files in the day. I miss them.


38 posted on 07/06/2022 1:27:07 PM PDT by BushCountry (Jeffery Toobin is the only person at CNN that keeps his hands to himself.)
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To: Hostage
A friend who worked in software support for one of my customers was pretty inventive. She created a web interface to the Microsoft Outlook mail services. Microsoft stole it outright from her, but decided it would be better to actually hire her than have a big court fight. You may have used her invention to read your mail. She stayed with MS for a few years as a senior technical writer/trainer. After a spat with some co-workers, she left for Australia and became an Australian citizen just under the wire age wise.
39 posted on 07/06/2022 1:31:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

In the interface everyday. I am the IT manager for a mid-size company (150 employees) and we use 365. The web interface isn’t too bad (both server and consumer side). But I don’t like MS because I think they crushed innovation on their way up.

Who knows what could have been if everything was open source.


40 posted on 07/06/2022 1:45:50 PM PDT by BushCountry (Jeffery Toobin is the only person at CNN that keeps his hands to himself.)
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