Posted on 04/09/2020 9:49:35 AM PDT by Mariner
Ok.....I have to ask....what is Flubro?
about 2% of the general population but at least 10% of Freepers it appears
Are they actually calling back and retesting all that tested positive and getting a negative test now ? I doubt it, but wouldn't that have to occur to get a true 'recovered' number. Sounds like they are probably only counting discharged hospitalized positives which is a small number of the almost 500,000 tested positive.
Dr Louis P Coates:
“If we test positive for antibodies does that mean I am now immune?
According to a study we talked about earlier in monkeys, they injected three monkeys with the virus and in 28 days gave them the virus again they showed no signs of infection. So according to this data you should likely be considered immune after you recover.
Thanks!
Empathy cannot be a factor when discussing data ... To do so leads to false reporting and faulty reasoning. Sounds hard, I know, but it’s true.
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3101098/0
“1: A total of about 30 that I’ve been involved in the care of over the last 3 weeks, so I’ve probably given HCQ to roughly 23-25 patients off the top of my head
2: Most institutional algorithms recommend HCQ for moderate to severe disease, as does ours. GENERALLY, patients ill enough to get admitted are ill enough to get it. This usually means they have evidence of pneumonia and at least mild oxygen requirements. I had 4 who probably shouldn’t have been admitted and didn’t get HCQ due to either being low risk with mild disease (ie very young without hypoxia) or having a contraindication to HCQ (congenital long QT syndrome). A couple ICU patients came in tubed already in full blown cytokine storm and we went straight to an IL-6 inhibitor. Other than that most are getting it.
3: HCQ/zinc (because it’s our institutional policy, but the zinc is pointless in most patients with normal diets)
4: Anecdotally it seems to make little to no difference. Most patients get better (and probably would have gotten better anyway), a few get worse and end up on remdesivir/siralumab/toci if possible. The ones who didn’t get it (and weren’t intubated from jump street) all did fine but again they had mild disease. Again anecdotal, but for severe disease I’ve had good results with the IL-6 inhibitors. Remdesivir seems to maybe help if given during the period when viral replication and primary pneumocyte destruction is still an active part of the disease process.
Again, none of this is based on the scientific method or objective data. Just merely my perception from a limited sample size.
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Marcus AureliusIn reply to Infection_Ag11 • 7:26p, 4/8/20AG
Agree with this. Similar experience. I don’t think giving it to patients once they are sick enough to be admitted is beneficial. We are doing it however. The unanswered question, so repeatedly mentioned on here, is HCQ within 48 hrs of symptom onset. To limit viral replication. We shall see.
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“He (Rush) gave an update:
2.2 million original death projection in USA
100,000 - 200,000 1st revision
100,000 - 240,000 2nd revision
60,000 current prediction”
I am surprise Rush stated that. I wonder where Rush got his info. Apparently Rush is not watching the White House briefings.
Maybe I misunderstood the White House briefing. The 2.2 million original death projection in USA was if Social Distancing measures was not taken.
If the US practice Social Distancing it would be between 100,00 and 240,000.
President Trump explain why he was taking Social Distancing seriously with the 2M verses 100K to 240K death.
Did I hear the White House briefing correctly?
I know they now predicting the 60000 by Aug because they did not expect all of America to take them seriously.
FluBros are the folks that claim the CCP-19 virus “is just the Flu, Bro”.
They generally post all manner of counter claims and denigrate any actual statistical analysis of the effects of the virus. They alternate between believing it is a bioweapon deliberately deployed by the Deep State as part of a conspiracy to get Trump and a media hoax involving crisis actors. They often promote the idea of just letting the virus run amok. And they seem to value counting their nickels over human lives to a psychopathic degree. Some appear to be largely angry they cannot go out to their favorite bar or that they had their ski trip cancelled. Most of them are involved in TP stampedes from time to time. Some are “proud spreaders”.
Just reread all the old threads and you’ll see I am not kidding.
IMO there is a 50/50 chance that Italy leaving the EU will get Spain to leave too. If both Italy and Spain leave, IMO Poland and Hungary will too.
At that point France will refuse to be Germany's captive market, and the EU will be over.
I am in the camp that believes we need to see what the miracle drug does at onset not when at death’s door
Therefore, I continue to look for things that stop the viral replication
As to the cytokine storm..perhaps monolaurin..melatonin
“I’m not really sure what Rush wants me to do about the discrepancy between the models and reality, because reality is the virus is very dangerous to me if I contract it.”
Great statement. “Discrepancy between the models and reality, because reality is the virus is very dangerous to me if I contract it.”
And add Levine, Hannity, Ingraham and a few others who will no longer be relevant or impactful.
They gained so much being right about about the Russian collusion BS and the FISA stuff.....but went double or nothing and lost big
Infection_Ag111:59pAG
Today I have a patient with bad multifocal pneumonia, on 5-6 L NC and all the inflammatory markers are way up. They have some comorbid conditions and are on 3 chronic QT prolonging medications with a QTC of close to 500. Because of this, and because they are 9 days out from symptom onset, I didn’t mess with HCQ and went straight to toci in an attempt to keep them from getting intubated. We’ll see how it goes overnight as the patient is being monitored in the ICU. Might give another dose tonight if they keep fevering.
I’ve seen that 2.2 million number from multiple people that were modeling this virus assuming no protective measures were taken. The fact that Rush other media flu bros don’t understand and know this reflects badly on them.
“toll would be around 27,000”
Would be nice. What percentage is that?
You could be right, what is projected number of infections?
“The thing that seems lost on the flu bros is the 60,000 projected death toll is because of the measures being taken right now.”
Yes. They will say, if the death toll is close to or under that number, that they were right. Stolen valor, in a sense. Like guys that were anti war protestors in WWII claiming to be veterans.
But I will mock them relentlessly if I see them do so.
Ditto on the self-extubating comments. That’s Chuck Norris level stuff there
LOL!
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