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Pete Rose: Johnny Bench would never have made it to Hall of Fame 'if I wasn't born'
Fox News ^ | June 6, 2019 | Ryan Gaydos

Posted on 06/06/2019 11:38:11 AM PDT by jazusamo

Baseball legend Pete Rose took a shot at his former teammate and Hall of Fame catcher Johnny Bench on Thursday during an appearance on “The Brian Kilmeade Show.”

Rose fired back after Bench refused to budge from his view that the former Cincinnati Reds star should be excluded from the Baseball Hall of Fame for gambling on the sport in 1989.

“It don't bother me but you know Johnny Bench is one guy who should thank God I was born,” Rose told host Brian Kilmeade. “Because he never would have made the Hall of Fame if I wasn't born.”

Kilmeade asked Rose to elaborate.

“Because I'm the guy he knocked in a thousand times. You got you've got guys in front of you guys right behind you and you got to be responsible for everybody else involved,” Rose said, adding that Bench couldn’t understand why he wasn’t as loved as Rose was in Cincinnati.

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TOPICS: Sports; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: attentionwhore; baseball; cheapshot; gambling; halloffame; jackassery; johnnybench; peterose; texasgatortroll
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To: dangus

“So do you blow out a pitcher’s shoulder because you don’t take him out when you should’ve because you want so bad to win THAT PARTICULAR game at all costs? As manager, you think of what’s best for the team, long term. If you have $20,000 riding on a particular game, your judgment can be clouded.”

Yep, that was my father’s argument, with which I still agree.


121 posted on 06/06/2019 1:43:46 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Clutch Martin

>> Pete Rose was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, so he was on base a lot. <<

There’s the problem with your logic. Even in the years Bench was MVP, Rose had on-base percentages of .383 and .386... Not particularly good for a lead-off hitter with very few net stolen bases.


122 posted on 06/06/2019 1:44:01 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Mariner
He’s also one of the top 5 baseball players that ever lived.

Nonsense. During the Big Red Machine Years, Rose was typically the fifth best position player ON THAT TEAM behind Morgan, Bench, Perez, and Foster.

123 posted on 06/06/2019 1:44:36 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: dangus

Imagine if Rod Carew had hit in front of Johnny Bench and George Foster? Carew was a selective hitter. Walked a lot. Hit closer to .400 than .300 many years.


124 posted on 06/06/2019 1:44:41 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: riverdawg

If Thurman Munson had lived longer....

Met him at a KFC in NJ in 1977, my younger brother’s biggest hero.


125 posted on 06/06/2019 1:45:10 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: dangus

what is a NET stolen base?


126 posted on 06/06/2019 1:45:23 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: HIDEK6

Some may need the /s.


127 posted on 06/06/2019 1:46:13 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: dangus
He averaged 56 RBIs and only 8 HRs!

He was a lead off batter. That will damage your RBI rating. He also had more than 30 doubles every year between 1972 and 1980. This was a different era when it wasn't all strikeouts and home runs. And yeah, I have seen singles hitters get pitched around. Rod Carew and Willie Randolph come to mind.

Personally, I think Rose and Bench are both overrated. I would also personally have both in the Hall of Fame, as I see the HoF as a reflection of accomplishments on the field.
128 posted on 06/06/2019 1:46:43 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: jazusamo
IIRC, Pete never bet on a game in which he played. So he could not have influenced the outcome.

Where is the crime?

129 posted on 06/06/2019 1:46:51 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: morphing libertarian

I suspect Total Attempts minus Caught Stealing.


130 posted on 06/06/2019 1:47:09 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: FatherofFive

He bet on games he managed.


131 posted on 06/06/2019 1:47:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: treetopsandroofs; morphing libertarian

Ha, kind of like saying Net Total.


132 posted on 06/06/2019 1:49:07 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: treetopsandroofs

“If Thurman Munson had lived longer....”

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/page/mlbrank_top100catchers/ranking-top-10-catchers-ever

That’s likely why Munson didn’t make this top-ten list. I saw Bench play when he was a minor league player in my hometown in 1966.


133 posted on 06/06/2019 1:49:16 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: jazusamo

Bingo.


134 posted on 06/06/2019 1:49:25 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: dangus
As manager, you think of what’s best for the team, long term. If you have $20,000 riding on a particular game, your judgment can be clouded.

Exactly!

That should put to rest any argument about, "He only bet on his team to win."

If he damaged his team to win today, he just wouldn't bet on them again until they could win games again. Both a good racket and a good way to risk baseball careers.

135 posted on 06/06/2019 1:49:49 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Federal bailouts usually end up supporting socialist mistakes.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

>> He was a lead off batter. That will damage your RBI rating. <<

My point being that no-one in their right mind pitches around a singles hitter. Yes, the fact that he batted first, and after the pitcher, explains why he hit so many RBI. It also means there’s no reason to pitch around him: there’s no-one on base for him to drive in.


136 posted on 06/06/2019 1:51:59 PM PDT by dangus
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To: FatherofFive

Rose admitted to gambling on games every night when he was manager.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498


137 posted on 06/06/2019 1:52:29 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have You Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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To: dangus
Yes, the fact that he batted first, and after the pitcher, explains why he hit so many [few?] RBI. It also means there’s no reason to pitch around him: there’s no-one on base for him to drive in.

This was my original statement:

If Pete Rose played on the Braves or the Cubs of his era, he would not have gotten so many hits, as he would have been pitched around.

If Rose were on the Braves, he wouldn't have BEEN the lead-off batter. (The Cubs actually had some hitters, and not a lot of speed, so he might have been with them). He also wasn't just a singles hitter. He led the league in doubles half-a-dozen times.
138 posted on 06/06/2019 1:57:31 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: GoldenPup

I heard that in my head in Paul Simon’s voice. :-)


139 posted on 06/06/2019 1:57:42 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: morphing libertarian

>> what is a NET stolen base? <<

Net SB = SB - CS. Pete Rose LOST almost as many bases as he stole, from being picked off. Those 49 net stolen bases cost Rose’s team 149 outs! That’s like having a slugging percentage of .247! “Charlie Hustle”’s manager should have nailed his foot to first place!


140 posted on 06/06/2019 1:59:26 PM PDT by dangus
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