Posted on 03/05/2019 3:48:00 AM PST by vannrox
There’s no question there were atrocities committed against settlers who were not to blame. What you ignore however is that the Dakota were given damned good reason to feel aggrieved. The Federal govt and specifically the Alincoln administration broke their word and the treaty they had signed. Afterward they committed numerous atrocities against the Dakota (and even Winnebago who were not involved) while several of the crooked bastards lined their pockets as a result. A lot of the Dakota and Winnebago were every bit as innocent as the settlers were. The real bad guy here is the Federal govt - especially the Lincoln administration.
im sorry, but there is never a good reason to smash babies skulls in front of their mothers before raping and torturing them, as well as dissecting settlers while alive and other atrocities documented as having been committed by the Sioux, Comanche and other tribes. One well known tribe (whos name escapes me now) were outright cannibals, treating the hands and feet of their captured as delicacies. Is there ever a good reason for that? Sorry, but No moral equivalency here. Whatever abuse was eventually bestowed upon the tribes was mainly in retribution for the countless atrocities that were committed upon innocent people.
So go talk to Mr Lincoln about that and quit telling us all about these make believe noble savages. They were not.
And they are all long past at this point.
I grew up in Northern Minnesota and had some Native American friends in high school and college. Most were good people but the ones living in the past weren't among them. They would show up at the pow wows to get drunk and plan where they were going to steal their next car. Get over it and make something of yourself or your children may well be caught in the same ugly spiral of alcohol, crime and sometimes suicide.
Victimhood is like that: it gets you nowhere.
It is sad what was done to many aboriginal groups in America.
“The Chinese executions areSTILL happening...
Christians being killed? “
Most likely Falun Gong followed by organ harvesting.
I’m sorry, but I never said there was a good reason for the atrocities committed against settlers. Can you see that there was no good reason to commit all sorts of atrocities against the Dakotas and Winnebago many of whom were non combatants? The first ones to get the whole thing started were the federal government.
I do.
You got that right. That is one reason not to surrender. If they are going to take your scalp[head] make them earn it.
Hi.
You have been posting some good stuff lately.
For example, I didn’t know about the beer ship.
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Wrong. the first ones to get the whole thing started were the savages, who massacred and tortured innocent civilians. The government just adopted their policies and treated them with the same level of depravity that they treated the settlers. Here is a little exercise for you. Take every purported “massacre” committed against the indians and put it on a timeline. You’ll find that the outrageous brutality of the Indians upon innocent civilians preceded those dates. The US Government was originally ineffective in their response until the demands of the western territories and governorships to stop the Indian violence and raids. Treaties signed by Indian chiefs were regularly ignored by warriors seeking plunder and blood. That is when, for the most part, the US government came to the realization that the Indians were ungovernable and not willing or incapable of assimilation to an agrarian, peaceful society. The response, although not pretty, resulted in their forceful separation from their lands and territories, from which the Indians had used to launch countless raiding parties and settler massacres. As for “non-combatant” indians, are you referring to many of the women in the tribes that played an equal role in torturing captured settlers, soldiers and mexicans, or just the children? Sorry, but war is hell and yes, at some point the Indians got a taste of the savagery that they unleashed. That was on them in my book.
Mark
“What is the point of understanding history?”
The problem with history is that it reflects the perspective of the “historian” and for the last 50 years many historians have been leftists. What’s that “history” worth?
Wrong. The federal government broke the terms of the treaty it had with them. That was the first thing that got it started.
Is this the hisstory of abortion?
And yet the Northern peoples claim to care about black slaves.
Why would they care about black slaves while they are effectively murdering Indians?
Trying to get your preemptive denials in beforehand eh? :)
Put their own home state Indians in concentration camps while claiming to care about black slaves in states other than which they live in?
I'm beginning to think that the Lincoln era was primarily one of corruption from the beginning to the end, and by the time Grant came along, the corruption was so inherent in the Lincoln's legacy government, that it became so obvious as to attract everyone's attention to it.
I think it is prophetic that the Lincoln government began as a bunch of corruption and influence peddling in Chicago Illinois. Still the source of much corruption in this nation's history.
I figured you would be along sooner or later.
Thanks vannrox.
It was well known how corrupt several of them were. Lincoln joked that he had confidence Seward would at least not try to steal a red hot stove......
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