Posted on 11/23/2018 4:12:49 AM PST by marktwain
On Friday afternoon, the 14th of September, Mark Uptain, a hunting guide, and Corey Chubon, a bow hunter, were attacked by grizzly bears as they processed an elk carcass. Chubon had mortally wounded the elk with an arrow, the day before, but they had not recovered it before nightfall.
They came back the next day and followed a good blood trail to the dead elk.
They had nearly finished processing it when they were attacked by the grizzly bears. The attack started with a full out charge. Uptain was hit by the bear first, then Chubon, then the bear went back to Uptain. Chubon fled and survived, getting help.
The investigations have nearly finished, and some questions have been answered. It was known that Mark Uptain's Glock 20 10 mm semi-automatic pistol was with the hunters' packs. People have wondered why the pistol was in a pack, where it did little good for defense from bears. The Glock 20 was the only firearm at the scene of the attack. The pistol was not in a pack. Mark Uptain was wearing the Glock in a chest holster. He deliberately took off the pistol, took off his shirt, and placed both the pistol and his shirt near the two packs.
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“No round in chamber, magazine separated”
That’s “Massachusetts storage,” or, if the anti-gun lobby had their way, “Massachusetts carry”.
(By analogy to “Mexican carry”, which is a quite different thing.)
I soak in the stuff before I go out. Wash my hunting clothes in it too.
I seldom see so much as a bird in the woods, but I haven’t had any bear problems.
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The beauty of a revolver: pull it, aim it, pull the trigger, and BANG!
You mean it is against the law to carry a chambered round in Wyoming? Need a source for this because I have YET to walk the woods of the Big W without a chambered round.
The other part of the "series of ef up" is the guide, RIP, did not keep his weapon on him. Pure stupidity. How long does it take to clean a Clock? Since I do not own a plastic pistol and mine are all metal, I do not seem to have to rush out and clean my weapon after every butchering job. Kind of hard to do from the grave, actually.
Yep
Until bears and other wild animals place locking devices on their claws and teeth I will continue to carry locked and loaded. Anything else is just fooling yourself into a false sense of security. If you are to inept to carry a loaded and ready to fire weapon you have no business even owning a gun.
Of course I use hollow points. That way you can fill up the little holes with more bear spray.
Of course I use hollow points. That way you can fill up the little holes with more bear spray.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Aha! I figured as much. The Native Americans say The bear spray works better if you can get it on the bears touch hole.
Here is my favorite Freeper Bear Story. ( Freeper Kanawa, who lives a coup;le of hours from me.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670661/posts
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I don’t give a #### about hunting. I love meat.
Why let it suffer overnight?
I’d like to put an arrow in them.
And I don’t give a #### what happened to them.
Important Announcement:
In light of the rising frequency of human - grizzly bear conflicts, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert of bears while in the field.
They advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren’t expecting them.
They also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.
It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear dung.
Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like pepper.”
While I’m certainly not going to recommend carrying a 10mm in big bear country I would suggest only doing it with the heaviest of loads for max penetration. Buffalo Bore has a 200 grain flat nose load that gets 32 inches of penetration in ballistic gel. Given equivalent weight bullets the 357 Magnum provides more penetration. Stay away from self defense ammo like some of the flying ashtrays on the shelf now. Those are designed for a totally different situation. I carry a 5 1/2 inch Ruger Black Hawk in 45 Long Colt running Buffalo Bore 300 grain jacketed soft nose rounds. Those run just over 1300 ftps and close to 1200 ft-lbs energy. I’ve hit big boar hogs (300+ lbs) with this round and got complete penetration through both shields. Haven’t had to use it on a bear yet and hope I never do. Let me also add that if I’m in big bear country I will be carrying an appropriate caliber rifle. Plus side for the Ruger is it’s convertible to 45 ACP with just a simple cylinder change.
For a predator the size of a Grizzly Bear, I’d want a full metal jacket bullet vs a hollow point, especially in a pistol. You might be able to get a good head shot, but odds are you’re going to be shooting into the body. There’s a lot of fur, skin and muscle to go through to get to a vulnerable spot. If you read the accounts of the professional hunters in Africa back before WWII, a lot of them relied on steel jacketed bullets on lion where the bullet had to get through the thick chest muscles.
Why do you think it "suffered" overnight?
It bled out, almost certainly dead in less than an hour, with a blood trail as described.
Much less suffering than being torn apart and eaten alive by bears or being run to exhaustion by wolves, and then being torn apart and eaten alive.
Your empathy toward food animals and lack of it for humans, is puzzling.
Nope.
Poor holster choice.
Guide took off an outer shirt for the gory job of butchering. Thus he REMOVED THE GUN and kept it elsewhere (as in out of reach).
He shoulda put it in his hip pocket! Glocks are flat and would fit. 1911s too. It would not be comfortable—but what the hay................
True that but probably beats the hell out of being dead....
This so-called hunting guide is guilty of gross negligence.
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I don’t disagree with you; however, he paid most dearly for it, with his life.
Having been found guilty, while his death sentence was being carried out, I’m sure many terrible thoughts were flashing through his mind - being mauled to death by a grizzly is not a ‘good’ way to go.
That was my thought. They were ringing the dinnerbell.
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/safe-storage-state-by-state/
Explicitly requiring that firearms be stored unloaded with ammo separate is an open goal of America’s enemies in the Giffords Law Center. The globalist left wants us to be as vulnerable to home invasion attacks as these men were to a bear attack.
I’ve heard that for decades about Alaska. This was a bow hunt, so it’s not applicable.
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