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Renters, don't falsify your pit bull as a 'service animal' in Oklahoma
The Oklahoman ^ | May 26, 2018 | Richard Mize

Posted on 05/27/2018 12:40:34 AM PDT by Norski

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To: Vaquero
>Pit bulls are great affectionate animals. Train them to be killers and black labs will do that too.

Is there a "/s" here that I missed?

21 posted on 05/27/2018 7:21:23 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Norski

Why just single out pit bulls, there are thousands upon thousands of bogus service dogs all over the country and the companies that sell fake certificates are well known. It should be a simple matter to deny anyone with a known false certificate, since all service dogs must pass formal training and testing that can’t be done by an internet shyster.


22 posted on 05/27/2018 7:43:39 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: super7man
>Pit bulls are great affectionate animals. Train them to be killers and black labs will do that too.

Is there a "/s" here that I missed?

Doubt it. Five years of dog bite data in my county, german shepherds are number one, followed by huskies and related; pit bulls are lower than Chihuahuas at the number five spot.

23 posted on 05/27/2018 7:46:50 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ridesthemiles
IF insurance companies can refuse to INSURE such dogs-—why do I have to rent to people with such dogs?

Welcome to the ever popular catch 22 of federal laws and the fact that insurance companies have better lobbyists than you do. The immunity that landlords are given under this law are very limited and a pretty complicated HUD system for enforcing 'under control' behavior for companion animals/service dogs.

24 posted on 05/27/2018 7:50:58 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

This is just one of the reasons I sold my rent house and had it moved away. I don’t see how anyone stands the risk of a renter. The neighbor kid rented a little house against my recommendations not to. He just told me the renters are gone but he got stiffed with about $1,700 in water, electric and back rent. This is the second time that has happened to him. First time was his preacher’s kid.

Another guy bought a trailer and fixed it up to rent. I tried to buy it so I could move it off as well before he did the work on it. He scoffed saying he had experience with renters and knew how to manage them. Not. The place became a cesspool in less than four months. I double stacked round bales along the fence and planted Morning Glory along them. I can’t see the place now and they can’t see me either. It took about 300 bales and a lot of work to block them out of my sight.

Rent houses have been a losing proposition for me between repairs and deadbeats. The Morning Glory is growing well and will cover the bales by the end of summer and I’ve offered to bull doze the neighbor kid’s old house for him since it really does not amount to much but a liability and taxes.


25 posted on 05/27/2018 7:51:47 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Norski

Wow. So pitbull owners would lie about their animal’s certification? Who knew...

Guess it’s just an extension of their make-believe world in which pits are harmless if trained properly.


26 posted on 05/27/2018 8:00:20 AM PDT by moovova
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To: FLT-bird

And every rifle is a AR-15... (love this article and accompanying graphics... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steffen-baldwin/the-lies-damn-lies-and-st_b_8112394.html)

Nationally, Chihuahua is the breed most likely to result in a dog bite incident. The one time USPS actually released dog bite data, pit bulls weren’t even in the top ten.


27 posted on 05/27/2018 8:01:50 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

Let’s compare:
1 Pit Bull Bite
1000 Chihuahua Bites

Hmm...

I’ll take the ankle biter any day.
I have personally been bitten by a Dachshund five times. No problem. Your comparison only considers quantity, not quality. It is a logical fallacy.


28 posted on 05/27/2018 9:07:49 AM PDT by FXRP (Just me and the pygmy pony)
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To: kingu

retrievers of all kinds instinctively do not bite hard, they were bred to retrieve birds and bring them back intact. A professional trainer advised me it is extremely difficult to train a retriever for protection, usually the best they can do is alert, bark and look tough. When someone steps on their tail they usually react by turning to bite but do not bite down.


29 posted on 05/27/2018 11:31:15 AM PDT by rolling_stone (Hang em high)
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To: BBell

Thank you for the picture. This reminds me of the airline passenger who was mauled by a “service pit bull” on an airplane in January. I do not remember if it was United or Delta.


30 posted on 06/01/2018 1:19:25 AM PDT by Norski
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To: moovova

I was asked to add the information here to various other posts and persons. I thought you might find it helpful.

THE PIT BULL LOBBY

Excerpt from Pit Bulls – Five Part Series , La Presse, Montreal
Investigative report on the Montreal pit bull ban and the influence of the pit bull lobby
By Marie-Claude Malboeuf, August 13, 2017

English translation: plus.lapresse.ca
French: Qui Veut Sauver Les Pitbulls
Also see: http://blog.dogsbite.org/2016/10/montreal-pit-bull-ban-veterinary-report-pit-bull-lobby.html

WHO IS PULLING THE STRINGS? The US pet industry is worth 16 billion dollars. Without pit bulls to sell, to rescue, to rehabilitate, to care for and to feed, a lot of people would see their revenues plunge, denounced Jeffrey Borchardt, who lost his baby when he was torn from the arms of his babysitter by two pit bulls. Since this tragedy, the American DJ and other victims have worked to expose the gears of the powerful pit bull promotion lobby. Who pulls the strings? Portrait of a tightly woven network.

Level one: Financing source
ANIMAL FARM FOUNDATION
Run by an American millionaire, Animal Farm Foundation has for its motto: “Equality for pit bulls.” The pressure group devotes itself entirely to combatting against any regulation targeting its dogs. After inheriting a fortune from her father, Jane Berkey, who also owns a literary agency, turned over at least $6 million to her group, $2.85 million in 2013, according to government records. She pays 9 employees (one of whom, the director, makes more than $100,000 a year) and finances numerous groups that share her philosophy.

Level two: The researchers
NATIONAL CANINE RESEARCH COUNCIL (NCRC)
To produce studies, AFF bought a private research body in 2007. The acquisition was kept secret until the victims’ group Dogsbite discovered this during litigation. The National Canine Research Council (NCRC) was created by a veterinary technician, Karen Delise. Neither an academic researcher nor a veterinarian, she self proclaims as the “greatest national expert on deaths caused by dog bites.” An “action fund” permits the organization to engage in lobbying, according to a government registration. The NCRC is linked to several advisors and consultants. This is the case for Gary Patronek, the veterinarian who co-signs (NCRC) studies, and in the case of the Page ~ 16 former chief animal control officer of Calgary, Bill Bruce, who was still employed in that civil service job at the time he accepted his association with NCRC. The agency already had consultant Glen Bui on board, whose heavy criminal record can be found online (illegal weapon possession, obstruction of justice, domestic violence and harassment). Still, thanks to millions from Animal Farm, the NCRC finances like-minded researchers—notably on the issue of identification of pit bulls, information available on their website.

Level 3: Publication
JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAVMA)
The American Veterinary Medical Association publishes NCRC studies in its journal. On its own website it proposes sample letters [for readers to write] contesting any law aimed at pit bulls. Moreover, its site has a link to AFF. The Association added the following introduction to a famous 2000 study: “In contrast to what has been reported in the news media, the data contained within this report CANNOT be used to infer any breed-specific risk for dog bite fatalities. [To reach that conclusion] it would be necessary to know the numbers of each breed currently residing in the United States. Such information is not available.” Even if they are opposed to a breed ban, for practical reasons amongst others, the authors of the study—seasoned in the ministry for Health and government institutions—nevertheless concluded: “In spite of potential bias and the lack of data on the canine population, pit bulls seem to be implicated in 42% of fatal tragedies. We do not believe that in the United States, the proportion of pit bulls amongst the dog population even comes near to approaching 42%. We therefore believe that the disproportion of deaths associated with pit bulls is real and escalating.”

Level 4: The political lobby
BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY
The studies of the AFF network allow [lobby] groups to put pressure on politicians. They propose regulations [they favor] and try to overturn those they dislike. Sometimes with success. The central facts about Best Friends Animal Society are that it manages $60 million and has for its motto: “Save them all,” for it is opposed to all euthanizing of animals. Its senior advocate, Ledy VanKavage sits on the board of AFF. The website of Best Friends Animal Society indicates that she paid an ex-economist from the tobacco Page ~ 17 industry, John Dunham, to create a fiscal calculation scheme designed to advise governments on the cost of breed banning. [Dunham’s] calculations were attacked in the Texas Tribune in 2011. The following year, before a referendum on pit bulls in Miami-Dade, a government committee discovered that the real costs incurred in targeting dogs was 65 times lower than those claimed by Dunham. “With all its money, the lobby [can afford to] finance lawyers and harass elected officials. And if it doesn’t get what it wants, it threatens to finance the campaign of their political opponents!” denounces Angela Provo, whose son Beau Rutledge was killed by a family pit bull.

Level 5: The distributors
THE ANIMAL CARE INDUSTRY
All the lobby studies are abundantly distributed by animal-based companies like shelters, breeders, trainers, etc. In Montreal, they are [distributed] by, amongst others, the SPCA, whose mission is to avoid euthanizing dogs and whose two most senior executives are themselves owners of pit bulls. On social media, pit bull owners deploy these studies relentlessly and accuse all their opponents of ignorance. Certain more aggressive ones have even threatened the mayor of Quebec City with death. Unfortunately, some militant activists have come to a tragic end, killed by their own fighting dogs—notably Darla Napora, at the time 8 months pregnant (California, 2011) and Rebecca Carey (Georgia, 2012)


31 posted on 06/02/2018 2:13:21 AM PDT by Norski
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