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FR poll: The right to keep and bear what kind of weapons are protected by the 2nd Amendment?
Me | 02/19/18 | Simon Green

Posted on 02/19/2018 9:26:27 AM PST by Simon Green

I'll keep things simple for the purposes of this poll. If it were up to you, what sorts of weapons would a law-abiding American be able to purchase with little or no paperwork?

1. Absolutely anything.
2. Anything short of WMDs (nuclear, chemical, biological).
3. Anything capable of being wielded by a single person (up to and including grenades, rocket launchers, MANPADs, etc), but none of the above.
4. Any firearm including full auto, SBRs, silenced weapons, but none of the above.
5. The current status quo at the federal level, but none of the above.
6. The current status quo, but ban "assault" weapons and "high capacity" magazines.
7. Even more restrictive (please explain).


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To: Simon Green

Number 4 would work for me, even though I will personally restrict myself to #5 for financial reasons.


41 posted on 02/19/2018 10:02:48 AM PST by redfreedom
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To: Simon Green

Anything the government has plus one. If you have a nuclear warhead, point it at Washington DC. That is the proper relationship of citizen to government.


42 posted on 02/19/2018 10:03:17 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: taxcontrol

The fighting ships during the Revolutionary War were private ships (”Privateers”). With cannon and a fighting crew. No different than a B-52 today in many regards. I suppose one might be able to make a case against WMD’s, but not sure how.

The role of the 2nd Amendment was for self defense - both personal, community, and national. So today, to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government that would be willing and able to deploy WMD against the citizens, then I think if that’s what it would take to fight back would be okay. I have to admit though, I don’t like the idea of the next-door neighbor having a shed full of Sarin gas or something. I guess that might be where the states’ National Guard comes in?


43 posted on 02/19/2018 10:04:24 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

#1 - Letters of Marques and Reprisals, spelled out in the CONUS, makes it clear what the intent was.


44 posted on 02/19/2018 10:08:06 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: Simon Green
If anyone ever bothered to read the entire Constitution, they would soon come to Article I, Section 8, Clause 11, which authorizes Congress to issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal.

These were essentially licenses issued to private parties to attack and capture property, usually ships, belonging to enemies of the issuing authority.

It seems very clear that this section contemplates private ownership of armed vessels capable of taking on other armed vessels belonging to enemies of the United States.

The 2A does not wipe out this clause -- it supplements it in limiting powers of government.

My belief is that this clause makes ownership of any weapon which is currently carried by any vessel of any nation legal for a US citizen. It may even make ownership of any weapon which is superior to weapons carried by ships of other nations legal.

Now there are a lot of people, some with fine legal minds, who will disagree. But if you read the simple black words written on the white paper this is what they mean. Now one can do all sorts of mental and legal gymnastics and tie oneself into a knot to try to make them mean something sees, but this is the plain and simple meaning of the original words.

45 posted on 02/19/2018 10:09:19 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: PapaBear3625

#1.
tannerite isn’t illegal so maybe don’t need c4.
some places - flamethrowers\miniguns\grenade launchers\machine guns are legal.


46 posted on 02/19/2018 10:10:05 AM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: Simon Green

Shall not be infringed is very clear.
Any weapon.
In 1789 citizens had cannons, the artillery of the day.


47 posted on 02/19/2018 10:13:01 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Simon Green

Because the 2nd Amendment specifically recognizes the right of individuals (the people) to keep and bear weapons of military utility, a well regulated [trained] militia being necessary for the security of a free state, it must be 3.


48 posted on 02/19/2018 10:16:27 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: PapaBear3625
Then again, there's nothing really stopping them now, except legalities.

And if they have evil intent, legalities won't stop them either. That's the point.

We could wish that the genie of WMD could be put back in the bottle, but I think the real issue is whether the Government has the right to restrict us (rather than the other way around) and I think they do not.

Is there a compromise? I think the compromise is inherent in the basic contract under which we formed this nation, the US Constitution. I think there should be no restrictions, but there should be no subsidy. That will take care of most of it.

But not all of it. I am sure if there were no restrictions, George Soros would fund someone to create WMDs - and use them. So lack of money alone will not stop them (again, regardless of legalities). So the hard question is: Are you (or me, or anyone who 'votes' on this list that there should not be restrictions) willing to face the threat of WMDs in private hands motivated by 'evil' in the form of socialism as a "price" to ensure that the government cannot tyrannically force socialism on us?

I am.
49 posted on 02/19/2018 10:16:41 AM PST by Phlyer
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To: GregoTX

Scalia had it wrong. “Bear” did not mean “hold in your hands and carry”. “Bearing” an arm means to be able to have it with you at all times, to use it. Period. Just because Scalia got a lot of things right, doesn’t mean he got everything right.


50 posted on 02/19/2018 10:21:06 AM PST by Pecos (Better the one you have with you than the one you left at home.)
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To: Simon Green

#1
If you can afford it, buy it.


51 posted on 02/19/2018 10:25:32 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: Simon Green

Since, as Jefferson wrote in our Declaration of Independence, that government derives it’s just power from the consent of the governed, how could the government have any arm or weapon the citizens don’t have the power to give them?

If this is true, the citizens have the power to have any weapon the government needs. If the citizens don’t have that power, they can’t delegate it to the government.

I vote #1.


52 posted on 02/19/2018 10:25:53 AM PST by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: Simon Green
Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist #8:

...if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

The answer to the poll is that the second amendment expected the people to have available the same arms that the standing army had.

-PJ

53 posted on 02/19/2018 10:26:27 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Reno89519

I must have at least 50 links to articles on the subject, but I didn’t keep that one. I think it was a law professor several years ago discussing the issue in a forum in Colorado. In his opinion that was the best legal thought about what was covered by the 2nd amendment. I now ask myself, “If you remember the statement so well, then why didn’t you retain the link?”.


54 posted on 02/19/2018 10:30:22 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Simon Green

Any weapon that when possessed or used can be controlled by the user and doesn’t indiscriminately threaten and violate the rights/lives of others which pretty much covers all military type firearms including machine guns are covered. You can argue that even a tank’s power can be controlled.

WMD type weapons where the power of the weapon can’t be controlled and its use or mere existence in an unsecured environment threatens the rights of innocent people becomes a different issue.


55 posted on 02/19/2018 10:41:52 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Simon Green

1.

With no paperwork beyond sales slips.


56 posted on 02/19/2018 10:45:46 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: jospehm20
I concur....the purpose of the 2A was so the citizenry would be armed to where it could stop an oppressive government or otherwise.
57 posted on 02/19/2018 10:48:12 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Simon Green

#1

Our forefathers owned cannon and Gatling guns with the governments blessing.


58 posted on 02/19/2018 10:54:19 AM PST by jdietz (I may be old but my aim is still good!)
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To: Simon Green

#4 with a bit of #3 on the side.


59 posted on 02/19/2018 11:01:12 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: jdietz

The Tiffany family (owners of NYC’s Tiffany’s) bought a Colt Machine Gun a donated it to the Rough Riders.


60 posted on 02/19/2018 11:03:24 AM PST by Reily
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