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Net neutrality is dead
https://nypost.com ^ | 12/14/2017 | Reuters

Posted on 12/14/2017 10:54:49 AM PST by heterosupremacist

WASHINGTON — The US Federal Communications Commission voted along party lines Thursday to repeal landmark 2015 rules aimed at ensuring a free and open internet, setting up a court fight over a move that could recast the digital landscape.

The approval of FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s proposal marks a victory for internet service providers like AT&T Inc., Comcast Corp. and Verizon Communications Inc. and hands them power over what content consumers can access.

Democrats, Hollywood and companies like Google parent Alphabet Inc. and Facebook Inc. had urged Pai, a Republican appointed by President Donald Trump, to keep the Obama-era rules barring service providers from blocking, slowing access to or charging more for certain content.

Consumer advocates and trade groups representing content providers have planned a legal challenge aimed at preserving those rules...

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ajitpai; fcc; netneutrality
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To: heterosupremacist

“a victory for internet service providers like AT&T Inc., Comcast Corp. and Verizon Communications Inc. ... Democrats, Hollywood and companies like Google parent Alphabet Inc. and Facebook Inc. had urged Pai, .. to keep the Obama-era rules”

While I have no reason to be partial to AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon in general, as between them and Trump and Pai on the one hand and Google, Facebook, Dims, and Obummer on the other, I have a really good feeling about seeing Obummer’s net takeover rules thrown out.


101 posted on 12/14/2017 1:58:15 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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To: pierrem15
Heh, that problem didn’t go away with Net Neutrality, did it?

So please rethink your argument.

102 posted on 12/14/2017 2:00:21 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Max Tactical
It’s the same everywhere in GA. Everywhere I know, as a matter of fact.

Where I am companies offer line of sight internet. Towns that care can offer free WiFi, which is likely to free us from wires entirely. AT&T has a method to lay WiFi out over their electric wires so something sill pop now that competition will be allowed.

103 posted on 12/14/2017 2:10:49 PM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: Max Tactical

You left out the part that they are regulated by the EU.


104 posted on 12/14/2017 2:25:16 PM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: JerseyDvl

“AT&T and Comcast have blocked and slowed their basic internet service.”

One of our former neighbors was a tight end for a major university and an officer in the 10th Mountain Division before getting married and “settling” down.

About 10 years ago, he and I talked about how slow our AT&T internet was from 3 pm to about midnite and the whole weekend.

We figured it was just slow due to kids at home from school, and people like him and I with offices in our home. We were half right.

I got a call from him one afternoon to go up to his home, as he had an AT&T repair guy with some interesting news. So I went to his home and fairly good size Black and polite AT&T guy was there and very nervous.

When I got there, my neighbor tossed a small metal disc with some holes in it on the kitchen table. He told the AT&T man to tell me what it was. It was apparently a filter to slow down our AT&T DSL service as if it needed to be slowed down.

I asked the AT&T guy if my home had one, and he said yes.

Then my neighbor told the AT&T guy to walk down to my house, about 200 yards away and to remove my filter. Then, the AT&T guy could go back to his home and get his truck.

On the way to our home, the AT&T guy asked if I know who my neighbor really was. I told him about him playing football, they had played against each other. Then, he commented about his military experience and said, “Don’t ever po your neighbor!”

The AT&T guy opened my cable/phone box and removed my filter and gave it to me.

Then, he asked me if I would walk back up neighbor’s home so he could get back into his truck to leave. I brought him inside to my office and he put some coupling cables on the modem and told me to fire it up. I did and from then on the speed was not as bad.

I walked the guy back to my neighbor’s home, and the neighbor wanted to know what happened. I told him and the AT&T guy said goodbye and left.

Shortly, after that I went to Comcast. Their internet was faster, still slowed down after 4 pm and on weekends.

This year I cut my Comcast tv cable and went to Comcast Business for a faster internet and to save over $100/month.

The Comcast Business installer told me that basically everyone on our cul de sac was on Comcast and it would slow down. That our Comcast Business Internet should not be impacted. It is very fast and seldom do I see the little blue circle showing trying to connect. It does a good job streaming tv shows 99% of the time.


105 posted on 12/14/2017 2:34:55 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Build Kate's wall! Keep illegals and illegal murderers/criminals out of America! MAGA! SLAP ACT!!)
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To: Poison Pill
Wrong several small guys already started their own isps but this probably was before soros’ net neutrality .And anyone can now that Net neutrality is repealed. I'll start my own isp just to spite you and soros now that the Internet is free anything is possible.

The most expensive thing about starting an ISP and any business is hiring lawyers to deal with the massive red tape and government regulations that you view as a savior to you. It boggles my mind that anyone can have faith in soros, corrupt politicians, corrupt unaccountable bureaucrats
government etc.

It boggles my mind that you and millenials believe that these corrupt cretins as in Lois Lerner of the IRS or the global warming idiot at NASA or the zombies running the government schools can be at the cutting edge of technology advancing a technology that private companies are accelerating every day when these corrupt government nincompoops wouldn't be able to run a lemonade stand much less orchestrate the free market that has been increasing technology at an ever accelerating rate.

No you and soros and liberal melenials want these government goons to ruin the internet. how could any one that is sane or has one brain cell think otherwise that these stooges could run the cutting edge of technology? are you insane?

don't know why you are on a conservative forum . you seem to believe all the media and government fake news and then you believe that government agencies can actually make the internet cheaper for you and more efficient. These are examples of small guys starting their own isp :

Homebrew ISP Pioneers

Löwenstedt, Germany (BBNG)

Tiny isolated village with a population of 640.
Built a 2km high speed network
925 subscribers pledged a minimum of $1,345 (€1000) each.
Total Cost: $1,077,476 (€800k)
The network is then leased for profit.

Red Hook, Brooklyn (Brooklyn Fiber)

Two brothers were fed up with major ISPs and built a network on a grocery store rooftop.
100 commercial accounts and some residential.
When hurricane Sandy hit, Brooklyn Fiber was back up and running before cell phone coverage was restored.
Offer strengths up to 1 GB dedicated throughout.

Lancashire, England (Broadband for Rural North – B4RK)

Despite rurality, high speed broadband is essential for any business including farming.
For example, form filling online and internet banking
Asked landowners to lay network through their land to avoid cost of digging up roads.
Raised $853,710 (£500k) from shareholders.
Dug 180km of trenches.
Subscription is $50 per month.
Offers 1 GB connection (better than many cities).

Central Illinois Regional Broadband

Not for profit organization which operates regional broadband.
Laid 103 miles of fiber optic cables.
Received $18 Million in Federal Grants plus state and private funding.
Set up because the alternative offered absurd fees and impersonal service.

In the US there are over 400 publicly or partially public owned telecom networks. For example:

Monmouth Independence Networks, cooperative, not for profit, local ISP providing high speed broadband in Oregon.
Greenlight Dunnellon Communications serves the tiny population of 1,746 living in Dunnellon, Florida.
A 2010 bank loan funded the building with 100 miles of fiber in the area providing fast broadband and increased economic opportunity.
Athens, Greece (Wireless Metropolitan Network)
Despite having a mainstream network, Athenians opted to create their own mesh network as it is faster and more community oriented.
30 times faster than the mainstream network.
More than 1,000 users.

It is now recognized that high-speed connectivity is essential for a community’s economy, health care and social cohesion. It takes a little technical knowhow, and a lot of community solidarity, but building your own network is possible.
Sources

German Villagers Build Own Broadband Network – thelocal.de
High Speed Internet Service for Red Hook, Brooklyn Businesses – bkfiber.com
Community Network Map – muninetworks.org
About Us – axcessontario.com
MInet Fiber – minetfiber.com
wilsonnc.org
Rural Towns Frustrated By Big Telecom Are Just Building Their Own Internet – huffingtonpost.com
Greenlight FL – muninetworks.org
How to Keep the NSA Out of Your Computer – motherjones.com
Build Your Own Internet with Mobile Mesh Networking – technologyreview.com
What Is Bandwidth Throttling? – wisegeek.com
How to Start Your Own ISP – techradar.com
New Micro-Trenching Method Makes It Easier and Cheaper to Deploy Fiber – teliasonera.com
Community Connect Grants – rurdev.usda.gov
Farm Bill Broadband Loans & Loan Guarantees – rurdev.usda.gov
Broadband Delivery UK – gov.uk
bbwexchange.com
How to Boost Rural Broadband Speeds – techradar.com

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/blog/2015/03/09/start-your-own-isp/

106 posted on 12/14/2017 2:39:18 PM PST by Democrat_media (Mueller doing coup vs Trump. Obama was adding 97,000 pages of government regulations /year)
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To: Mr. K

Net Neutrality would have made the internet ‘neutral’ the same way the Affordable Care Act made health care ‘affordable’.

I checked out hash tag "Net Neutrality". The propaganda behind this has been very effective, not a lot of pro liberty posts, so I decided to make one myself!

107 posted on 12/14/2017 2:49:38 PM PST by Nateman (The louder the left screams , the better it is for America!)
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To: Max Tactical
Here is a list of ten satelite ISPs.
http://www.toptenreviews.com/services/internet/best-satellite-internet-providers/

But I guess you'd rather soros, Obama, Lois lerner and stooges like those at the DMV save you as they would be able to accelerate the cutting edge of technology better than the free market has up to this point? hah those corrupt government marxist stooges couldn't run a lemonade stand !

Now that Trump made the Internet free from soros regulations there will be even more options and freedom and more acceleration of technology

108 posted on 12/14/2017 2:55:02 PM PST by Democrat_media (Mueller doing coup vs Trump. Obama was adding 97,000 pages of government regulations /year)
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To: heterosupremacist

For those of you who say you only have one or two sources of internet, look harder.

Nearly everywhere has both a phone company and a cable company. Both types offer internet access.

Look to your cell phone company. Depending on where you live, your cell provider may offer home based internet.

Satellite internet blows chunks, but it is available in most places.

Here in the Albuquerque area we have New Mexico WiMaxx which is internet over radio signals to your home or business. I have the 10MB plan for $40 a month here at the office. It carries our 2 VOIP lines just fine and our internet access. We stream a lot of music and watch movies quite a bit. Works fine.

Point is, while the super fast (super expensive) internet may be have limited options, depending on your needs, there may be cheaper options for your access.

Check out...

https://www.inmyarea.com/high-speed?gclid=Cj0KCQiA38jRBRCQARIsACEqIetOlbmIkQXgEWKIXkkcgjoscXnLzg0zvsQqdHFsyd4GU1QoK17OzmgaAnKKEALw_wcB


109 posted on 12/14/2017 3:02:57 PM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: ConservativeMind; mewzilla
Throttling other content was illegal with Net Neutrality: it will exist now.

ComCast and AT&T will prioritize their content on their networks and degrade every other provider's unless you pay a fee to "upgrade" your service just to get back to your prior level of service.

No increase in service, just an increase in cost.

110 posted on 12/14/2017 3:03:07 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: pierrem15; mewzilla

All the services throttle now, but throttle equally across all pricing tiers.


111 posted on 12/14/2017 3:13:05 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: itsahoot
AT&T uses their routers in your home to provide that “free WiFi” across town.

Same with Comcast and others. They don’t bill you for it, but it is traffic that competes with your own at your house.

112 posted on 12/14/2017 3:15:42 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Democrat_media
You lost me at NASA and the zombies.

Good luck with the ISP.

113 posted on 12/14/2017 3:43:45 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
Google this corrupt idiot Hansen at NASA . he was a great “global warming” expert getting 6 figures at NASA. Why is NASA doing global warming research since their mission is space exploration hmmmm?

Well my point is there are a lot of little guys that started isps and there are a lot of satellite isps and phone companies like t-mobile etc. a lot of choices even now but more to come now that soros net neutrality is dead.

Maybe you should write to Lois Lerner and tell her you post on Freerepublic as you remember she oppressed conservative groups with the IRS. see government corrupt idiots are completely unaccountable . whey isn't Lois Lerner in Jail .google her oppressing conservatives.

That you think that corrupt government bureaucrats and politicians can advance the cutting edge of technology faster than the free market is now boggles my mind. Government bureaucrats and i've seen these stooges at work don't know a hole in the ground form their you know what take my word for it and you want them to run the cutting edge of technology ? answer me why do you trust them and politicians?

118 posted on 12/14/2017 4:34:27 PM PST by Democrat_media (Mueller doing coup vs Trump. Obama was adding 97,000 pages of government regulations /year)
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To: Max Tactical

Lots of satellite isps and cell phone companies provide internet service hotspots etc.

More choices and lower prices to come now that Trump repealed Soros and Obama’s net neutrality .

I”m so happy MAGA!


119 posted on 12/14/2017 4:40:13 PM PST by Democrat_media (Mueller doing coup vs Trump. Obama was adding 97,000 pages of government regulations /year)
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To: Democrat_media

Satellite is not true competition with Fios or cable, the data caps are way lower in the 20-30 gigabyte range rather than terabyte range, now some other wireless services are true unlimited those are real competition.


120 posted on 12/14/2017 6:48:21 PM PST by wattojawa (Scott Wagner 2018 --- PA's Trump)
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