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July 1857
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Posted on 07/01/2017 6:20:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The Dead Wabbits Club.


21 posted on 07/05/2017 11:22:42 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The Dead Wabbits Club.

What was all the ruckus about anyway?

22 posted on 07/05/2017 11:23:27 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from July 5 (reply #19).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

23 posted on 07/07/2017 7:14:43 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The Time of Troubles for New York City in 1857 gives some backstory perspective on the draft riots to come less than 10 years from now.


24 posted on 07/07/2017 7:50:11 AM PDT by henkster (Ask your favorite liberal to take the "Snowflake Challenge.")
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To: henkster; Homer_J_Simpson
Interesting take on the well to do New Yorker perspective on the Irish.

In contrast to the draft rioters, the Irish Brigade will be one of the toughest units in the Union Army.

25 posted on 07/07/2017 10:13:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: henkster; Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker

A very WASPy entry from Mr. Strong ;-).

I don’t think we need to worry about rioting for quite some time. This outbreak of violence regarding the police will will exhaust all the ruffians for quite a while. They’ll be happy to spend their off-work hours drinking beer.


26 posted on 07/07/2017 5:23:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The Golden Rule. Just that.)
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Continued from June 6 (reply #10).

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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

27 posted on 07/14/2017 6:36:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from July 7 (reply #23).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

28 posted on 07/14/2017 6:41:03 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
George Borrow, 103-1881, was an English traveler, travel writer, and translator. Wikipedia notes: The Romany Rye (1857) puzzled many readers, who were not sure how much was fact and how much fiction (a question debated to this day).
29 posted on 07/14/2017 7:08:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liu Xiaobo, Leader of China, R.I.P. Down with the CCP!)
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To: Tax-chick

That was “1803”.


30 posted on 07/14/2017 7:09:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liu Xiaobo, Leader of China, R.I.P. Down with the CCP!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

A little more on the Lecompton Constitution:

http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/207409

There were four different Constitutions proposed in Kansas during this period: Topeka, Wyandotte, Lecompton and Leavanworth.

https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/kansas-constitutions/16532


31 posted on 07/14/2017 10:59:25 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Beethoven would have interpreted it into music worse than the allegretto of the Seventh Symphony.

The following has absolutely nothing to do with the Civil War, but as a musicology instructor I have to comment, because in an odd way it relates to President Trump.

The allegretto is the second movement of the symphony. It is, among people who listen to classical music, generally considered one of the most beautiful symphonic pieces ever composed. (See more on this here.) But among the classical music intelligentsia, it is considered one of the most boorish symphonic pieces ever composed.

I remember reading the review of the first time the symphony was ever played in London (the review was in the magazine Atheneum, but I can't find it online), which I read when I was researching in music college. The reviewer disliked the symphony in general, but I distinctly remember how he sniffed that the allegretto was actually played twice "for the benefit of the dilettanti." The writer in the above quote evidently thought the same way.

This is the way Trump is experienced today: those who are fond of America consider him the best political leader of our era, while those who are political intelligentsia consider him the most boorish political leader of our era.

32 posted on 07/14/2017 1:19:32 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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I always tried to liven things up when we played Beethoven.

When our section had several measures of rest, I would jump up and start singing Scat.

“Shing-a-slang lobby lobba wheelie wheelie sha boom!”

Livened things up.....and then the Conductor fired me.

Jazz hater.


33 posted on 07/14/2017 1:32:32 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Our Celtic fellow citizens are almost as remote from us in temperament and constitution as the Chinese.

A common belief of the time, and very wrong. The writer, not being able to see the future of course, does not know two things. First, without the "Celtic fellow citizens" there would not have been enough cannon fodder in the Union Army to win the war. It was a common practice for the Army to have a recruitment table where the Irishmen came off the ships to America, and many were enlisted into the Army there. My own gggrandfather, James McGinley, came to the US three years after this in 1860, and immediately enlisted as a private.

Second, within a generation, the Irish had gone from good-Lord-how-did-they-ever-get-in-this-country! to being considered highly patriotic, hard-working, and maybe a bit weird but just as American as the rest of us--unlike, say, the Italians, about whom the general attitude was, well, good-Lord-how-did-they-ever-get-in-this-country!, including my own ggrandfather James DiLisi, who came in the early 1880s.

When we finally get control of the illegal immigration and return to the ideals of Emma Lazarus' The New Colossus, we'll see the same evolution happen among Latinos--indeed, among those who are legal we are seeing it already.

34 posted on 07/14/2017 1:42:35 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: blueunicorn6
Livened things up.....and then the Conductor fired me.

I fully understand both of these :-)

35 posted on 07/14/2017 1:43:22 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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I remember well the day I first discovered the 7th Symphony. I was just sticking my toe into the classical music pond and on an impulse picked up a box set of Herbert von Karajan and the Berliners doing the Beethoven symphonies. I came to #7 without expectations and it really grabbed me. It became the piece I had to hear on a daily basis for a while. The 1st movement got my full attention but it was the 2nd that hooked me for good. It turns out I was in line with popular opinion. According to the liner notes of that recording (that I just dug up after 20 some years) "it was the second movement, the elegiac Allegretto, which struck the most responsive chord in the minds and imaginations of the audience. It was encored and demanded da capo wherever and whenever it was played. In Paris it was used to sustain the (then ailing) Second Symphony; andd it was even inserted into the Eighth, ousting the popular Allegretto scherzando."

Another interesting note on the Seventh Symphony: "When [Karl Maria von] Weber heard the chromatic bass line in the coda of the first movement [around 11:30 of the recording linked below], he declared the composer ripe for the madhouse." George Templeton Strong would probably agree. The Allegretto begins at 12:41.

Beethoven "Symphony No 7" Karajan

36 posted on 07/14/2017 3:56:37 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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[Continued from July 14 (reply #28).]

July 16. Stagnated at home in the evening till half-past ten, when an alarm of fire started me out and I chased the conflagration up Lexington beyond the bounds of civilization into desert places where Irish shanties began to prevail, and the region being lonely and suspicious and the fire still a dozen streets beyond and nearly out beside, I came back perspiring. It was a varnish factory in the latitude of Fifty-fifth Street.

Coroner’s inquest in progress over the unlucky German, Miller or Muller, the “opfer” of the 17th Ward riot. Evidence hopelessly conflicting; impossible to form an opinion whether he was killed by the police or by one of his own party. Teutonia is watching the case with much interest, and some say that if the verdict be not against the police, there will be a grand insurrection and a provisional government proclaimed in Tompkins Square.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

37 posted on 07/16/2017 8:31:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Teutonia is watching the case with much interest, and some say that if the verdict be not against the police, there will be a grand insurrection...

It's a good thing nothing like that happens today.

38 posted on 07/16/2017 5:53:52 PM PDT by henkster (Ask your favorite liberal to take the "Snowflake Challenge.")
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It's a good thing nothing like that happens today.

But who, today, would know what Mr. Strong means by Teutonia? Other than ourselves.

That said, I take comfort in knowing that things that always been as they are, while each generation believes things have never been worse.

39 posted on 07/17/2017 2:35:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I know what I'm about.)
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To: Tax-chick
Strong was in the middle of the great German emigration to the U.S., which would continue for a few years after the Civil War. German was widely spoken and there were many German publications.

German ancestry is still the largest ethnic group in the U.S. We don't notice it because the Germans have so thoroughly assimilated and few speak German anymore. My mother's family has an English sounding surname, but I was really surprised a couple of years ago to find evidence they actually came from Germany.

40 posted on 07/17/2017 10:10:57 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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