Maybe the cop did that finger in the bag to the tip of the tongue thing...
Posted on 05/20/2017 9:02:23 PM PDT by Rusty0604
An Ohio police officer passed out and had to be treated for an emergency overdose after he merely brushed some fentanyl powder off his shirt following a drug bust. It took four doses of the opioid overdose antidote, Narcan, to revive him.
Chris Green took the normal safety precautions when he searched a car and arrested two suspects on drug charges, officials stated. However, upon returning to his station, another officer advised him he had white powder on his shirt. Without thinking about it, he brushed the dust off with his bare hand, Christian Broadcasting News (CBN) reported on Thursday.
Police chief John Lane said his officer was very lucky. “If he would have been alone, he would have been dead,” the chief said. “That’s how dangerous this stuff is. What if he went home and got it on his family members?”
“Fentanyl can kill you,” DEA Deputy Administrator Jack Riley advised in a sent out to law enforcement officers in 2015. “Fentanyl is being sold as heroin in virtually every corner of our country. It’s produced clandestinely in Mexico, and (also) comes directly from China. It is 40 to 50 times stronger than street-level heroin. A very small amount ingested, or absorbed through your skin, can kill you.”
Even more dangerous, is another new drug in the cartels’ arsenal, carfentanil. This drug is a tranquilizer that is so strong, it is designed to be used in stopping a 14,000-pound elephant. It is 10,000-times the strength of morphine and 100-times stronger than fentanyl. Police in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, seized $1 million worth of carfentanil from a home after postal workers notified them about a suspicious package. The package contained 5 grams of the hyper-dangerous drug, enough to make $1 million worth synthetic heroin, filled in 50,000 stamp bags, police reported.
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Once you have the means to save someone that is dying you can’t choose to not save them. I was just pointing out that the cartels have to love that we have a way to save them. Why wouldn’t they?
To my understanding using fentanyl and other powerful chemicals made in labs lowers the cartel’s exposure, less poppy fields, less poppy harvesters. The ones who take it then can’t go back to non-fentanyl laced heroin, they have to use laced heroin from that dealer to get high to my understanding.
About the epipens, the numbers overdosing from opioids must be much much greater than allergic people getting stung by bees.
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I think it was inhaled as a dust when he brushed it from his shirt.
I used HF in a chemistry lab. We were warned repeatedly of the dangers you described. Nasty stuff. It will even dissolve glass.
When does something like this be classified as WMD? Now, I would think. It would certainly open up more options to go after perpetrators from a military standpoint.
I cannot agree with that.
I have been in law enforcement for nearly 40 years, in one capacity or another.
I have seen the destruction of lives wrought from the illegal use of drugs.
I have also seen (and am personally aware of) the relief afforded genuinely affected people, whose lives, or in some cases, end of life, would have been horrific were it not for these drugs, administered legally and under medical supervision.
I am very much aware of the problem...enforcement is extremely difficult...there are some really, really stupid "knee jerk" laws out there that result in making it harder to enforce the few sane ones that exist.
Making a blanket statement to the effect: "drugs are bad, get rid of all drugs"...is similar to the libs mantra of "guns bad, get rid of all guns".
I am against the absolute availability of guns...as there are some people that just simply do not need a gun, should not handle one, should not be allowed access to one and anyone that argues against that is being very disingenuous and knows damn well that they are.
The same applies to these drugs.
I myself have had to use pain meds...(two total knee replacements, one shoulder reconstruction, broken femur, broken ribs, broken clavicle, broken jaw...and a few more things...not all at once, but over a period of some years), so I am intimately familiar with pain and I know it can be relieved by these drugs.
I also watched my first wife die of cancer, and while she initially refused pain management, she realized that as she transitioned to her inevitable death, she would be happier and so would her children and I, if she were able to interact with us, relatively pain-free...as she died.
But I have absolutely no sympathy for the recreational drug user.
Or the weak-willed idiots that get some Percocet or Norco for their boo-boo, from a doctor that has no idea of what he has wrought, decided they like the little bit of a "high" they got and went on to other stuff.
Nine times out of ten...they are the one's that would steal your kid's bike out of the yard or snatch your grandmothers purse, and they are definitely the one's that blame everyone else for their woes.
We cannot simply outlaw something simply because of abuse from idiots, thugs, weak-willed assholes and just plain stupid damned people.
We've been working on this problem for well over a hundred years...longer, even, when you consider the acceptance of the use of morphine and opium in common household balms and potions...some directed toward infants, for crying out loud.
But we didn't really know how to medically manage the stuff then...and even now, the stigma is such that many doctors use them as a last resort.
One hell of a conundrum...and it ain't going away.
And wholesale banning and outlawing will NOT work.
Usually it is a injection or a patch delivered.
A lot of it is ‘cooked’ like Meth and then put in Heroin or Coke. Which is why we are seeing the OD’s, and they are not out of line with the normal rates of OD, just a harder ride down. Ghost is the NEW drug showing up on the streets.
So is Kratom which is plant based like MMJ. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-12/is-kratom-a-deadly-drug-or-a-life-saving-medicine
Chronic Pain Patients are taking the fall for this ILLEGAL activity. They have incurable very painful diseases and Opioids are the only way they can control the pain and semi function. I’ve a friend who can no longer get out of bed due to ICC a bladder disease, the pain is just to debilitating.
I just threw out the 11th Peripheral Neuropathy drug for their HORRID Side effects. My Neurologist is at the end of the rope on what she can give me, I react to them all. Pain is from the L5/S1 being Physio Therapy collapsed with an Annular tear that IS NOT REPAIRABLE, nor is the torn R. Rotator cuff...to small. Live with the pain and Nerve damage of that and advanced Osteoarthritis of the R hand. My finger joints are swollen like some one with RA, and forefinger and thumb joints are turning side ways. They give me a HUGE hassle over the 20 mg Valium I take for the nerve pain over a days time. And it just lowers the pain from a 10 to a 5 on most days, it also takes care of the Meniere’s attacks, Meclizine doesn’t. 9 yrs no addiction. Just pain drop.
Lyrica and Neurotin are MORE addictive than NORCO. More SIDE EFFECTS TOO! I just use Arthritis Tylenol, as opioids do a number on shutting down the intestines, and I’ve 5 GI health issues from small to major. Diet controls some of it but not all.
They can’t treat the Osteoporosis, it’s ALL FLAGGED for A-Fib and I’ve an Enlarged Heart with a to small to fix valve, Cardio says no drugs that cause A-Fib. BTW I take K2 Complex to thin my blood, and it forces the Calcium whose shedding into your arteries causes Plaque. I don’t have any. My husband uses a standard 81 mg baby aspirin and he has Plaque in his arteries and is always cold. NOT ME.
Most Pain Patients use the PATCH form, thus is skin absorbed.
I’ve had docs tell me a patch bypasses the gut. What school of Med did they go to? If it goes in the blood stream, it goes in the GUT as blood flows in the gut. DUMB IDIOTS.
“*Right now*, the DEA is forcing doctors to wean their legitimate chronic pain sufferers off of these effective opioids, because of morons who abuse the stuff.”
Not just the DEA.
Virginia has a law, new this year, that makes it nearly impossible for a doctor to take a new pain patient. Everyone is being sent to a Pain Management center.
I have neuropathy that makes it impossible to get to sleep at night.
My doctor prescribed *one* hydrocodone each night which allows me to get six hours of sleep.
Unfortunately my doctor retired December 31, 2016.
My new doctor gave me one prescription for the hydro and sent me to a pain management specialist.
The pain doc wants me to see him every other month, an added bill I can’t afford.
He also demands I take a minimum of six drug tests yearly, my insurance will pay for one.
I stopped him there and left.
I’m looking into alternative ways to get what I need.
All because some politicians felt the need to DO SOMETHING.
Maybe the cop did that finger in the bag to the tip of the tongue thing...
I did some hazmat training at the fire college, there was one substance they said that makes your lower jaw melt, forgot what it was, sounds like it’s similar to the hydroflouric acid though.
That’s an interesting idea. More Americans are dying from these drugs now than anything else. More than Assad is accused of killing with WMD.
Several years ago we ran an unconscious person call. During attempts to ventilate him (unsuccessfully) we found 2 fentynil patches in his mouth.
He died a few weeks later because nobody found him in time.
The business that we responded to with a person who had a serious HF exposure and ended up losing his arm... was a place that treats hazardous wastes and converts them into innocuous substances that can be disposed of. The victim was someone who had many years of experience working with Hydrofluoric Acid and other chemicals that must be handled very carefully.
It reminded me of my many years working in a lumber mill. Most of the more experienced guys that I worked with were missing fingers. I chopped my fingers up pretty good once when I tried to pull out some wood debris that had stopped the machine and my fingers came into contact with a moulder side head that was still spinning. All it takes is a second of inattention and bad things can happen.
At least when you hack up a body part the damage is fairly easy for doctors to see and understand, when you have a serious chemical exposure depending on who is giving treatment... there is a good chance that they may not have a good understanding of what is taking place inside your body. If the person I referred to had received appropriate and timely treatment he most likely would not have lost his entire arm.
Good post.
I’m sorry you have so many problems. One drug that is effective without side affects is THC, but the pharmaceuticals don’t want it legalized because they would lose a lot of money.
My son has to pay hundreds to go to a pain management place too now. The honest people always have to pay the price for other’s bad behavior. I remember when you could pick up coolant for you car a/c for a few bucks. Then I guess some people used it to get high, so now you have to pay major bucks to have it legally put in.
That would make me nervous also. But, there are so many substances that are incredibly dangerous when concentrated but incredibly useful when diluted. We had a saying in HAZMAT, “The solution to pollution is dilution.” There are some substances which are still dangerous in very low concentrations, but most are not.
The police officer who collapsed and almost died in the article the thread is about was trying to rub a very concentrated substance from his uniform. If it had been a concentration of 10% of the very same substance, he most likely would have had no noticeable effects at all.
The docs went to one of the med schools to which you have not been.
The patches bypass the gut as a pathway to the blood.
I remember when paregoric was sold OTC, you just had to sign for it.
It was great for the runs and for heavy congestion.
I’m sick and tired of honest people having to pay the price for the idiots of the world.
You know, after I posted my comment, I thought back (after those endless hours spent in the dentist’s chair (Is It Safe? Is It Safe?) - it get’s hard to recollect...:-)) and googled some, and while I did discuss that HF stuff with him, the application may actually have been to the ceramic inlay prior to being fitted, rather than to the tooth itself.
Anyway, nasty stuff in concentrated form! And I have lab coat holes to prove it. LOL.
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